| Don’t shoot the messenger 09:10 - Mar 26 with 16902 views | Parky |
I have just been sent a text from somebody who has previously been spot on with info, saying that Paul Cook sent the players home Wednesday midway through training due to lack of effort and intensity.
Apparently all the players left as told, meaning the lunch that was cooked/made had to be donated to the Samaritans.
If true, slightly concerning, but fair play to Cook.
Edit - Clarified this was Wednesday, not yesterday. [Post edited 26 Mar 2021 9:33]
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:09 - Mar 26 with 2770 views | Horseboy |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:32 - Mar 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Looks as if PC is still having problems getting players out of their comfort zone. The comfort zone that results 8n individual player taking the easy, non penetrating, option when on the ball.
PC won’t stand for it...wish him luck. |
The comfort zone Hurst fell on his sword for, clean sweep required or same will be the case for Cook | | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:10 - Mar 26 with 2771 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:03 - Mar 26 by Guthrum |
Perhaps they've handled it better than we have.
It's rather different excercising and playing sport for leisure - and social - reasons than when it's a job and bubbling actually reduces your social outlets. |
It didn't help that the guidance given/programs given to the players when we went into the first lockdown were apparently embarrassing. | | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:12 - Mar 26 with 2767 views | clive_baker |
Hopefully a wakeup call for some. We've been a soft touch for too long, and is it really any surprise that we have a disengaged and disinterested squad when they're merely a reflection of the owner and management for the past 2.5 years. Lambert downed tools 12 months ago and many of the players did too.
Cook is the best thing that could happen to us right now, I just hope his enthusiasm for it doesn't wane before he has the opportunity to make the changes he needs to. We do have good footballers at the club, but there's a lack of leadership, lack of b0llocks, lack of street wise and professional players with the bit between their teeth to work hard. A lack of blokes amongst a sea of boys. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:13 - Mar 26 with 2746 views | SitfcB |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:03 - Mar 26 by Wallingford_Boy |
My point is the OP implied PC was annoyed after a poor mornings training, before lunch, but PC was talking to the media Weds AM.
Unless he spoke to them first thing for only an hour or so and got on the training pitch mid morning.. feasible I guess.
But yes, I will take the OP with a rather large pinch of salt! |
Managers presser usually around 9am I think, probably lasted 30/40 mins and then he’d have been out for the first session so.... pressers don’t take all morning.
Seeing as the OP has been backed up by someone not connected to the OP then speaks volumes. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:15 - Mar 26 with 2732 views | Guthrum |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:00 - Mar 26 by textbackup |
lambert isn't the voice any longer, the new enthusiastic passionate voice of cook has replaced that. |
To draw a military parallel, when troops have taken a beating in battle, to restore morale they must be taken out of the firing line, retrained and reinforced. It's what Montgomery* did to rebuild the 8th Army before El Alamein. It's extremely rare for things to turn around instantly and for that then to be sustained.
This week is the first chance Cook has had to do any of that, with the Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday cycle of games.
Some incoming managers can achieve a pretty instant turnaround. But that is likely to be a situation where morale is adequate but organisation has been poor. The latter can be easily and swiftly remedied. But if morale is bad, that takes time.
* and Auchinleck, to be fair. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:17 - Mar 26 with 2725 views | portmanking |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:12 - Mar 26 by clive_baker |
Hopefully a wakeup call for some. We've been a soft touch for too long, and is it really any surprise that we have a disengaged and disinterested squad when they're merely a reflection of the owner and management for the past 2.5 years. Lambert downed tools 12 months ago and many of the players did too.
Cook is the best thing that could happen to us right now, I just hope his enthusiasm for it doesn't wane before he has the opportunity to make the changes he needs to. We do have good footballers at the club, but there's a lack of leadership, lack of b0llocks, lack of street wise and professional players with the bit between their teeth to work hard. A lack of blokes amongst a sea of boys. |
I do think that Cook has the perfect storm of disengaged players and three-quarters of a squad that's out-of-contract. It gives him carte blanche to wield the axe and mould his own squad in a way that Lambert simply couldn't. Not that I'm defending PL in any way, of course.
I just feel that a blank canvas must be one of the main attractions to managing Ipswich next season (and new ownership... pretty please?) | | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:18 - Mar 26 with 2712 views | WeWereZombies |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:03 - Mar 26 by Guthrum |
Perhaps they've handled it better than we have.
