| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) 15:40 - May 10 with 7747 views | itfcjoe |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:53 - May 10 with 1689 views | hype313 |
Finally we have some business acumen at the club. |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:53 - May 10 with 1689 views | chrismakin |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:48 - May 10 by Kieran_Knows |
The only issue this time around is he's off the back of a pretty poor season - injury and form - and I doubt we'd get anywhere near the £1m which was offered.
I imagine we may get something around £500k for him, which I suppose is better than nothing. |
covers 2 league 1 players salary for a year.... |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:54 - May 10 with 1667 views | gordon |
Season-long loan for Donacien back to Accrington next year then, where he'll hit a last minute 30-yarder against us to deny us automatic promotion or something. |  | | |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:56 - May 10 with 1630 views | positivity |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:52 - May 10 by itfcjoe |
We need better as a back up to KVY, if KVy can't stay fir then we can't survice with Donacien - he doesn't attack and that is what Cook is about.
He couldn't get near it ahead of a 35 year old Chambers this season, if he is still here next season I'll be disappointed |
donacien couldn't get in with lambert in charge, lambert thought he was a centre-back (because this is what he was as an 18 year old at villa!). cook hasn't had a chance to pick him
cook will have watched his games at fleetwood, so if he stays on, he must've seen something he liked. |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:57 - May 10 with 1623 views | ShropshireBluenago09 |
Jackson, with service, in a better team, will be an asset. As will Donacien now that Chambo has gone. |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:57 - May 10 with 1617 views | wkj |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:52 - May 10 by itfcjoe |
We need better as a back up to KVY, if KVy can't stay fir then we can't survice with Donacien - he doesn't attack and that is what Cook is about.
He couldn't get near it ahead of a 35 year old Chambers this season, if he is still here next season I'll be disappointed |
We'll 'av to wait and see. Clearly cook feels he can get something out of him- whether that is a fee or a performance remains to be seen. |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:57 - May 10 with 1599 views | pointofblue |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:54 - May 10 by gordon |
Season-long loan for Donacien back to Accrington next year then, where he'll hit a last minute 30-yarder against us to deny us automatic promotion or something. |
To be picky, he won’t play against us if we loan him out - he missed yesterday’s match because of that. [Post edited 10 May 2021 16:02]
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:59 - May 10 with 1568 views | chrismakin |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:57 - May 10 by wkj |
We'll 'av to wait and see. Clearly cook feels he can get something out of him- whether that is a fee or a performance remains to be seen. |
Or, fleetwood want him, we don't him to go for free, they offer a minimal fee, we accept
Or PC want's to look at him etc
no one knows, either way it makes sense rather than just letting him go for 0 at this moment in time | |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 15:59 - May 10 with 1559 views | BlueBlood90 |
Both make total sense to me.
Donacien is more than adequate back up for KVY and has a lot of experience in this league. One position that's actually in place ready to go next season done on day one.
I'm sure somebody will be prepared to pay a small fee for Jackson. I remember Peterborough wanting him when we signed him so they could be a possibility. Knowing Peterborough they would somehow turn him into a 20 goal £15m striker. |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:01 - May 10 with 1529 views | clive_baker |
Donacien I don't really understand. What we paid for him is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost and we're not getting it back in a month of Sundays. Maybe Cook is working on the basis that that he's not had a chance to see him yet.
Jackson makes more sense, he's 27 and there's potentially some resale value there, although it's a bit risky if that is the logic. In a summer that promises to see a lot of players out of contract across the game, I would question which clubs are in the market to pay decent transfer fees for someone like Jackson. I would've been tempted to cut our losses and move on, especially if Cook is set on 1 up front. |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:03 - May 10 with 1477 views | wkj |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:01 - May 10 by clive_baker |
Donacien I don't really understand. What we paid for him is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost and we're not getting it back in a month of Sundays. Maybe Cook is working on the basis that that he's not had a chance to see him yet.
