| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes 16:28 - May 8 with 2750 views | Mullet |
Salford also retains a strong labour majority. In my part of Trafford the greens and Lib Dem’s took a spot on each whilst the tories only got in where the millionaires live.
After all the talk around Hartlepool and the lies Boris peddles unchallenged in places like that, I do wonder if the areas of political influence need redrawing. The divide appears far more urban vs. rural than simply class based.
Suffolk fairly returned Tory majorities I saw but the amount of seats won vs proportion of the votes where way off. That really needs addressing regardless of who leads which party doesn’t it? |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:37 - May 8 with 1868 views | Keno |
Burn ham would make a better labour leader than Starmer |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:50 - May 8 with 1836 views | Bent_double |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:37 - May 8 by Keno |
Burn ham would make a better labour leader than Starmer |
I think that's the obvious choice - assuming he wants it of course.
Timing will be important though, at the moment Labour might as well write-off the next GE and concentrate on the one after. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:52 - May 8 with 1827 views | jeera |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:50 - May 8 by Bent_double |
I think that's the obvious choice - assuming he wants it of course.
Timing will be important though, at the moment Labour might as well write-off the next GE and concentrate on the one after. |
I know what you mean.
I'd rather see the party take its time to restructure and reinvent itself than try to rush in and blow an actual opportunity with a promising candidate. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:03 - May 8 with 1784 views | positivity |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:50 - May 8 by Bent_double |
I think that's the obvious choice - assuming he wants it of course.
Timing will be important though, at the moment Labour might as well write-off the next GE and concentrate on the one after. |
a real sliding doors moment when corbyn was gifted a place in the ballot; this sidelined 2 electable leaders in burnham and cooper.
this has blessed us with 5 wasted years, brexit, boris and who knows how many extra tens of thousands of coronavirus deaths... |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:08 - May 8 with 1749 views | noggin |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:03 - May 8 by positivity |
a real sliding doors moment when corbyn was gifted a place in the ballot; this sidelined 2 electable leaders in burnham and cooper.
this has blessed us with 5 wasted years, brexit, boris and who knows how many extra tens of thousands of coronavirus deaths... |
Yeah go on, blame the covid deaths on Corbyn. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:15 - May 8 with 1718 views | positivity |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:08 - May 8 by noggin |
Yeah go on, blame the covid deaths on Corbyn. |
no, it's all on boris, but if labour had a credible candidate, we may not have had to cope with boris! | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:22 - May 8 with 1695 views | Herbivore |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:15 - May 8 by positivity |
no, it's all on boris, but if labour had a credible candidate, we may not have had to cope with boris! |
It's not like the Tories fielded a credible candidate for PM either, they went with Boris Johnson. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:36 - May 8 with 1655 views | HARRY10 |
"Fake news.....baa baa"
You'll next be telling us that Labour were not wiped out right across the country. That this was one seat lost in a constituency where 70% voted to leave the EU, and the Labour candidate was a staunch remainer.
This is the reason Labour are finished. Metropolitan liberal elites quaffing vintage champagne and not listening to the ordinary white working class man.
You'll be trying to tell us that Khan chap in London won.
That the coal mines are not going to be re-opened, and that heavy industry has not already laid down the foundations for a new factory, producing proper British steam engines.
Well you are wrong, and you will see that when the harbour is filled with local folk, and dozens on Tory MPs up from Surrey, too wave of Hartlepool's deep seas fishing fleet as it sets off to the Norwegian flords to begin the revival of the UK fishing industry - which was destroyed by the bombing of UK ports by EU Zeppelins, and the destruction of the cruise liner business by an EU submarine sinking the Lusitania ......... sunny uplands will return,as will dodgy foreigners to where they belong
......................you are not listening to us, are you ?
That's why you are wrong and that's why we voted Tory.... because you ignore what we are saying and dismiss us as being ignorant bigots | | | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:54 - May 8 with 1591 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:22 - May 8 by Herbivore |
It's not like the Tories fielded a credible candidate for PM either, they went with Boris Johnson. |
The difference being that the Tories elected an incompetent racist who had a proven track record in reaching parts other Tories couldn’t. Whereas Labour elected iPad incompetent racist who could only reach out to people who already agreed with him.
As I said yesterday. Stop worrying about the comparisons with Johnson. Concentrate on how to get a Labour to win.
Burn ham would have won in 2017 if not in 2019. He won’t win in 2024 but he’ll cut the majority and have a far better to four years later. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:56 - May 8 with 1574 views | BlueBadger |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:36 - May 8 by HARRY10 |
"Fake news.....baa baa"
You'll next be telling us that Labour were not wiped out right across the country. That this was one seat lost in a constituency where 70% voted to leave the EU, and the Labour candidate was a staunch remainer.
This is the reason Labour are finished. Metropolitan liberal elites quaffing vintage champagne and not listening to the ordinary white working class man.
You'll be trying to tell us that Khan chap in London won.
That the coal mines are not going to be re-opened, and that heavy industry has not already laid down the foundations for a new factory, producing proper British steam engines.
Well you are wrong, and you will see that when the harbour is filled with local folk, and dozens on Tory MPs up from Surrey, too wave of Hartlepool's deep seas fishing fleet as it sets off to the Norwegian flords to begin the revival of the UK fishing industry - which was destroyed by the bombing of UK ports by EU Zeppelins, and the destruction of the cruise liner business by an EU submarine sinking the Lusitania ......... sunny uplands will return,as will dodgy foreigners to where they belong
......................you are not listening to us, are you ?
