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I was discussing this with RKD a little while back and I think we came to the conclusion that offering Kieron the job is a no brainer.
We are currently a complete mess and who are we going to attract? It will undoubtably be another has been or probably a nearly has been.
There is not a lot of difference between Kieron, Gerrard or Lampard as punts.
Lampard and Gerrard were undoubtably more significant players than Kieron but Kieron wasn't too far behind. Kieron was absolute quality.
As we know good players don't always make good managers but we aren't exactly the pick of the crop at the moment.
Lampard went on to manage Chelsea and Gerrard is flying at Rangers.
At this time IPSWICH TOWN are languishing beneath the likes of Doncaster and Accrington Stanley.
It is quite plain that if we offered Kieron the job with Terry Butcher as a deputy they would bight our arm off. Can you imagine Accrington Stanley having a chance of Kieron and Butcher? It just wouldn't happen.
Although it's a punt we have the opportunity of having a pair of bods (nailed on taking the job) that many teams far above our current position would absolutely die for.
Or am I stoopid?
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
I completely get the logic and the sentiment but can we expect a rookie coach to run the club? We need a manager who can walk the corridors, point out what’s wrong and get it fixed. Do you see that as Butcher’s role? If ME could swallow his pride and get Milts back then perhaps it could work.
Really? Sir Alf Ramsey. Sir Bobby Robson. George Burley. All three were young blokes fiercely determined to make Ipswich Town Football Club famous. All three achieved that.
We've had the been there done it in management in and out of this place. It hasn't worked.
There won't be a single thing McCarthy or Lambert can tell or show Dyer about football that he doesn't know.
It's a no brainer and not only that it's a cheap option for Evans. Butcher and Dyer have a combined 110 caps for England. That's a scary amount of experience and contacts in different eras.
Don't forget they played for big clubs in the Champions league.
The issue with this is Evans (as Phil) says does not want to delegate and why would he bring someone in who then points out all the structural failings which require investment he does not want to provide?
It will be a Pulis/Pearson/Harris type short term stop gap.
The only way forward is a new owner and then we can appoint KD.
I don’t disagree. ME’s hands off/ hands on approach is killing us.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
There’s no way he could be any worse than Lambert. And the local boy done good angle might just save Evans from further hassle.
Also. Imagine having a manager who doesn’t make the game of football so facking difficult. Imagine having more than two shots a game. Madness! Come on KD. Let’s fooking do this. It’s time.
Really? Sir Alf Ramsey. Sir Bobby Robson. George Burley. All three were young blokes fiercely determined to make Ipswich Town Football Club famous. All three achieved that.
We've had the been there done it in management in and out of this place. It hasn't worked.
There won't be a single thing McCarthy or Lambert can tell or show Dyer about football that he doesn't know.
They all had a functioning board to run the club while they ran the team. That doesn’t exist any more.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
It's a no brainer and not only that it's a cheap option for Evans. Butcher and Dyer have a combined 110 caps for England. That's a scary amount of experience and contacts in different eras.
One of his best friends is David Manesseh, who is Jonathan Barnet’s right hand man - as in super agent Jonathan Barnett, you don’t get much more connected than that in the game before you even consider those he has in the game by having played with all the top players of his generation
Really? Sir Alf Ramsey. Sir Bobby Robson. George Burley. All three were young blokes fiercely determined to make Ipswich Town Football Club famous. All three achieved that.
We've had the been there done it in management in and out of this place. It hasn't worked.
There won't be a single thing McCarthy or Lambert can tell or show Dyer about football that he doesn't know.
Why would we want someone with no first team managerial experience at the helm in the most turbulent time in recent history?
No thanks.
Because the playing staff are there, but the club and fanbase need galvanising. KD has good coaching credentials and 'gets' ITFC. We could do a whole lot worse - and have in the past!
One of his best friends is David Manesseh, who is Jonathan Barnet’s right hand man - as in super agent Jonathan Barnett, you don’t get much more connected than that in the game before you even consider those he has in the game by having played with all the top players of his generation
Exactly this. By hook or by crook we will have a bigger pool of players to choose from and possibly from clubs wanting to do either of these a favour.
Any interview Dyer does he doesn't name drop on purpose he just seems unbelievably connected.
If you recall I pointed out that Gerrard and Lampard were more of a punt. Dyer started coaching in 2014. In that time Lampard played for Chelsea, Man City, New York City before he retired.