It's rather different excercising and playing sport for leisure - and social - reasons than when it's a job and bubbling actually reduces your social outlets. |
They do have another social outlet; I expect that their agents are still in contact with them. The threats that they will be out on their ear come summer (which most will have heard before when Hurst came in, and I wonder who gave him instructions to do that in the interests of the business, note it was the business and not the club in those first interviews) will be tempered by reassurances that other clubs are looking at them and ready to offer contracts.
I have no 'def info' on this, only inference, but I suspect one or two of our recent departures left not because they were unwanted at Ipswich but saw that they could do better for themselves elsewhere. Player contracts are a marketplace, after all. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:18 - Mar 26 with 2703 views | Herbivore |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:00 - Mar 26 by textbackup |
lambert isn't the voice any longer, the new enthusiastic passionate voice of cook has replaced that. |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:20 - Mar 26 with 2660 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:13 - Mar 26 by SitfcB |
Managers presser usually around 9am I think, probably lasted 30/40 mins and then he’d have been out for the first session so.... pressers don’t take all morning.
Seeing as the OP has been backed up by someone not connected to the OP then speaks volumes. |
When I read it on the news page, I will believe it! |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:22 - Mar 26 with 2668 views | clive_baker |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:17 - Mar 26 by portmanking |
I do think that Cook has the perfect storm of disengaged players and three-quarters of a squad that's out-of-contract. It gives him carte blanche to wield the axe and mould his own squad in a way that Lambert simply couldn't. Not that I'm defending PL in any way, of course.
I just feel that a blank canvas must be one of the main attractions to managing Ipswich next season (and new ownership... pretty please?) |
I agree, it's the perfect storm. It's probably in part motivation, players who know they'll be off somewhere else in the summer. Also possibly there is that underlying physical fitness, we've had players come back from injuries and my impression was that Lambert and Taylor never pushed us too hard, it was that culture of acceptance and like nobody actually wanted to be here that will take a while to reverse. If Cook has come in and raised the bar in terms of expectations in training then I can think of a fair few who were probably blowing out of their ar5e. This week probably felt like a pre season for some.
Of course I hope Cook gets a tune out of us ASAP, starting tomorrow, and we go up this season, I don't prescribe to going up too soon or anything like that. But if that doesn't happen, I really hope Cook comes back in the summer all guns blazing and is as ruthless as he needs to be with the enthusiasm for it. He of course came in a year too late, but ironically in hindsight it might also have been a month or 2 too early. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:22 - Mar 26 with 2664 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:29 - Mar 26 by SitfcB |
Think he said Tuesday was the day, Wednesday must’ve been worse then, after he had done the press conference!! |
Yeah, apparently he wanted 3 intense days, but Monday killed them so they had to ease off on Tuesday. But Cook said they were going to go again on Wednesday with another intensive effort.
If Cook thinks fitness is the issue, he isn't going to fix that in 3 days. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:23 - Mar 26 with 2664 views | trncbluearmy |
Perhaps more to do with the crap, on the cheap fitness regime taking it's toll then players poor attitude or lack of effort. [Post edited 26 Mar 2021 10:24]
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:23 - Mar 26 with 2658 views | J2BLUE |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:07 - Mar 26 by Bluespeed225 |
Cook on Radio Suffolk last night said it was 'sports science advice', but after double sessions Mon/Tues they were not up to it, the intensity, on Wednesday. he did sound dissapointed, couldn't even put a 'scouse humour' spin on it. I think he knows already who's in/out this summer. |
Seems a fair point though so maybe we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Games coming thick and fast and they’d already don’t double sessions. Maybe he just felt they needed a rest.
Let’s see what happens at Wigan. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Mar 26 with 2635 views | textbackup |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:18 - Mar 26 by Herbivore |
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I was going to go into it further, but I cant really be bother to see you reply thinking you're right again, and attempt to talk down to everyone that dares go against what you say. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:27 - Mar 26 with 2594 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Mar 26 by textbackup |
I was going to go into it further, but I cant really be bother to see you reply thinking you're right again, and attempt to talk down to everyone that dares go against what you say. |
He is ALWAYS right, we are all idiots! | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:27 - Mar 26 with 2608 views | textbackup |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:15 - Mar 26 by Guthrum |
To draw a military parallel, when troops have taken a beating in battle, to restore morale they must be taken out of the firing line, retrained and reinforced. It's what Montgomery* did to rebuild the 8th Army before El Alamein. It's extremely rare for things to turn around instantly and for that then to be sustained.
