| Re Kieron etc 20:58 - Feb 18 with 7427 views | Lord_Lucan |
I was discussing this with RKD a little while back and I think we came to the conclusion that offering Kieron the job is a no brainer.
We are currently a complete mess and who are we going to attract? It will undoubtably be another has been or probably a nearly has been.
There is not a lot of difference between Kieron, Gerrard or Lampard as punts.
Lampard and Gerrard were undoubtably more significant players than Kieron but Kieron wasn't too far behind. Kieron was absolute quality.
As we know good players don't always make good managers but we aren't exactly the pick of the crop at the moment.
Lampard went on to manage Chelsea and Gerrard is flying at Rangers.
At this time IPSWICH TOWN are languishing beneath the likes of Doncaster and Accrington Stanley.
It is quite plain that if we offered Kieron the job with Terry Butcher as a deputy they would bight our arm off. Can you imagine Accrington Stanley having a chance of Kieron and Butcher? It just wouldn't happen.
Although it's a punt we have the opportunity of having a pair of bods (nailed on taking the job) that many teams far above our current position would absolutely die for.
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| Re Kieron etc on 23:29 - Feb 18 with 1659 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Re Kieron etc on 23:00 - Feb 18 by Melford |
You had that which was sh*t hot, I had the late 90s/early 2000s when we were decent on the pitch and I was around for the tail end of the rave scene and the whole crossover between guitar and dance music, all the indie kids were out doing Mitsubishi Turbos and dancing all night. |
Yeah but I don't want to break your heart further but you are 10 years out on the rave scene. I reckon it was about 1988 when this dullard found it but I actually went to very few raves because I had a weird parenthood responsibility going down at the time and throughout my daughter and RKDs birthing I gave it all a swerve in order to do the best I could..
Funnily enough I watched 24 Hour Party People again last night and analysed myself about that time and decided I was a good egg - but I did miss out on a few nights it has to be said. I remember one evening when everyone met at Copdock interchange and my Vauxhall Victor was in a substantial RTA but the other car of my mates ended up in a rave in Langham or whatever and it got busted and their boats were on the front page of The Sun.
Crazy times man, a 10 mile bumper to bumper jam on the M25 going to somewhere stupid like Chalfont St Giles was not uncommon.
Shortly I will die and I'm not really looking forward to it but man we had a hoot baby.
Oh by the way, I PM'd you about an hour ago about my copper saucepans but you haven't replied. How rude! | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 00:07 - Feb 19 with 1602 views | Illinoisblue |
| Re Kieron etc on 23:16 - Feb 18 by mrfixit426 |
I can assure you that it could get worse. |
Maybe. Stay tuned to find out |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 00:27 - Feb 19 with 1585 views | haynes_toe1 |
Id personally hate for him to takeover now.
Under an owner who doesn't care and a non existent structure in the third tier of English football. I fear his relationship with the fans could be tarnished if he fails, which any rookie manager would be odds on to do.
I dont agree he wouldn't get the job because he's not going to be 'compliant'. He wouldn't still have a job in the u23s if it were that much an issue |  | | |
| Re Kieron etc on 00:31 - Feb 19 with 1582 views | eddiespearitt03 |
All sounds great if it works out ok.
Not the right time to put former players and legends into the mix this time around. There is just too much of a mess that needs sorting out first. I would not want to see Kieron / Skuse/ Butcher/Chambers or any other former player be thrown under the bus by Evans.
We must try something new this time around. Who ever takes the job, there would certainly have to be 100% more conviction from the club owner who ever that may be.
Many of the manager names being suggested on this forum are experienced. Paul Cook, Cowley etc , but are they experienced in dealing with a Marcus Evans ? Will they endure the wrath, anger and hate of the fans like the previous managers have had to endure ? Can they produce the goods with very limited help and funding ? Will they be bold enough or allowed to release a number of players ?
