| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... 11:37 - May 27 with 6686 views | Kieran_Knows |
... according to EADT.
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:32 - May 27 with 2121 views | StokieBlue |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:21 - May 27 by itfcjoe |
Not overly, I just find the black and white-ness of some fan reaction bizarre.
Just think we have gone so far OTT with the approach taken to the existing players |
The is definitely something in that, however I guess many would counter with the argument that a lot of the players have consistently underperformed under 3 managers. Either that or they are performing to their ability and they aren't good enough.
That clearly doesn't apply to all players but is easy to see how some make that case. I certainly think we should be keeping the likes of Downes, Dozzell and Wolfie if possible as in a good side I think they would do well. I am still not convinced they will all leave.
However if we look at Bishop, many love him as he's an academy product but is he actually that good? He had a few good games at the start of the season then didn't really contribute too much (in my opinion) and now the main takers seem to be Cambridge. If he was great wouldn't there be far better clubs all over him?
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:32 - May 27 with 2121 views | LankHenners |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:14 - May 27 by itfcjoe |
It doesn't seem to matter any more - every player we have is terrible so any replacement is therefore better |
Long way to go and all that, plus it’s not as if there aren’t going to be good players released/available from league one clubs, but it’s hard not to have some concern that we’re going to have the Bradley situation repeated multiple times and then moving onto these types of players who are *fine* but aren’t any better than what we have and have a lower ceiling.
And yes, there’s a sense this could be Hurst’s summer again where every decision is cheered on regardless of how much sense it makes. |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:42 - May 27 with 2075 views | Bontcho1983 |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:21 - May 27 by itfcjoe |
Not overly, I just find the black and white-ness of some fan reaction bizarre.
Just think we have gone so far OTT with the approach taken to the existing players |
Most people are fairly balanced on players, twitter and facebook aside, there are a few that have ability and should stay but for some people to look at Wyke as not being an upgrade over what we have here as not black and white then i dont know what is? |  | | |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:44 - May 27 with 2070 views | BryanPlug |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:46 - May 27 with 2058 views | portmanking |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:32 - May 27 by StokieBlue |
The is definitely something in that, however I guess many would counter with the argument that a lot of the players have consistently underperformed under 3 managers. Either that or they are performing to their ability and they aren't good enough.
That clearly doesn't apply to all players but is easy to see how some make that case. I certainly think we should be keeping the likes of Downes, Dozzell and Wolfie if possible as in a good side I think they would do well. I am still not convinced they will all leave.
However if we look at Bishop, many love him as he's an academy product but is he actually that good? He had a few good games at the start of the season then didn't really contribute too much (in my opinion) and now the main takers seem to be Cambridge. If he was great wouldn't there be far better clubs all over him?
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Hasn't Joe already stated that he's less fussed about how good the players are and just wants to have an "Ipswich connection" in the squad? Pretty sure he said that a few weeks ago, which I certainly raised my eyebrows at.
IMO, we need to put sentiment aside and in the cold light of day, many of these players simply haven't delivered - for various reasons. [Post edited 27 May 2021 13:46]
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:47 - May 27 with 2055 views | JDB23 |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:32 - May 27 by LankHenners |
Long way to go and all that, plus it’s not as if there aren’t going to be good players released/available from league one clubs, but it’s hard not to have some concern that we’re going to have the Bradley situation repeated multiple times and then moving onto these types of players who are *fine* but aren’t any better than what we have and have a lower ceiling.
And yes, there’s a sense this could be Hurst’s summer again where every decision is cheered on regardless of how much sense it makes. |
I think that’s a bit of a stretch, I remember plenty of concerns around what Hurst was doing at the time. I think people were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but I don’t think things like selling Garner so late or replacing Waghorn with Jackson/Harrison were “cheered on”.
There have been some legitimate concerns raised, however I think it’s reasonable to say this Ipswich team is one of if not the worst in our history. Unlike Hurt’s destruction, I’m not sure there’s much scope for us to get significantly worse (famous last words). | | | |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:56 - May 27 with 2024 views | JimmyJazz |
Hawkes is a highly rated youngster - a bit like Dobra with us?
Wyke - if he's just had a Daryl Murphy season are you saying you wouldn't have liked to have had DM for another 2 years afterwards? |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:05 - May 27 with 1990 views | itfcjoe |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:32 - May 27 by StokieBlue |
The is definitely something in that, however I guess many would counter with the argument that a lot of the players have consistently underperformed under 3 managers. Either that or they are performing to their ability and they aren't good enough.