This week is the first chance Cook has had to do any of that, with the Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday cycle of games.
Some incoming managers can achieve a pretty instant turnaround. But that is likely to be a situation where morale is adequate but organisation has been poor. The latter can be easily and swiftly remedied. But if morale is bad, that takes time.
* and Auchinleck, to be fair. |
I get what you are saying, but this isn't their mates being blown to pieces on the battle field, its professional footballers unable to control a ball, or being scared to shoot from 30 yards.
if moral is low they need to look at the table and wake the fck up | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:27 - Mar 26 with 2614 views | clive_baker |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:23 - Mar 26 by J2BLUE |
Seems a fair point though so maybe we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Games coming thick and fast and they’d already don’t double sessions. Maybe he just felt they needed a rest.
Let’s see what happens at Wigan. |
Bishop mentioned it after the game, come in Monday prepared to work hard. After Sat / Tues / Sat / Tues for so long and with players coming back from injury etc perhaps this week has just been too much of a shock to the system for some, after so long coasting.
If it's opened Cook's eyes a little to the scale of the job at hand then that's perhaps not a bad thing. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:28 - Mar 26 with 2599 views | Parky |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Mar 26 by textbackup |
I was going to go into it further, but I cant really be bother to see you reply thinking you're right again, and attempt to talk down to everyone that dares go against what you say. |
Apologies, fat thumbs, didn’t mean to downvote. | | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:28 - Mar 26 with 2594 views | Guthrum |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:18 - Mar 26 by WeWereZombies |
They do have another social outlet; I expect that their agents are still in contact with them. The threats that they will be out on their ear come summer (which most will have heard before when Hurst came in, and I wonder who gave him instructions to do that in the interests of the business, note it was the business and not the club in those first interviews) will be tempered by reassurances that other clubs are looking at them and ready to offer contracts.
I have no 'def info' on this, only inference, but I suspect one or two of our recent departures left not because they were unwanted at Ipswich but saw that they could do better for themselves elsewhere. Player contracts are a marketplace, after all. |
If players actually want to move elsewhere because they think it'll be a cushier number, then it is probably best to let them go. Cook has, after all, said it is a clean slate for all of them (and welcomed Jackson back into the fold).
Indeed, it is pointless them being here if not prepared to buy into the Paul Cook project. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:29 - Mar 26 with 2587 views | clive_baker |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:31 - Mar 26 by Parky |
I was told the only senior player that tried to stay was Tomas Holy, but he was also told to leave eventually. |
Classic, the Eastern European lad wants to stay and graft while the lazy English bellends head off to Jack's Cafe for a bacon butty. [Post edited 26 Mar 2021 10:32]
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:30 - Mar 26 with 2575 views | footers |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:29 - Mar 26 by clive_baker |
Classic, the Eastern European lad wants to stay and graft while the lazy English bellends head off to Jack's Cafe for a bacon butty. [Post edited 26 Mar 2021 10:32]
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Czech ;) |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:32 - Mar 26 with 2546 views | clive_baker |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:30 - Mar 26 by footers |
Czech ;) |
I Czech'd it and edited :) | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:33 - Mar 26 with 2535 views | footers |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:32 - Mar 26 by clive_baker |
I Czech'd it and edited :) |
Just had my bacon bap and all this typing is making me tired, best have a quick lie down now. Wake me up for training later, yeah?
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:35 - Mar 26 with 2527 views | Guthrum |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:27 - Mar 26 by textbackup |
I get what you are saying, but this isn't their mates being blown to pieces on the battle field, its professional footballers unable to control a ball, or being scared to shoot from 30 yards.
if moral is low they need to look at the table and wake the fck up |
It's the same psychological mechanisms, irrespective of the situation. And 'wake the fck up' is not a viable approach when it comes to dealing with mentality problems. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:38 - Mar 26 with 2505 views | noggin |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:27 - Mar 26 by Herbivore |
That's pretty embarrassing. Was that what Cook was referring to when he said the players weren't up to training as full on as he'd hoped or did this come after that? |
Why the down vote Wally? Seems pretty random. |  |
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