Yeah, keep Kieron in the set up. It is not the right time though. | | | |
| Re Kieron etc on 00:33 - Feb 19 with 1576 views | chrismakin |
| Re Kieron etc on 00:31 - Feb 19 by eddiespearitt03 |
All sounds great if it works out ok.
Not the right time to put former players and legends into the mix this time around. There is just too much of a mess that needs sorting out first. I would not want to see Kieron / Skuse/ Butcher/Chambers or any other former player be thrown under the bus by Evans.
We must try something new this time around. Who ever takes the job, there would certainly have to be 100% more conviction from the club owner who ever that may be.
Many of the manager names being suggested on this forum are experienced. Paul Cook, Cowley etc , but are they experienced in dealing with a Marcus Evans ? Will they endure the wrath, anger and hate of the fans like the previous managers have had to endure ? Can they produce the goods with very limited help and funding ? Will they be bold enough or allowed to release a number of players ?
Yeah, keep Kieron in the set up. It is not the right time though. |
You say that but what is something new if it's not trying Dyer?
We went young with Hurst, didn't work
Managers with previous promotions, didn't work
Mr Stable Mick, didn't end up well
There isn't really a 'right way' to go with this, which ever way Evans does go will be a gamble. What it does need is a manager who understands that football is a simple game, you play the best players, in the best position and not afraid to change formations when needed. |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 00:36 - Feb 19 with 1572 views | rickw |
The thing with him already at the club is you don't have to make the decision straight away.
Sack Lambert make Dyer caretaker.
If results and performances improve give it to him until the end of the season, if they don't you appoint Cook/Cowley and Dyer goes back to the U23's to get more experience and can hopefully take over later with the club in a better place.
What's to lose? |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 00:39 - Feb 19 with 1566 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Re Kieron etc on 00:33 - Feb 19 by chrismakin |
You say that but what is something new if it's not trying Dyer?
We went young with Hurst, didn't work
Managers with previous promotions, didn't work
Mr Stable Mick, didn't end up well
There isn't really a 'right way' to go with this, which ever way Evans does go will be a gamble. What it does need is a manager who understands that football is a simple game, you play the best players, in the best position and not afraid to change formations when needed. |
We have zero chance of promotion with Lambert. Dyer and Butcher until the end of the season carries zero risk. but as I said earlier Evans doesn't have to guts to do it. |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 00:42 - Feb 19 with 1561 views | chrismakin |
| Re Kieron etc on 00:39 - Feb 19 by Pinewoodblue |
We have zero chance of promotion with Lambert. Dyer and Butcher until the end of the season carries zero risk. but as I said earlier Evans doesn't have to guts to do it. |
Exactly that, if Evans wants to take time, fine take your time, but Lambert has to go, Dyer can oversee it until such time as needed, There is no reason to keep Lambert. None [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 0:48]
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| Re Kieron etc on 07:36 - Feb 19 with 1477 views | textbackup |
wouldn't be against this in the slightest.
Would he want it, that's another question. Could kill any managerial career he wants before it even starts, and it wouldn't necessarily be his fault working under this owner.
Butcher alongside him would work, but not as his main number 2, i'd like to see someone with more experience/quality in that role. However, as you say, having Butch in there in some capacity would be great.
And from what I gather, Milton wouldn't work under ME again. |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 07:41 - Feb 19 with 1467 views | chrismakin |
| Re Kieron etc on 07:36 - Feb 19 by textbackup |
wouldn't be against this in the slightest.
Would he want it, that's another question. Could kill any managerial career he wants before it even starts, and it wouldn't necessarily be his fault working under this owner.
Butcher alongside him would work, but not as his main number 2, i'd like to see someone with more experience/quality in that role. However, as you say, having Butch in there in some capacity would be great.
