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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug 16:58 - Mar 7 with 2419 viewshomer_123

Covid pandemic, Mr Johnson said.

No, wholly incorrect. You are 'chosing' to give as much as you and your colleagues wish.

Would anyone vote Conservative after the way the pandemic has been handled?

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 16:59 - Mar 7 with 1214 viewsJ2BLUE

We're at the double down stage now.

Give it a few days and there'll be a u-turn.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:11 - Mar 7 with 1167 viewsDarth_Koont

The Greens have said 15%. And considering the massive shortfall in the number of nurses that makes economic sense too.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:14 - Mar 7 with 1152 viewsthebooks

I’m genuinely amazed by this. Giving nurses a huge increase is easily affordable and an open goal in terms of popularity. Also sends out the right “levelling up” message.

Still, once a Tory, always a Tory.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:22 - Mar 7 with 1126 viewsBlueBadger

Reminder: we've spent roughly twice £350M per week on 'NHS' track and trace and PPE contracts for mates.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:26 - Mar 7 with 1100 viewsWD19

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:14 - Mar 7 by thebooks

I’m genuinely amazed by this. Giving nurses a huge increase is easily affordable and an open goal in terms of popularity. Also sends out the right “levelling up” message.

Still, once a Tory, always a Tory.


I think ‘easily affordable’ is a bit of a stretch, but I agree it is a very odd thing for the government to die in a ditch over right now.

For perspective, the 15% mentioned on this thread would cost an additional approx 80bn over the next decade.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:28 - Mar 7 with 1090 viewsBlueBadger

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:26 - Mar 7 by WD19

I think ‘easily affordable’ is a bit of a stretch, but I agree it is a very odd thing for the government to die in a ditch over right now.

For perspective, the 15% mentioned on this thread would cost an additional approx 80bn over the next decade.


Or, roughly 4 years of £350M a week extra.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:29 - Mar 7 with 1077 viewsthebooks

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:26 - Mar 7 by WD19

I think ‘easily affordable’ is a bit of a stretch, but I agree it is a very odd thing for the government to die in a ditch over right now.

For perspective, the 15% mentioned on this thread would cost an additional approx 80bn over the next decade.


£80bn is easily affordable over a decade [shrug].
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This chumocracy thing.... on 18:09 - Mar 7 with 990 viewsPendejo

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:22 - Mar 7 by BlueBadger

Reminder: we've spent roughly twice £350M per week on 'NHS' track and trace and PPE contracts for mates.


If it were the stockmarket, they'd get done for insider dealing wouldn't they?

Especially Hanky Panky and his local landlord.

Yet they begrudge hard working ordinary people receiving a little bit extra. Genuinely shocks me that people continue to vote for them.

(But then I vote for independent candidates, so what do I know)

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 18:15 - Mar 7 with 981 viewsBlueBadger

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 16:59 - Mar 7 by J2BLUE

We're at the double down stage now.

Give it a few days and there'll be a u-turn.


When P*z turns up to defend it, you know it'll be revoked within the next 24 hours.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 18:37 - Mar 7 with 931 views26_Paz

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 18:15 - Mar 7 by BlueBadger

When P*z turns up to defend it, you know it'll be revoked within the next 24 hours.


Little bit rude to asterisk out my name, wouldn’t you say?

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 18:47 - Mar 7 with 903 viewsDarth_Koont

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 17:29 - Mar 7 by thebooks

£80bn is easily affordable over a decade [shrug].


Indeed. Especially in the wake of a pandemic that was/still is traumatic, we’re asking NHS workers to stay in the job, keep doing more, attract new staff and probably a combination of all three.

Probably one of the best ways of spending 80 billion as an investment in our future and into the economy. Certainly compared to the hundreds of billions p!ssed away to a select few or on Brexit that we’ll never see again.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 18:50 - Mar 7 with 895 viewsBlueBadger

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 18:37 - Mar 7 by 26_Paz

Little bit rude to asterisk out my name, wouldn’t you say?


Well, we know how delicate your sensibilities are regarding use of offensive terms and names.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:27 - Mar 7 with 828 viewsLeoMuff

The reality is members of this government/cabinet are on record that privatisation of the NHS is desirable.

For this to be acceptable to the public the NHS needs to be run into the ground until not fit for purpose, only then can this be palatable to large numbers.

For this to be achieved staff wages must be kept as low as possible, services cut and underfunded, and investment kept as low as can be got away with.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:33 - Mar 7 with 811 viewsYou_Bloo_Right

All this "we can't afford any more than this" rhetoric is just that.

