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National football rivalries. 09:52 - Jun 18 with 3801 viewsMattinLondon

What with England playing Scotland tonight just wondered if the vast majority (English fans at least) still consider Scotland to be their greatest rivals?

For me, it’ll be good to beat Scotland in a traditional derby sense but Argentina are the team that I want to see England humiliate. I love Argentina as a country, their fans are magnificent, but they’re national team…no.
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National football rivalries. on 12:01 - Jun 18 with 606 viewsEly_Blue

National football rivalries. on 09:57 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon

They really don’t - it’s all about Holland to most German fans.

Think France hold England up quite highly in terms of rivalry.


I have a French colleague who I was talking to about the France vs Germany game this week and she expected me to not want France to win or to be supporting Germany so I guess there is some truth in the fact that France see us as rivals

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National football rivalries. on 13:35 - Jun 18 with 569 viewsGeoffSentence

National football rivalries. on 11:26 - Jun 18 by HARRY10

There is a far greater importance placed on this game by those north of the border than ever there is down here. As PG Wodehouse wrote

"It is never difficult to distinguish between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine."

We happen to be the most obvious target to vent that long held and nursed national grievance.

Otherwise, I do not believe there is anything in any national football rivalries that are not simply emneties between countries manifest on the pitch.


I was in the Beagle with a project manager from Scotland once, we were entertaining guests from Belgium and India, two countries with their own internal conflicts and he was explaining the rivalry between Scotland and England to them.

His summary was

"The Scottish hate the English, and the English doont care"

Which I thought pretty much captured it.

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National football rivalries. on 13:44 - Jun 18 with 561 viewsMattinLondon

National football rivalries. on 12:01 - Jun 18 by Ely_Blue

I have a French colleague who I was talking to about the France vs Germany game this week and she expected me to not want France to win or to be supporting Germany so I guess there is some truth in the fact that France see us as rivals


One of my old housemates is French and he said that a lot of people in France view England as a rival in football. Not surprising when you consider the number of times the two countries have been at war. Don’t know why, but he also said that a lot of French people have a fondness for Scotland.
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National football rivalries. on 13:50 - Jun 18 with 551 viewshype313

National football rivalries. on 13:44 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon

One of my old housemates is French and he said that a lot of people in France view England as a rival in football. Not surprising when you consider the number of times the two countries have been at war. Don’t know why, but he also said that a lot of French people have a fondness for Scotland.


Basically, everyone hates the English, you only have to look at Rugby where SA, AUS and NZ all have a big rivalry against each other, but when it comes to the crunch, they all want to beat England, same with the Welsh.

Same goes for Cricket, I'm sure for Tiddlywinks too...

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National football rivalries. on 14:01 - Jun 18 with 545 viewsKeno

National football rivalries. on 11:35 - Jun 18 by Blueastheycome

Guernsey vs Jersey

American Samoa vs Samoa


true on the top one, fecking useless craupards!!

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National football rivalries. on 14:03 - Jun 18 with 542 viewsMattinLondon

National football rivalries. on 13:50 - Jun 18 by hype313

Basically, everyone hates the English, you only have to look at Rugby where SA, AUS and NZ all have a big rivalry against each other, but when it comes to the crunch, they all want to beat England, same with the Welsh.

Same goes for Cricket, I'm sure for Tiddlywinks too...


I’m not sure that is the case. In the same way that Millwall fans think that everyone hates them (in reality, simply no one cares about them) a lot of England fans have the same mindset.
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National football rivalries. on 14:05 - Jun 18 with 541 viewsfooters

National football rivalries. on 14:03 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon

I’m not sure that is the case. In the same way that Millwall fans think that everyone hates them (in reality, simply no one cares about them) a lot of England fans have the same mindset.


All Gallic countries, innit. Can't knock it really :)

I am saying that as a Francophile, mind you.

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National football rivalries. on 14:12 - Jun 18 with 531 viewshype313

National football rivalries. on 14:03 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon

I’m not sure that is the case. In the same way that Millwall fans think that everyone hates them (in reality, simply no one cares about them) a lot of England fans have the same mindset.


When I lived in Oz, they were always saying how beating the Poms was priority, same for the Kiwi's I met.

Same for the Welsh, you might find some island in Archipelago that are ambivalent towards us, but for the large majority beating the English is always number one.

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National football rivalries. on 14:27 - Jun 18 with 511 viewsChurchman

National football rivalries. on 11:13 - Jun 18 by ipswich78

I always like to see the home nations do well as long as England do better!

It's nice to beat Scotland, but I want to beat them only because their fans will bang on about it for ages.


I like to see Wales do well, ok with Ireland and N Ireland, but detest Scotland and cheered when they lost the other day. I never used to feel that way, but their almost universal loathing of the English, I now hope they lose every game till the end of time.
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National football rivalries. on 16:54 - Jun 18 with 478 viewsWeWereZombies

National football rivalries. on 13:44 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon

One of my old housemates is French and he said that a lot of people in France view England as a rival in football. Not surprising when you consider the number of times the two countries have been at war. Don’t know why, but he also said that a lot of French people have a fondness for Scotland.


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National football rivalries. on 16:56 - Jun 18 with 477 viewstractordownsouth

I don't have animosity towards Scotland. I like all the home nations to do well, except when they play Engerland of course.

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National football rivalries. on 18:32 - Jun 18 with 456 viewsThe_Last_Baron

National football rivalries. on 10:10 - Jun 18 by SouperJim

I'd love to see us smash Portugal, my hatred for that winker Ronaldo still burns brightly.


Ronaldo is a magnificent footballer and a great man. He did what he could in that game to help his country and lets face it, England didn't deserve to make the semi-finals in 2006.

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National football rivalries. on 18:36 - Jun 18 with 457 viewsLord_Lucan

National football rivalries. on 10:01 - Jun 18 by Superblue95

Given England are a pretty disliked country globally I’d say a lot of countries quite like the thought of getting one over on us.

Luckily for them they often do


England disliked globally?

Have you ever travelled???

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National football rivalries. on 18:42 - Jun 18 with 454 viewsgtsb1966

Im amazed at this thread. Badger hasn't logged on to call you all racist. Is he ok?
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National football rivalries. on 18:57 - Jun 18 with 438 viewsBarcaBlue

National football rivalries. on 10:01 - Jun 18 by Superblue95

Given England are a pretty disliked country globally I’d say a lot of countries quite like the thought of getting one over on us.

Luckily for them they often do


Not sure that's really accurate and never experienced it on my travels.

I think the Spanish for example almost look up to the English and there's always been a healthy respect for the national side. That's despite the d1cks on tour in Benidorm etc.
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National football rivalries. on 20:34 - Jun 18 with 421 viewsLord_Lucan

National football rivalries. on 18:57 - Jun 18 by BarcaBlue

Not sure that's really accurate and never experienced it on my travels.

I think the Spanish for example almost look up to the English and there's always been a healthy respect for the national side. That's despite the d1cks on tour in Benidorm etc.


I’m lucky enough to have been about a bit and most places I have been look up to England as a football team and a country.

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