And from what I gather, Milton wouldn't work under ME again. |
Dyer with Curbishley | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 07:46 - Feb 19 with 1462 views | textbackup |
| Re Kieron etc on 07:41 - Feb 19 by chrismakin |
Dyer with Curbishley |
why would you opt for a man that's been out of the game 700 years? | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 07:51 - Feb 19 with 1449 views | chrismakin |
| Re Kieron etc on 07:46 - Feb 19 by textbackup |
why would you opt for a man that's been out of the game 700 years? |
Bit of experience to lean onto, calming influence alongside him, achieved more than butcher, but the three would work well
Obv i'm just picking out a name, but someone like a Curbs would be good for Dyer rather than someone of similar age imo | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 07:53 - Feb 19 with 1443 views | textbackup |
| Re Kieron etc on 07:51 - Feb 19 by chrismakin |
Bit of experience to lean onto, calming influence alongside him, achieved more than butcher, but the three would work well
Obv i'm just picking out a name, but someone like a Curbs would be good for Dyer rather than someone of similar age imo |
dyer titus butcher, theres your 3 | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:06 - Feb 19 with 1415 views | Plums |
| Re Kieron etc on 23:13 - Feb 18 by mrfixit426 |
Danny Cowley, all day long. My best friend is a Lincoln supporter and we've spoken at great length about what happened there. What he and his brother did there (with the backing of the board) was nothing short of miraculous. He brought the club and the city together and crafted the players they had into an incredibly effective unit, and then gradually evolved their style of play as better players became available. As you know the attendance more than doubled from when they took over, and Lincoln are still reaping the rewards of the infrastructure they put in place.
Evans would need to sign up to the project, and if he doesn't he won't come, but I think he can really turn things around. Most other options seem to be a short term fix in my opinion. |
I can support this too. My mum is 84 and lives in Lincolnshire. Throughout all the years of my dad and I travelling all over the country watching Town and also going to Lincoln City on a regular basis, she showed no interest whatsoever. Until the Cowleys came along. She’s been glued to the radio on a match day ever since.
What those boys could do for the club and the lost generation of fans as well as results on the pitch makes them the right call for me. |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:08 - Feb 19 with 1401 views | TieDyedIn95 |
If he gets us to the Playoffs given everything that should be enough to give him a go full time. |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:10 - Feb 19 with 1398 views | Plums |
| Re Kieron etc on 00:39 - Feb 19 by Pinewoodblue |
We have zero chance of promotion with Lambert. Dyer and Butcher until the end of the season carries zero risk. but as I said earlier Evans doesn't have to guts to do it. |
For me it carries a big risk. If it doesn’t work, we are looking for a new manager who hasn’t worked with the squad yet is going to need to make decisions on the contracts of a large number of players. We could end up with a Hurst Version 2.0 situation and League 2 beckoning fast.
We need a permanent new manager - yesterday. If it’s KD, great, we’ll all support him but the ‘to the end of the season’ stuff scares the living daylights out of me. | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:13 - Feb 19 with 1392 views | Herbivore |
I'd be well up for Dyer, less sold on Butcher as anything other than someone wandering about shaking people's hands and talking about the glory days. I love Butch but he's not done an awful lot as a coach or manager so I don't think he has the nous to be a DoF and I'm not sure he'd make much of an assistant manager either. Dyer would need some experience around him for sure, and I imagine Butch could offer a bit of informal advice and guidance, but I'd like to see us go with an experienfed specialist DoF to oversee a lot of the off-field football side of things alongside Lee O'Neill so that Dyer can concentrate on coaching and setting up the first team. |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:15 - Feb 19 with 1387 views | mrfixit426 |
| Re Kieron etc on 07:41 - Feb 19 by chrismakin |
Dyer with Curbishley |
jesus. |  | | |
| Re Kieron etc on 08:22 - Feb 19 with 1378 views | Plums |
| Re Kieron etc on 08:13 - Feb 19 by Herbivore |
I'd be well up for Dyer, less sold on Butcher as anything other than someone wandering about shaking people's hands and talking about the glory days. I love Butch but he's not done an awful lot as a coach or manager so I don't think he has the nous to be a DoF and I'm not sure he'd make much of an assistant manager either. Dyer would need some experience around him for sure, and I imagine Butch could offer a bit of informal advice and guidance, but I'd like to see us go with an experienfed specialist DoF to oversee a lot of the off-field football side of things alongside Lee O'Neill so that Dyer can concentrate on coaching and setting up the first team. |
