| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said 08:54 - Apr 27 with 14460 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
he'd "rather let the bodies pile high than have another lockdown" then surely he must resign?
I know he's got away with saying all sorts of disgusting things in the past, but with more than 127,000 deaths within 28 days of a positive test, and nearly 151,000 with Covid-19 on the death certificate, surely this is the final straw?
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:35 - Apr 27 with 704 views | footers |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:28 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
I’ll be voting Tory mate. I think you get a second vote in the London mayoral election, not sure what I’m doing with that yet. |
Can I persuade you to vote for the Socialist and Trade Unionist Coalition as your second preference? |  |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:36 - Apr 27 with 690 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:35 - Apr 27 by footers |
Can I persuade you to vote for the Socialist and Trade Unionist Coalition as your second preference? |
Probably not to be honest |  |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:36 - Apr 27 with 700 views | Herbivore |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:32 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
Re the bodies piling up comment. I’m pleased that all options were discussed. Letting the virus burn itself out was an option. It was discussed and not selected, I don’t see the issue.
Re the flat redecoration, I’m far more interested in how we will repay the billions and billions worth of debt we have incurred rather than where a few thousand for a new kitchen came from. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 11:32]
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You're trolling about people losing their lives. I bet your mother would be really proud of the man you've become. |  |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:37 - Apr 27 with 688 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:18 - Apr 27 by Swansea_Blue |
I didn't mean to trivialise the impact of those words on people who have lost loved ones. I just think that his actual actions (or lack of) that contributed to these deaths are more important than his tantrums and the stupid things he says. Absolutely it's a sickening thing to say and reflects his attitude to the whole farce. But if he hadn't dealt with it so badly we wouldn't even need to have this discussion.
I just find it strange that there is more of an outrage when he talks about bodies than when his failure of leadership actually results in unnecessary deaths. |
The thing is, his failure of leadership can be explained away (tough, unprecedented times, following the science whilst realising the need to not destroy the economy, other countries faring much worse).
These words can't be explained away, as far as I can see at the moment. | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:37 - Apr 27 with 688 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:22 - Apr 27 by Herbivore |
Most of the press is broadly pro-Tory. I think they feel they can run with this as ultimately it'll be dismissed as 'just words' but it serves to fire a shot across Johnson's bow. If they went in as hard on the incompetence shown during the pandemic, that might be harder for their readership to just shrug off and they might struggle to maintain the 'he's doing his best' narrative when their daily propaganda sheet is telling them otherwise. They want to keep Johnson on his toes, they don't want to actually damage him. |
This more obvious sign of his callousness is harder to shrug off I suppose. Anyone paying critical attention would know he doesn't care by the way he still refuses to engage with the relatives of the diseased health workers. But if it take this for the scales to fall from people's eyes, so be it.
At the end of the day I'll be happy for whatever it takes for people to see him for what he really is. Not that there haven't been enough warnings from his previous actions, colleagues, etc. |  |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:38 - Apr 27 with 672 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:36 - Apr 27 by Herbivore |
You're trolling about people losing their lives. I bet your mother would be really proud of the man you've become. |
I’m not trolling.
They looked at all the options and chose the option that would save the most lives. They didn’t do the ‘bodies piling up option’. They would have discussed the full range of responses. This particular one was not selected. The option to save the most lives possible was selected. I just don’t get all the outrage. The government have done all they can to save the most lives possible. | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:39 - Apr 27 with 678 views | gordon |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:32 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
Re the bodies piling up comment. I’m pleased that all options were discussed. Letting the virus burn itself out was an option. It was discussed and not selected, I don’t see the issue.
Re the flat redecoration, I’m far more interested in how we will repay the billions and billions worth of debt we have incurred rather than where a few thousand for a new kitchen came from. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 11:32]
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Agreed, first rule of responsible government is never rule out a genocide of your own citizens until full consideration is given. Also one of the 7 Nolan Principles of public life if memory serves. |  | | |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:39 - Apr 27 with 675 views | Herbivore |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:37 - Apr 27 by Swansea_Blue |
This more obvious sign of his callousness is harder to shrug off I suppose. Anyone paying critical attention would know he doesn't care by the way he still refuses to engage with the relatives of the diseased health workers. But if it take this for the scales to fall from people's eyes, so be it.
At the end of the day I'll be happy for whatever it takes for people to see him for what he really is. Not that there haven't been enough warnings from his previous actions, colleagues, etc. |
For what it's worth, I don't see this changing anything. The people calling it out on here were already able to see what kind of man Johnson is. You'll see from usm and Paz's contributions that they've already found ways to justify it to themselves. Those who follow Johnson follow him blindly. | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:40 - Apr 27 with 672 views | Herbivore |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:38 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
I’m not trolling.
They looked at all the options and chose the option that would save the most lives. They didn’t do the ‘bodies piling up option’. They would have discussed the full range of responses. This particular one was not selected. The option to save the most lives possible was selected. I just don’t get all the outrage. The government have done all they can to save the most lives possible. |
Obvious troll is obvious. Pretty disgusting though. | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:41 - Apr 27 with 651 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:40 - Apr 27 by Herbivore |
Obvious troll is obvious. Pretty disgusting though. |
As I said we will find out how many of the general public agree with me and how many agree with you next week. Fancy a charity bet on the outcome? | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:41 - Apr 27 with 656 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:32 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
Re the bodies piling up comment. I’m pleased that all options were discussed. Letting the virus burn itself out was an option. It was discussed and not selected, I don’t see the issue.