Kieron played under Burley, Gullit, Robson, Eriksson - as well as many others. There wouldn't be a manager in the league that could match his experience in football or hunger to succeed. He would build a foundation, be devoted to the club's values, and he would see it as the opportunity to be his life's work. He would study teams meticulously, have time for his players, and be the ideal manager for an academy player to aspire to play under.
It feels like a dream, and we could get carried away that Butcher could be alongside him and imagine it as a Sir Bobby Robson dream team. At the very least, he would undoubtedly be humble enough to heed unofficial advice from the likes of George Burley, Simon Milton etc. They would want him and Ipswich to succeed and there would be a community behind him and the club.
I agree with another poster though, this doesn't feel like the right time. Not because he isn't ready, but the situation isn't right. We won't get another shot like Dyer coming up as a potential manager again, and we need to make sure we don't waste it. For the best chance of him to succeed, it should be when his first game is coming out to the roar of the crowd. It also seems too toxic and deep rootedly broken, and needs to have the ship steadied somehow.
I'd like our next appointment to be either Cowleys, Paul Cook, or Pearson (dreamland). Hopefully whoever it is will do well, and leave the club in a better position than he found it in when he makes way for Kieron.
They all had a functioning board to run the club while they ran the team. That doesn’t exist any more.
Bobby Robson didn't have a functioning board, he had a board of functioning alcoholics.
That's probably why he did so well. When you are losing to Leicester away at half time and your chairman congratulates you because he doesn't realise that we are playing in the away strip you know that you have a bit of leeway.
Those really were the days and unfortunately it's only the elders that can really appreciate it - having said that we also hurt more right now.
I know that you youngsters will think I am an old fart but things really were actually better back in the day. Not just football but we had youth culture, Punks, Skins, Mods, Rockers, Teds etc, we all went out and fought like feck. We didn't stop in the road to ask about their opinions on Brexit and the like.
Again, and I really don't want to sound like an old fart but I genuinely worry about da yoof and the obsession with social media and the race to have their views being clapped in a sycophantic tribute to right on acceptedness.
I do apologise. I've gone off into a tangent.
I wasn't meaning to just have a go at youngsters, theres plenty of grown ups who are equally as daft.
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“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
If you recall I pointed out that Gerrard and Lampard were more of a punt. Dyer started coaching in 2014. In that time Lampard played for Chelsea, Man City, New York City before he retired.
Kieron played under Burley, Gullit, Robson, Eriksson - as well as many others. There wouldn't be a manager in the league that could match his experience in football or hunger to succeed. He would build a foundation, be devoted to the club's values, and he would see it as the opportunity to be his life's work. He would study teams meticulously, have time for his players, and be the ideal manager for an academy player to aspire to play under.
It feels like a dream, and we could get carried away that Butcher could be alongside him and imagine it as a Sir Bobby Robson dream team. At the very least, he would undoubtedly be humble enough to heed unofficial advice from the likes of George Burley, Simon Milton etc. They would want him and Ipswich to succeed and there would be a community behind him and the club.
I agree with another poster though, this doesn't feel like the right time. Not because he isn't ready, but the situation isn't right. We won't get another shot like Dyer coming up as a potential manager again, and we need to make sure we don't waste it. For the best chance of him to succeed, it should be when his first game is coming out to the roar of the crowd. It also seems too toxic and deep rootedly broken, and needs to have the ship steadied somehow.
I'd like our next appointment to be either Cowleys, Paul Cook, or Pearson (dreamland). Hopefully whoever it is will do well, and leave the club in a better position than he found it in when he makes way for Kieron.
So we agree - apart from your last paragraph.
What happens if Kieron goes to someone like Barnet and works a miracle?
Strike while the iron is hot.
At this time I don't want a Pearson or a Cook, We've tried the non Ipswich approach and it was crap,
probably it was down to circumstance but what I want (and I fully appreciate that I don't have a say in that) is a man with a blue and white scarf so tight to his neck that he is choking - at this point I'd even have Mick Mills.
We were both together at this gig at the underneath by the way
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“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Oh god, every time I see someone suggest Keiron Dyer and Terry Butcher my toes actually curl. Keiron would be dropped in at the deep end managing a squad in which half the players are demotivated and running out of contract. He will also have to manage up (Evans and O'Neill) as well as down, and he just doesn't have the experience to do that. Terry Butcher, while he remains a legend of the club as a player, was a disaster as a manager in a time before the game had moved on as much as it has over the last 5-10 years.
Bobby Robson didn't have a functioning board, he had a board of functioning alcoholics.
That's probably why he did so well. When you are losing to Leicester away at half time and your chairman congratulates you because he doesn't realise that we are playing in the away strip you know that you have a bit of leeway.