That clearly doesn't apply to all players but is easy to see how some make that case. I certainly think we should be keeping the likes of Downes, Dozzell and Wolfie if possible as in a good side I think they would do well. I am still not convinced they will all leave.
However if we look at Bishop, many love him as he's an academy product but is he actually that good? He had a few good games at the start of the season then didn't really contribute too much (in my opinion) and now the main takers seem to be Cambridge. If he was great wouldn't there be far better clubs all over him?
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There's nothing in the Cambridge link from what I hear, and think Bishop will be one of a number who ends up at a club that finished higher up the pyramid than us last season.
If we'd have just let all those out of contract go last season - we'd be in a situation like this:
GK
Holy
Cornell
RB
Vincent Young
LB
Kenlock
CB
Woolfenden
Ndaba
CMs
Nolan
Downes
Dozzell
McGavin
AMs
Lankester
Dobra
FWs
Norwood
Hawkins
14 or so senior players, able to transfer list 4-5 of them and bring in 10 of Cooks guys and that is a massive squad overhaul and a refresh of squad.
I think nearly everyone in that list above, a case can be argued has performed well enough to be retained at one point and also there are 4-5 that noone would be worried if we lost.
I think the 'not performing under 3 managers' thing is a bit harsh. Hurst was here for a few weeks and did so much damage, Lambert just was a disaster as a manager from about Decemebr 2019 and had checked iut well before the end.....and Cook came into a squad that just didn't have the fitness to play the way he wanted them to.
That's not to say we should've kept Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Wilson, etc - an overhaul was needed - but we seem to be using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and doing it such a backwards way in some places.
Pre season training starts in 4 weeks - there is so much to do before then. |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:11 - May 27 with 1961 views | SaigonTractor |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:56 - May 27 by JimmyJazz |
Hawkes is a highly rated youngster - a bit like Dobra with us?
Wyke - if he's just had a Daryl Murphy season are you saying you wouldn't have liked to have had DM for another 2 years afterwards? |
Yeah I don't understand all the people likening Wyke to Murphy like that would be a bad thing. Some players clearly take a while to find their form, especially in the lower leagues. |  | | |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:12 - May 27 with 1956 views | JDB23 |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:05 - May 27 by itfcjoe |
There's nothing in the Cambridge link from what I hear, and think Bishop will be one of a number who ends up at a club that finished higher up the pyramid than us last season.
If we'd have just let all those out of contract go last season - we'd be in a situation like this:
GK
Holy
Cornell
RB
Vincent Young
LB
Kenlock
CB
Woolfenden
Ndaba
CMs
Nolan
Downes
Dozzell
McGavin
AMs
Lankester
Dobra
FWs
Norwood
Hawkins
14 or so senior players, able to transfer list 4-5 of them and bring in 10 of Cooks guys and that is a massive squad overhaul and a refresh of squad.
I think nearly everyone in that list above, a case can be argued has performed well enough to be retained at one point and also there are 4-5 that noone would be worried if we lost.
I think the 'not performing under 3 managers' thing is a bit harsh. Hurst was here for a few weeks and did so much damage, Lambert just was a disaster as a manager from about Decemebr 2019 and had checked iut well before the end.....and Cook came into a squad that just didn't have the fitness to play the way he wanted them to.
That's not to say we should've kept Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Wilson, etc - an overhaul was needed - but we seem to be using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and doing it such a backwards way in some places.
Pre season training starts in 4 weeks - there is so much to do before then. |
Those players are currently still at the club though, as well as Drinan, Nsiala, Donacien, El Miz etc, and potentially Edwards.
I’m sure we’ll see more of them leave over the coming weeks but until they all go it’s just speculation as to whether Cook genuinely wants to ditch them all. | | | |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:15 - May 27 with 1935 views | StokieBlue |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:05 - May 27 by itfcjoe |
There's nothing in the Cambridge link from what I hear, and think Bishop will be one of a number who ends up at a club that finished higher up the pyramid than us last season.
If we'd have just let all those out of contract go last season - we'd be in a situation like this:
GK
Holy
Cornell
RB
Vincent Young
LB
Kenlock
CB
Woolfenden
Ndaba
CMs
Nolan
Downes
Dozzell
McGavin
AMs
Lankester
Dobra
FWs
Norwood
Hawkins
14 or so senior players, able to transfer list 4-5 of them and bring in 10 of Cooks guys and that is a massive squad overhaul and a refresh of squad.
I think nearly everyone in that list above, a case can be argued has performed well enough to be retained at one point and also there are 4-5 that noone would be worried if we lost.