Jackson makes more sense, he's 27 and there's potentially some resale value there, although it's a bit risky if that is the logic. In a summer that promises to see a lot of players out of contract across the game, I would question which clubs are in the market to pay decent transfer fees for someone like Jackson. I would've been tempted to cut our losses and move on, especially if Cook is set on 1 up front. |
You can rest assured that Cook has probably spent fair time watching footage on Janoi to get an idea for him. Im sure as a manager coming into a club, there is a buzz about the chance of making a player out of someone the last regime didn't have faith in. | |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:03 - May 10 with 1478 views | chrismakin |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:01 - May 10 by clive_baker |
Donacien I don't really understand. What we paid for him is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost and we're not getting it back in a month of Sundays. Maybe Cook is working on the basis that that he's not had a chance to see him yet.
Jackson makes more sense, he's 27 and there's potentially some resale value there, although it's a bit risky if that is the logic. In a summer that promises to see a lot of players out of contract across the game, I would question which clubs are in the market to pay decent transfer fees for someone like Jackson. I would've been tempted to cut our losses and move on, especially if Cook is set on 1 up front. |
There will always be a side out there looking for a 'fast' striker, who don't forget did score a fair few goals last season. He won't work here with our formation, but there will be teams interested.
Donacien, we've already learnt that he is wanted by a fellow league 1 side, makes no sense to cut our losses, we either take a fee for him, or PC looks at him further, worst case, we send him on loan again. [Post edited 10 May 2021 16:07]
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:07 - May 10 with 1414 views | portmanking |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:01 - May 10 by clive_baker |
Donacien I don't really understand. What we paid for him is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost and we're not getting it back in a month of Sundays. Maybe Cook is working on the basis that that he's not had a chance to see him yet.
Jackson makes more sense, he's 27 and there's potentially some resale value there, although it's a bit risky if that is the logic. In a summer that promises to see a lot of players out of contract across the game, I would question which clubs are in the market to pay decent transfer fees for someone like Jackson. I would've been tempted to cut our losses and move on, especially if Cook is set on 1 up front. |
This is what I don't quite understand either. It's sunk cost on both Donacien and Jackson. It's not an outlay that the new owners had to fork out either. They can afford to take the hit and let them go. Puzzling to say the least. | | | |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:10 - May 10 with 1388 views | chrismakin |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:07 - May 10 by portmanking |
This is what I don't quite understand either. It's sunk cost on both Donacien and Jackson. It's not an outlay that the new owners had to fork out either. They can afford to take the hit and let them go. Puzzling to say the least. |
Look at it the otherside, new owners didn't pay out for them to begin with yet could get money in for them no matter how small... Immediate profit on both. | |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:11 - May 10 with 1377 views | MB26 |
We know exactly what both offer which is little to nothing. Don't get this at all unless like others have suggested it is to sell. Maybe we can offload Donacien in a player plus cash deal.
Yes, Donacien is cover but he offers nothing going forward so what's the use. I'm sure Connolly could cover at right back and offer more. Jackson has had his chance unless Cook can somehow utilize him as a winger to put his "pace" to go use that's the only role I see for him.
Hopefully we can offload both for a nominal fee rather than out the door for nowt. [Post edited 10 May 2021 16:12]
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:13 - May 10 with 1344 views | SaigonTractor |
Seems clear that Donacien is being retained as backup for KVY. Had a decent loan by all accounts, no reason to get rid of players for the sake of it.
Jackson I guess they're hoping to get a fee for. |  | | |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:15 - May 10 with 1324 views | chrismakin |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:11 - May 10 by MB26 |
We know exactly what both offer which is little to nothing. Don't get this at all unless like others have suggested it is to sell. Maybe we can offload Donacien in a player plus cash deal.
Yes, Donacien is cover but he offers nothing going forward so what's the use. I'm sure Connolly could cover at right back and offer more. Jackson has had his chance unless Cook can somehow utilize him as a winger to put his "pace" to go use that's the only role I see for him.
Hopefully we can offload both for a nominal fee rather than out the door for nowt. [Post edited 10 May 2021 16:12]
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Weren't we linked to a fleetwood player? Could be the player swap possability you mention. | |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:15 - May 10 with 1328 views | itfcjoe |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:01 - May 10 by clive_baker |
Donacien I don't really understand. What we paid for him is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost and we're not getting it back in a month of Sundays. Maybe Cook is working on the basis that that he's not had a chance to see him yet.