Those really were the days and unfortunately it's only the elders that can really appreciate it - having said that we also hurt more right now.
I know that you youngsters will think I am an old fart but things really were actually better back in the day. Not just football but we had youth culture, Punks, Skins, Mods, Rockers, Teds etc, we all went out and fought like feck. We didn't stop in the road to ask about their opinions on Brexit and the like.
Again, and I really don't want to sound like an old fart but I genuinely worry about da yoof and the obsession with social media and the race to have their views being clapped in a sycophantic tribute to right on acceptedness.
I do apologise. I've gone off into a tangent.
I wasn't meaning to just have a go at youngsters, theres plenty of grown ups who are equally as daft.
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You had that which was sh*t hot, I had the late 90s/early 2000s when we were decent on the pitch and I was around for the tail end of the rave scene and the whole crossover between guitar and dance music, all the indie kids were out doing Mitsubishi Turbos and dancing all night.
Oh god, every time I see someone suggest Keiron Dyer and Terry Butcher my toes actually curl. Keiron would be dropped in at the deep end managing a squad in which half the players are demotivated and running out of contract. He will also have to manage up (Evans and O'Neill) as well as down, and he just doesn't have the experience to do that. Terry Butcher, while he remains a legend of the club as a player, was a disaster as a manager in a time before the game had moved on as much as it has over the last 5-10 years.
It would be a recipe for disaster.
Although I disagree with you you actually make very valid points.
Can I ask though who you would liker to see as our next manager - being realistic
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
There is a lot to like about this notion and to a certain extent, for all the issues, there would be so little pressure on him this season. We've all accepted we're not going up this season, so there won't be too much expectation, at least initially.
However, I can't help but think of Bryan Gunn's appointment at Norwich when I think of Dyer being put in charge.
Still, the number of experienced hands that have failed here, he can't do any worse. Could he?
Although I disagree with you you actually make very valid points.
Can I ask though who you would liker to see as our next manager - being realistic
Danny Cowley, all day long. My best friend is a Lincoln supporter and we've spoken at great length about what happened there. What he and his brother did there (with the backing of the board) was nothing short of miraculous. He brought the club and the city together and crafted the players they had into an incredibly effective unit, and then gradually evolved their style of play as better players became available. As you know the attendance more than doubled from when they took over, and Lincoln are still reaping the rewards of the infrastructure they put in place.
Evans would need to sign up to the project, and if he doesn't he won't come, but I think he can really turn things around. Most other options seem to be a short term fix in my opinion.
Oh god, every time I see someone suggest Keiron Dyer and Terry Butcher my toes actually curl. Keiron would be dropped in at the deep end managing a squad in which half the players are demotivated and running out of contract. He will also have to manage up (Evans and O'Neill) as well as down, and he just doesn't have the experience to do that. Terry Butcher, while he remains a legend of the club as a player, was a disaster as a manager in a time before the game had moved on as much as it has over the last 5-10 years.
It would be a recipe for disaster.
You may have noticed things are already at disaster phase. Evans has tried the big name star (Keane ), the promoted before (Jewell), the trusty old hand (Mick), the up and coming (Hurst) and the decent a decade ago (Fraud) and only Mick succeeded.
Way past time to give a local hero a go. Literally nothing to lose
You may have noticed things are already at disaster phase. Evans has tried the big name star (Keane ), the promoted before (Jewell), the trusty old hand (Mick), the up and coming (Hurst) and the decent a decade ago (Fraud) and only Mick succeeded.
Way past time to give a local hero a go. Literally nothing to lose
I'm with Lucan 100% but doubt that Marcus Evans has the guts to do it. It really is a no brainer appoint then from now until season end nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it doesn't work appoint someone else.
Would also agree hat Simon Milton needs to be involved.
The Evans way hasn't worked and quite frankly when you look at the names being thrown out it never will..
For me Dyer needs to prove himself as a manager to show he’s serious before he should be considered, is he a bored millionaire who lives in Suffolk or a serious football manager who will graft and go work anywhere that will help him develop
Worried by how many people live in a fantasy world thinking giving him the job now would be anything other than a disaster
How many rich ex England internationals have been successful in the lower leagues Right now we need the next Chris wilder not tony Adams or Sol Campbell
Gerrard at Rangers and Lampard at derby are irrelevant as those jobs are very different to this one! Not sure i’d want lampard here either he didn’t take Derby up despite being handed the best players at that level by Chelsea in Mount and Tomouri
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