That's why you are wrong and that's why we voted Tory.... because you ignore what we are saying and dismiss us as being ignorant bigots |
Go to bed dad, you're drunk. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:09 - May 8 with 1522 views | Herbivore |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:54 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The difference being that the Tories elected an incompetent racist who had a proven track record in reaching parts other Tories couldn’t. Whereas Labour elected iPad incompetent racist who could only reach out to people who already agreed with him.
As I said yesterday. Stop worrying about the comparisons with Johnson. Concentrate on how to get a Labour to win.
Burn ham would have won in 2017 if not in 2019. He won’t win in 2024 but he’ll cut the majority and have a far better to four years later. |
Don't presume to tell me what to do, Glassers. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:10 - May 8 with 1524 views | Mullet |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:37 - May 8 by Keno |
Burn ham would make a better labour leader than Starmer |
I might be wrong but I think KS could/would work with him. I suggested last year he'd make a good candidate for a PM run but it seems too soon still.
He speaks well here, if KS listens then real change might come.
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:23 - May 8 with 1484 views | J2BLUE |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:36 - May 8 by HARRY10 |
"Fake news.....baa baa"
You'll next be telling us that Labour were not wiped out right across the country. That this was one seat lost in a constituency where 70% voted to leave the EU, and the Labour candidate was a staunch remainer.
This is the reason Labour are finished. Metropolitan liberal elites quaffing vintage champagne and not listening to the ordinary white working class man.
You'll be trying to tell us that Khan chap in London won.
That the coal mines are not going to be re-opened, and that heavy industry has not already laid down the foundations for a new factory, producing proper British steam engines.
Well you are wrong, and you will see that when the harbour is filled with local folk, and dozens on Tory MPs up from Surrey, too wave of Hartlepool's deep seas fishing fleet as it sets off to the Norwegian flords to begin the revival of the UK fishing industry - which was destroyed by the bombing of UK ports by EU Zeppelins, and the destruction of the cruise liner business by an EU submarine sinking the Lusitania ......... sunny uplands will return,as will dodgy foreigners to where they belong
......................you are not listening to us, are you ?
That's why you are wrong and that's why we voted Tory.... because you ignore what we are saying and dismiss us as being ignorant bigots |
Are you suggesting smugly mocking people and their Very Real Concerns is not actually very helpful? |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:23 - May 8 with 1473 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:09 - May 8 by Herbivore |
Don't presume to tell me what to do, Glassers. |
You carry on with the “but Johnson” then. No skin off my nose. But you know how this will play out at the next election. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:25 - May 8 with 1464 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:10 - May 8 by Mullet |
I might be wrong but I think KS could/would work with him. I suggested last year he'd make a good candidate for a PM run but it seems too soon still.
He speaks well here, if KS listens then real change might come.
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“They”? | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:34 - May 8 with 1436 views | Darth_Koont |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:15 - May 8 by positivity |
no, it's all on boris, but if labour had a credible candidate, we may not have had to cope with boris! |
Like Brown, Miliband or Starmer?
Anyway, Burnham was too left-wing for Labour HQ. |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:35 - May 8 with 1428 views | Fixed_It |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 16:37 - May 8 by Keno |
Burn ham would make a better labour leader than Starmer |
I said he would have been the best leader for Labour since before 'Corbyn'. I am rarely wrong. (*Bluefish mode off) |  |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:36 - May 8 with 1412 views | MattinLondon |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:56 - May 8 by BlueBadger |
Go to bed dad, you're drunk. |
My history is a tad hazy but I’m pretty sure that the Zeppelins predate the EU by several decades. |  | | |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:38 - May 8 with 1394 views | XYZ |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:25 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
“They”? |
The leadership of the national party of which he is not a part, obviously.
Basics of the english language I'd have thought. | | | |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:39 - May 8 with 1381 views | Darth_Koont |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 17:54 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The difference being that the Tories elected an incompetent racist who had a proven track record in reaching parts other Tories couldn’t. Whereas Labour elected iPad incompetent racist who could only reach out to people who already agreed with him.
As I said yesterday. Stop worrying about the comparisons with Johnson. Concentrate on how to get a Labour to win.
Burn ham would have won in 2017 if not in 2019. He won’t win in 2024 but he’ll cut the majority and have a far better to four years later. |
Please can you stop with the smeary accusations?
Corbyn isn’t a racist. And it seems that having a vision for the country is a lot more competent than not.
https://simonmaginn.medium.com/top-ten-labour-antisemitism-smears-f729646378e6 | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:42 - May 8 with 1360 views | positivity |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:34 - May 8 by Darth_Koont |
Like Brown, Miliband or Starmer?
Anyway, Burnham was too left-wing for Labour HQ. |
they'd have all performed a massive amount better in the brexit vote than corbyn.
no brexit, no boris.
burnham was seen as the labour hq choice; was never too left-wing for shadow/cabinet roles | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:44 - May 8 with 1347 views | BlueBadger |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:23 - May 8 by J2BLUE |
Are you suggesting smugly mocking people and their Very Real Concerns is not actually very helpful? |
People's Very Real Concerns are the reason we're in this fooking mess. | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 19:36 - May 8 with 1210 views | Herbivore |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 18:23 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
You carry on with the “but Johnson” then. No skin off my nose. But you know how this will play out at the next election. |
You do realise that me posting a view on a forum has nothing to do with the direction of a Labour Party I'm not even a member of? | |
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| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 19:41 - May 8 with 1183 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andy Burnham re-election with 70% of the votes on 19:36 - May 8 by Herbivore |
You do realise that me posting a view on a forum has nothing to do with the direction of a Labour Party I'm not even a member of? |
But if you are representative of left wing thinking across the country then it does matter.
Expecting normal rules to apply to Boris Johnson is naïve. And complaining that it isn't fair that the same rules don't apply to Politian x,y or z is counterproductive.
I've no skin in the game. Just making an observation. | |
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