I’ve said it before and it’s a little left field but I’d be talking to Martin Jol about a DoF role. Knows the European games inside out, would open up the Dutch connections for us again and after the way Levy treated him at Spurs would probably feel he has something to prove in the English game. Even on a consultancy basis, if he’s still living in The Hague, he could pop across the water quite easily. | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:23 - Feb 19 with 1368 views | itfcjoe |
| Re Kieron etc on 08:22 - Feb 19 by Plums |
I’ve said it before and it’s a little left field but I’d be talking to Martin Jol about a DoF role. Knows the European games inside out, would open up the Dutch connections for us again and after the way Levy treated him at Spurs would probably feel he has something to prove in the English game. Even on a consultancy basis, if he’s still living in The Hague, he could pop across the water quite easily. |
The Dutch market is closed to us because of Brexit in reality - no one who would be coming to League 1 would accumulate enough points to get a work permit |  |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:25 - Feb 19 with 1361 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Re Kieron etc on 22:31 - Feb 18 by RKD |
If you recall I pointed out that Gerrard and Lampard were more of a punt. Dyer started coaching in 2014. In that time Lampard played for Chelsea, Man City, New York City before he retired.
Kieron played under Burley, Gullit, Robson, Eriksson - as well as many others. There wouldn't be a manager in the league that could match his experience in football or hunger to succeed. He would build a foundation, be devoted to the club's values, and he would see it as the opportunity to be his life's work. He would study teams meticulously, have time for his players, and be the ideal manager for an academy player to aspire to play under.
It feels like a dream, and we could get carried away that Butcher could be alongside him and imagine it as a Sir Bobby Robson dream team. At the very least, he would undoubtedly be humble enough to heed unofficial advice from the likes of George Burley, Simon Milton etc. They would want him and Ipswich to succeed and there would be a community behind him and the club.
I agree with another poster though, this doesn't feel like the right time. Not because he isn't ready, but the situation isn't right. We won't get another shot like Dyer coming up as a potential manager again, and we need to make sure we don't waste it. For the best chance of him to succeed, it should be when his first game is coming out to the roar of the crowd. It also seems too toxic and deep rootedly broken, and needs to have the ship steadied somehow.
I'd like our next appointment to be either Cowleys, Paul Cook, or Pearson (dreamland). Hopefully whoever it is will do well, and leave the club in a better position than he found it in when he makes way for Kieron. |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:28 - Feb 19 with 1342 views | Plums |
| Re Kieron etc on 08:23 - Feb 19 by itfcjoe |
The Dutch market is closed to us because of Brexit in reality - no one who would be coming to League 1 would accumulate enough points to get a work permit |
TBH Joe, we don’t need to sign any more players for L1, we need to shed a few. I was thinking more long-term and building a squad to push us up the Championship once we scramble back up there. | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:33 - Feb 19 with 1317 views | textbackup |
| Re Kieron etc on 08:22 - Feb 19 by Plums |
I’ve said it before and it’s a little left field but I’d be talking to Martin Jol about a DoF role. Knows the European games inside out, would open up the Dutch connections for us again and after the way Levy treated him at Spurs would probably feel he has something to prove in the English game. Even on a consultancy basis, if he’s still living in The Hague, he could pop across the water quite easily. |
when was the last time we got a player from further afield than Ireland, let alone a DOF that ME clearly has no interest in making happen. | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:45 - Feb 19 with 1294 views | chrismakin |
Kieron Dyer with John Mcgreal | |
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| Re Kieron etc on 08:45 - Feb 19 with 1293 views | Plums |
| Re Kieron etc on 08:33 - Feb 19 by textbackup |
when was the last time we got a player from further afield than Ireland, let alone a DOF that ME clearly has no interest in making happen. |
Quite but we/ ME have to think differently if this vicious spiral of decline is to be reversed. | |
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