Re the flat redecoration, I’m far more interested in how we will repay the billions and billions worth of debt we have incurred rather than where a few thousand for a new kitchen came from. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 11:32]
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It wasn’t a fookin option that was discussed Paz. It was a foot stamping rant of a 2 year old child.
Fook knows how you can defend this bollox. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 11:46]
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:42 - Apr 27 with 650 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:32 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
Re the bodies piling up comment. I’m pleased that all options were discussed. Letting the virus burn itself out was an option. It was discussed and not selected, I don’t see the issue.
Re the flat redecoration, I’m far more interested in how we will repay the billions and billions worth of debt we have incurred rather than where a few thousand for a new kitchen came from. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 11:32]
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You don't see the issue with the PM saying "I'd rather let the bodies pile high than have another lockdown"?!?
How on earth can you blithely describe that as "discussing the options"? | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:44 - Apr 27 with 639 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:34 - Apr 27 by footers |
Jonathan Ross?! Bloody hell, Dolly, of all the examples you could have picked. |
I initially went for Barry Chuckle, but then I remembered he died. | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:45 - Apr 27 with 630 views | footers |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:44 - Apr 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I initially went for Barry Chuckle, but then I remembered he died. |
Don't worry, you can have both on my new fantasy pint thread! Rejoice! | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:47 - Apr 27 with 607 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:42 - Apr 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You don't see the issue with the PM saying "I'd rather let the bodies pile high than have another lockdown"?!?
How on earth can you blithely describe that as "discussing the options"? |
It was a full and frank discussion in what was supposed to be a private meeting | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:48 - Apr 27 with 607 views | hype313 |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:47 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
It was a full and frank discussion in what was supposed to be a private meeting |
Maybe, but do you not find those comments abhorrent? |  |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:50 - Apr 27 with 594 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:48 - Apr 27 by hype313 |
Maybe, but do you not find those comments abhorrent? |
What’s the alternative? Saying the same thing but dressing it up in nicer words? | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:51 - Apr 27 with 600 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:38 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
I’m not trolling.
They looked at all the options and chose the option that would save the most lives. They didn’t do the ‘bodies piling up option’. They would have discussed the full range of responses. This particular one was not selected. The option to save the most lives possible was selected. I just don’t get all the outrage. The government have done all they can to save the most lives possible. |
Did they bollox
- They delayed acting last March, which has been independently attributed to an estimated 20,000 extra deaths
- They delayed lockdown in September and december too, despite obvious warning and calls for this from the medical profession - leading to another estimated extra 20-30,000 deaths
- They delayed closing schools, despite clear evidence of their role is spreading the virus and even threatened to sue schools who were taking measures to protect their staff.
- They repeatedly botched the reopening of schools (they even had to be embarrassed into supporting the poorest kids by a young footballer)
- They ignored local NHS expertise in track and trace, causing the to suspend tracing as soon as it started in March 20. And it never really recovered through the summer of last year.
- They resisted calls to implement border controls and a proper quarantine programme | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:51 - Apr 27 with 599 views | hype313 |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:50 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
What’s the alternative? Saying the same thing but dressing it up in nicer words? |
Or just not saying it perhaps! | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:53 - Apr 27 with 586 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:51 - Apr 27 by hype313 |
Or just not saying it perhaps! |
Got to look at all the options | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:55 - Apr 27 with 588 views | hype313 |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:53 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
Got to look at all the options |
Clearly I'm being whooshed. | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:56 - Apr 27 with 584 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:50 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
What’s the alternative? Saying the same thing but dressing it up in nicer words? |
I dunno, maybe asking if herd immunity would work. Or maybe saying "We're not just going to let everybody die."
The phraseology he uses shows an utter disregard for the public. | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:57 - Apr 27 with 582 views | eireblue |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:53 - Apr 27 by 26_Paz |
Got to look at all the options |
Which is it Paz, a full and frank discussion where Boris was getting all shouty, or a rational consideration of options? |  | | |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:57 - Apr 27 with 569 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:51 - Apr 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Did they bollox
- They delayed acting last March, which has been independently attributed to an estimated 20,000 extra deaths
- They delayed lockdown in September and december too, despite obvious warning and calls for this from the medical profession - leading to another estimated extra 20-30,000 deaths
- They delayed closing schools, despite clear evidence of their role is spreading the virus and even threatened to sue schools who were taking measures to protect their staff.
- They repeatedly botched the reopening of schools (they even had to be embarrassed into supporting the poorest kids by a young footballer)
- They ignored local NHS expertise in track and trace, causing the to suspend tracing as soon as it started in March 20. And it never really recovered through the summer of last year.
- They resisted calls to implement border controls and a proper quarantine programme |
The response certainly wasn’t perfect but it was an unprecedented situation. As I said we will get an early view on how the public view handling of the pandemic at the local elections next week | |
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| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:58 - Apr 27 with 565 views | 26_Paz |
| Apart from any of the other scandals, if Boris really said on 11:57 - Apr 27 by eireblue |
Which is it Paz, a full and frank discussion where Boris was getting all shouty, or a rational consideration of options? |
Both really. A full discussion of all the options that contained some strained conversations and to the point phrases | |
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