Jackson makes more sense, he's 27 and there's potentially some resale value there, although it's a bit risky if that is the logic. In a summer that promises to see a lot of players out of contract across the game, I would question which clubs are in the market to pay decent transfer fees for someone like Jackson. I would've been tempted to cut our losses and move on, especially if Cook is set on 1 up front. |
Agree on both counts - we allegedly had £1m on table for Jackson in summer, £500k in January....what will it be know with like you say 100s of players available at reduced wages on free transfers?
Donacien doesn't cut it as an attacking full back and they are key to how Cook plays, is he ssen as a back up CB? Who knows, but for me if he is still here next season then doubt we'll see much of him as he's not up to it | |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:20 - May 10 with 1247 views | MaySixth |
presumably to get a fee this summer |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:25 - May 10 with 1206 views | portmanking |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:15 - May 10 by itfcjoe |
Agree on both counts - we allegedly had £1m on table for Jackson in summer, £500k in January....what will it be know with like you say 100s of players available at reduced wages on free transfers?
Donacien doesn't cut it as an attacking full back and they are key to how Cook plays, is he ssen as a back up CB? Who knows, but for me if he is still here next season then doubt we'll see much of him as he's not up to it |
I did also wonder whether Donacien is being viewed as a CB back-up rather than full back in Cook's system. | | | |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:27 - May 10 with 1183 views | Herbivore |
Surprised by this. Less so by Donacien as I can understand Cook wanting to take a look at him. He's versatile so offers cover across the back 4 and he does get up and down pretty well even if his quality on the ball is, shall we say, patchy.
Jackson is the bigger surprise for me. Unless Cook is planning on investing some serious time and energy into trying to convert Jackson into an effective wide forward then I don't see the value in keeping him here. Playing as a lone striker doesn't suit him at all, and much as I've defended Jackson in the past he's been awful this year (albeit he's not really had a run of games with injuries and lack of form). I really can't see anyone paying enough of a fee to cover the costs associated with selling him, so this really looks like a strange one. |  |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:27 - May 10 with 1181 views | clive_baker |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:15 - May 10 by itfcjoe |
Agree on both counts - we allegedly had £1m on table for Jackson in summer, £500k in January....what will it be know with like you say 100s of players available at reduced wages on free transfers?
Donacien doesn't cut it as an attacking full back and they are key to how Cook plays, is he ssen as a back up CB? Who knows, but for me if he is still here next season then doubt we'll see much of him as he's not up to it |
Indeed. The whole what we paid for them or what they might be worth isn't relevant, as they're all sunk costs and their alternatives might also have resale value. Ultimately the past is the past, and the only question is where is the best place to invest what must be close to £500k p/a of wages for next season. When you factor in avoidance of signing on fees / agents fees and what not it might well be that keeping them on is cost effective, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if both spend next season with us and play very little football. | |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:27 - May 10 with 1175 views | billlm |
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| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:31 - May 10 with 1154 views | JakeITFC |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:27 - May 10 by clive_baker |
Indeed. The whole what we paid for them or what they might be worth isn't relevant, as they're all sunk costs and their alternatives might also have resale value. Ultimately the past is the past, and the only question is where is the best place to invest what must be close to £500k p/a of wages for next season. When you factor in avoidance of signing on fees / agents fees and what not it might well be that keeping them on is cost effective, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if both spend next season with us and play very little football. |
The ongoing value of the asset is of crucial importance - if Jackson was worth £2m with one year left on his deal (in Covid-19 times) it would be madness to assume he is worth £0 now. |  | | |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:33 - May 10 with 1132 views | chrismakin |
| Jackson and Donacien staying! (n/t) on 16:31 - May 10 by JakeITFC |
The ongoing value of the asset is of crucial importance - if Jackson was worth £2m with one year left on his deal (in Covid-19 times) it would be madness to assume he is worth £0 now. |
Especially when people say we shouldn't sign someone off the back of 1 good season. Why discard someone after 1 bad season. | |
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