Agreements were in place for NHS pay increases this year prior to the pandemic and could have readily been continued with or even increased.

"But we couldn't have anticipated the pandemic and the impact it would have had on public finances". Elements of truth here of course but as that public finance impact has been unprecedented then a more radical approach might have been appropriate rather than the usual round of spending/budget cuts in the most predictable areas.

Surely one of the things that the pandemic has taught us is that the NHS is desperately under-funded and public service workers under-paid.

As a nation we have our public finance priorities wrong.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:35 - Mar 7 with 802 viewsjas0999

Agree with most. But it’s surely little surprise we can’t give folk pay rises. Covid has cost billions! We have no money!
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:39 - Mar 7 with 788 viewsthebooks

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:35 - Mar 7 by jas0999

Agree with most. But it’s surely little surprise we can’t give folk pay rises. Covid has cost billions! We have no money!


We’ve got tons of money, can print money with virtually zero risk and have never had access to borrow so much so cheaply.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:42 - Mar 7 with 780 viewsMullet

Loads of people will unfortunately because there will be those that truly believe 1000 deaths a day was unavoidable because the papers tell us so.

Think about the "Northern Powerhouse" and when you last heard it used, now it's "levelling up" which is demonstrably nonsense and basically means once again the Tories will take credit for anyone and anything that becomes a success on their watch.

There was a protest by nurses today up here, one of them has been fined £10k by GMP. I will be interested in the PR fallout from that and how much like the rules, it might invoke another U-turn and undermine messaging further.

It's telling that when Sunak is giving our money away it's branded in blue and dressed up as a gift from our Lords and masters.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:42 - Mar 7 with 774 views26_Paz

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:39 - Mar 7 by thebooks

We’ve got tons of money, can print money with virtually zero risk and have never had access to borrow so much so cheaply.


I’m not getting involved in the main topic of discussion but I would point out that we, as a country, very obviously do not have ‘tons of money’

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:47 - Mar 7 with 761 viewsfooters

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:42 - Mar 7 by 26_Paz

I’m not getting involved in the main topic of discussion but I would point out that we, as a country, very obviously do not have ‘tons of money’


Why's that, do you think?

Did you vote for a whoopsie what's made us poorer?

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:48 - Mar 7 with 761 viewsthebooks

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:33 - Mar 7 by You_Bloo_Right

All this "we can't afford any more than this" rhetoric is just that.

Agreements were in place for NHS pay increases this year prior to the pandemic and could have readily been continued with or even increased.

"But we couldn't have anticipated the pandemic and the impact it would have had on public finances". Elements of truth here of course but as that public finance impact has been unprecedented then a more radical approach might have been appropriate rather than the usual round of spending/budget cuts in the most predictable areas.

Surely one of the things that the pandemic has taught us is that the NHS is desperately under-funded and public service workers under-paid.

As a nation we have our public finance priorities wrong.


Quite. Propping up the financial system in 2008 cost over a trillion pounds in a year, and the state was able to absorb that fairly comfortably.

The only investor in town at the moment is the state, and we struggled so much with the first wave of COVID due to years of NHS underfunding. This is obviously an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone – inject some cash into the economy and start fixing the NHS.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:49 - Mar 7 with 750 viewsJ2BLUE

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:39 - Mar 7 by thebooks

We’ve got tons of money, can print money with virtually zero risk and have never had access to borrow so much so cheaply.


Can print with zero risk?

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:50 - Mar 7 with 746 views26_Paz

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:47 - Mar 7 by footers

Why's that, do you think?

Did you vote for a whoopsie what's made us poorer?


No. We’ve had to spend billions more than expected due to an unforeseen event.

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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:50 - Mar 7 with 740 viewsBlueBadger

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:35 - Mar 7 by jas0999

Agree with most. But it’s surely little surprise we can’t give folk pay rises. Covid has cost billions! We have no money!


It's mostly cost billions because we've spunked it on inflated contracts for government cronies.

Plus, we've Brexited now, we've got half an 'NHS' tack and trace extra available to spend now.
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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:51 - Mar 7 with 729 viewsSpruceMoose

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:50 - Mar 7 by 26_Paz

No. We’ve had to spend billions more than expected due to an unforeseen event.


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The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:52 - Mar 7 with 718 views26_Paz

The government is giving workers "as much as we can" in the "toug on 19:51 - Mar 7 by SpruceMoose

Brexit?


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