I think the 'not performing under 3 managers' thing is a bit harsh. Hurst was here for a few weeks and did so much damage, Lambert just was a disaster as a manager from about Decemebr 2019 and had checked iut well before the end.....and Cook came into a squad that just didn't have the fitness to play the way he wanted them to.
That's not to say we should've kept Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Wilson, etc - an overhaul was needed - but we seem to be using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and doing it such a backwards way in some places.
Pre season training starts in 4 weeks - there is so much to do before then. |
Fair enough, I guess we will see where we are in a months time.
I still don't see what Bishop has shown at nearly 25 that would get him a position at a club further up the pyramid. I suspect if we had bought him as a promising 21 year old then the feelings around him would be a bit different.
With regards to the players listed, most are still here at the moment, it's possible some might still be here in a months time as well. Some of the messaging could have perhaps been better though.
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:27 - May 27 with 1892 views | LankHenners |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 13:47 - May 27 by JDB23 |
I think that’s a bit of a stretch, I remember plenty of concerns around what Hurst was doing at the time. I think people were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but I don’t think things like selling Garner so late or replacing Waghorn with Jackson/Harrison were “cheered on”.
There have been some legitimate concerns raised, however I think it’s reasonable to say this Ipswich team is one of if not the worst in our history. Unlike Hurt’s destruction, I’m not sure there’s much scope for us to get significantly worse (famous last words). |
There was lots of excitement at the prospect of selling players off to bring more in. Like this time, those concerned about it all appear firmly in the minority. I’m not talking about similar levels of destruction, purely fan reaction to what looks like flawed decision making by the club. | |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:29 - May 27 with 1880 views | hype313 |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:05 - May 27 by itfcjoe |
There's nothing in the Cambridge link from what I hear, and think Bishop will be one of a number who ends up at a club that finished higher up the pyramid than us last season.
If we'd have just let all those out of contract go last season - we'd be in a situation like this:
GK
Holy
Cornell
RB
Vincent Young
LB
Kenlock
CB
Woolfenden
Ndaba
CMs
Nolan
Downes
Dozzell
McGavin
AMs
Lankester
Dobra
FWs
Norwood
Hawkins
14 or so senior players, able to transfer list 4-5 of them and bring in 10 of Cooks guys and that is a massive squad overhaul and a refresh of squad.
I think nearly everyone in that list above, a case can be argued has performed well enough to be retained at one point and also there are 4-5 that noone would be worried if we lost.
I think the 'not performing under 3 managers' thing is a bit harsh. Hurst was here for a few weeks and did so much damage, Lambert just was a disaster as a manager from about Decemebr 2019 and had checked iut well before the end.....and Cook came into a squad that just didn't have the fitness to play the way he wanted them to.
That's not to say we should've kept Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Wilson, etc - an overhaul was needed - but we seem to be using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and doing it such a backwards way in some places.
Pre season training starts in 4 weeks - there is so much to do before then. |
Blackpool and Lincoln both overhauled their squads last season and didn't do them any harm.
But, I would say that Cook has thrown the baby out with the bathwater somewhat by telling everyone they can go, others have said it's mind games, I'm not so sure about that I just think if he's going to live and die by his sword then he will want people in he can trust.
Time will only tell if this works out to be a masterstroke or a Hurst 2.0 |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:32 - May 27 with 1871 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:15 - May 27 by StokieBlue |
Fair enough, I guess we will see where we are in a months time.
I still don't see what Bishop has shown at nearly 25 that would get him a position at a club further up the pyramid. I suspect if we had bought him as a promising 21 year old then the feelings around him would be a bit different.
With regards to the players listed, most are still here at the moment, it's possible some might still be here in a months time as well. Some of the messaging could have perhaps been better though.
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I wonder if Mick might take a cheap punt on Bishop. | | | |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:33 - May 27 with 1869 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:29 - May 27 by hype313 |
Blackpool and Lincoln both overhauled their squads last season and didn't do them any harm.
But, I would say that Cook has thrown the baby out with the bathwater somewhat by telling everyone they can go, others have said it's mind games, I'm not so sure about that I just think if he's going to live and die by his sword then he will want people in he can trust.
Time will only tell if this works out to be a masterstroke or a Hurst 2.0 |
I think it could all unravel before the first game of the season (and I'm really not trying to be defeatist on it). Even if he does want to work with a smaller squad (say 20) and there is only, lets say 6 he wants to keep, that is still 14 players we've got to get in the building.
We've still got to get rid of a hell of a lot of them, of which I would say most of them will be here for the first day of pre-season.
It's either going to be a master-stroke or a horror show. | |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:35 - May 27 with 1852 views | Herbivore |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:32 - May 27 by tractorboy1978 |
I wonder if Mick might take a cheap punt on Bishop. |
I wouldn't be surprised if he did come in for one or two of the academy players. He knows what they can do and he got a tune out of them at different times. |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:48 - May 27 with 1807 views | Steve_M |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:27 - May 27 by LankHenners |
There was lots of excitement at the prospect of selling players off to bring more in. Like this time, those concerned about it all appear firmly in the minority. I’m not talking about similar levels of destruction, purely fan reaction to what looks like flawed decision making by the club. |
Yes, mainly this. Although I don't disagree with JBD that there was some challenge to the decision making, the prevailing view was all was going to be much better "Why do we need Championship experience?".
As much as anything else, it just feels such a very defensive thing for Cook to have done, clearly showing that he feels a bit of pressure after 19 points from 16 games. Maybe no one will care if we get off to a good start but.... |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 15:18 - May 27 with 1734 views | Beckets |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 14:33 - May 27 by Kieran_Knows |
I think it could all unravel before the first game of the season (and I'm really not trying to be defeatist on it). Even if he does want to work with a smaller squad (say 20) and there is only, lets say 6 he wants to keep, that is still 14 players we've got to get in the building.
We've still got to get rid of a hell of a lot of them, of which I would say most of them will be here for the first day of pre-season.
It's either going to be a master-stroke or a horror show. |
If it’s even close to a horror show Cook will be gone by Christmas. I’m sure we won’t see the prevarication by the new ownership that Evans showed. |  | | |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 15:33 - May 27 with 1701 views | BlueWorldOrder |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 11:46 - May 27 by SaigonTractor |
Managing to lure Wyke from Sunderland would be a heck of a statement. The article does mention that he seems open to a move away. |
Let's hope so - although Sunderland weren't really any better than us last season overall. Had we kept our squad in tact and added these players I would have felt more confident with the likes of Jackson moving on. No doubt if they don't sign I will be accused of making this up by some of the Cook brigade. |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 15:55 - May 27 with 1666 views | rickw |
Just reading Sunderland's fans thoughts on this.
They think we'll get Power, Wyke will likely go to Middlesbrough and when Hawkes leaves he'll go to the Prem.
Most don't seem to rate Wyke, they think he's a big lump with a poor touch who can only score tap ins....
They don't like Power either, they think he's a hard worker but makes poor decisions like shooting from 40 yards when other players in better positions free.
They seem to really rate Hawkes though, strange why he's the one not been playing much, but then again it's probably the same with us - when you're not doing well those not playing are always better than those who are playing + failing.... |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 16:09 - May 27 with 1614 views | chrismakin |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 15:55 - May 27 by rickw |
Just reading Sunderland's fans thoughts on this.
They think we'll get Power, Wyke will likely go to Middlesbrough and when Hawkes leaves he'll go to the Prem.
Most don't seem to rate Wyke, they think he's a big lump with a poor touch who can only score tap ins....
They don't like Power either, they think he's a hard worker but makes poor decisions like shooting from 40 yards when other players in better positions free.
They seem to really rate Hawkes though, strange why he's the one not been playing much, but then again it's probably the same with us - when you're not doing well those not playing are always better than those who are playing + failing.... |
Woah hang on a midfielder who shoots
I'm sold. |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 17:00 - May 27 with 1541 views | Blueschev |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 12:16 - May 27 by JDB23 |
Can’t say any of those names really excite me tbh. Wyke obviously had a good season but Sunderland fans don’t seem to rate him and he does have the hallmarks of a one season wonder. Could be worth a punt on a free but would still like to bring in another striker. |
Max Power doesn't excite you?? He is the man who's name you'd love to touch...but you mustn't touch! |  | | |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 17:33 - May 27 with 1491 views | Superblue95 |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 17:00 - May 27 by Blueschev |
Max Power doesn't excite you?? He is the man who's name you'd love to touch...but you mustn't touch! |
Signing him would be a clear sign the club are still moving the wrong way, but faster. |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 17:35 - May 27 with 1481 views | Illinoisblue |
This Wyke talk is nonsense, surely? Why would Sunderland sell a 30-goal striker to a divisional rival? |  |
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| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 17:37 - May 27 with 1455 views | StokieBlue |
| Wyke, Hawkes & Power all targets from Sunderland... on 17:35 - May 27 by Illinoisblue |
This Wyke talk is nonsense, surely? Why would Sunderland sell a 30-goal striker to a divisional rival? |
It's not their choice, he's out of contract.
Still doesn't mean it's not nonsense though.
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