| Graham Souness hates England 09:26 - Jun 19 with 8499 views | onceablue |
Why do the Scottish hate us so much
When I was growing up i also supported Scotland cheering them on as my second team
It was only when I started working in Scotland I realised how much they hates us, was in Pub in Glasgow watching England and the hatred was at a different level
One colleague told me they supported ABE ie, anyone but England.
I guess there is a lot of Hatred particular in Glasgow full stop with the whole Rangers Celtic thing.
By the way Souness looked a very ill man apart from his very very very obvious false teeth was Waiting for Wrighty to make a teeth gag!! |  | | |  |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:24 - Jun 19 with 960 views | noggin |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:20 - Jun 19 by Plums |
We moved from Suffolk to the Hebrides in the 80’s and the friendly local kids stoned the windows of our house every evening for the first fortnight after we moved in. I was eventually accepted and became friends with many of them but I’ve never forgotten it and it’s one of the reasons I find racism so abhorrent - they didn’t know me or us, it was just based on prejudice.
You can’t condemn an entire nation for the actions of a few but there is an arrogant group of ignorant, Anglo-centric empire-loving English people that grinds the gears of many of our neighbours. |
"You can’t condemn an entire nation for the actions of a few but there is an arrogant group of ignorant, Anglo-centric empire-loving English people that grinds the gears of many of our neighbours."
Sadly, the number appears to be growing, or maybe it's just more noticeable because of social media. |  |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:25 - Jun 19 with 958 views | jeera |
I have an Irish pub pal who, after several pints of the dark stuff, goes into an anti-English rant pretty much every time.
Starts off the day as your mate and by the end does his best to fall out with you, sometimes standing up and insulting everyone in the room who is English.
I think it's fair to say there's some deep-rooted stuff in there. |  |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:27 - Jun 19 with 957 views | noggin |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:22 - Jun 19 by The_Last_Baron |
Souness may dislike the England football team, but I know he loves the English. He's married to an English woman, the person he would most like to meet is the Queen and I'd be pretty confident he is dead against Scottish independence and is pro-Brexit.
He is a good guy and a proper man. |
Why does wanting to meet the queen and being pro brexit make him a good guy? | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:28 - Jun 19 with 950 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:27 - Jun 19 by noggin |
Why does wanting to meet the queen and being pro brexit make him a good guy? |
That's not what I base my view of him on. That was to explain my view that he loves the English, just might not love the England football team. |  |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:28 - Jun 19 with 951 views | noggin |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:25 - Jun 19 by jeera |
I have an Irish pub pal who, after several pints of the dark stuff, goes into an anti-English rant pretty much every time.
Starts off the day as your mate and by the end does his best to fall out with you, sometimes standing up and insulting everyone in the room who is English.
I think it's fair to say there's some deep-rooted stuff in there. |
Irish hatred of the English is fully understandable, considering the history. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:30 - Jun 19 with 939 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:28 - Jun 19 by noggin |
Irish hatred of the English is fully understandable, considering the history. |
Many Irish people love the English. Go to any number of towns and cities in Northern Ireland.
And go out in Dublin for a drink and you'll find the majority have time for the English. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:32 - Jun 19 with 925 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:04 - Jun 19 by Swansea_Blue |
No, just experience of living in Wales for 25 years. I'm trying to put their perspective across, as the English in general don't see it or understand it, as shown clearly on this thread. |
I haven't visited Wales much, it's the sort of place you don't really need to go to. I mean, it's not as if you have to even go through it to get somewhere.
Hooever - I did spend a couple of weeks in Swansea when I was peddling Chirpy the Chick and what I found quite amazing was that every night at closing time all the daft feckers would stand up and sing "We hate England and we hate England".
Yes, I admit. I don't find the Welsh very cosmopolitan. |  |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:34 - Jun 19 with 924 views | noggin |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:30 - Jun 19 by The_Last_Baron |
Many Irish people love the English. Go to any number of towns and cities in Northern Ireland.
And go out in Dublin for a drink and you'll find the majority have time for the English. |
Of course, the people of Dublin are generally very hospitable. I'm just saying, any hatred, and there is some, is understandable given the history.
I used to drink on the Holloway Rd and it wasn't unusual to see a pint pot handed round'for the cause'. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 14:35]
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:42 - Jun 19 with 906 views | Darth_Koont |
| Graham Souness hates England on 12:20 - Jun 19 by giant_stow |
Had a feeling you'd have a nibble. It's not about 'not getting it' - its about disagreeing about this narative of England the land of of the crap. I think we're better than that, but we're so well trained into putting ourselves down, we lap it up and agree with people like you. |
No, you just seem to specialise in the narrow yet superficial Telegraph-reader takes that I like to challenge.
You completely ignored my comparison with how people view the US and Americans. If you really want to understand the perspective of non-English folk then look there. It really has little to do with individuals at all.
Yeah, I’ve always thought that England’s problem is how they’re always putting themselves down 😂 |  |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:43 - Jun 19 with 903 views | giant_stow |
| Graham Souness hates England on 13:37 - Jun 19 by Swansea_Blue |
You notice it more when you spend time in the various devolved countries. In England we see it as a bit of fun, ribbing the Celtic nations, taking the piss out of their accents, making them the butt of our jokes, not really understanding or appreciating their sense of nationalism and identity. But it gets tediously dull when they have to put up with it all the time. And we English like to think it's just a bit of banter, but we absolutely hate it when the tables are turned and they take the piss out of us.
It's not restricted to football. It's a broad cultural thing. |
Fair enough Swansea and I type as someone with a Welsh mother, so I'm not against those lovely folk!
I just wonder how much of this is real and how much is perceived?
Living there, do you get a lot of English bods coming into town and slating off the locals for example, or do the locals just assumed that’s how English bods feel and react?
Yes there’s a bit of ‘banter’ sometimes from English bods, usually during football comps like now and of course visa versa, but other than, I would think most of the actual hatred comes towards the English. Perhaps that’s to be expected given England’s relative size and power in the union. |  |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:50 - Jun 19 with 884 views | giant_stow |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:42 - Jun 19 by Darth_Koont |
No, you just seem to specialise in the narrow yet superficial Telegraph-reader takes that I like to challenge.
You completely ignored my comparison with how people view the US and Americans. If you really want to understand the perspective of non-English folk then look there. It really has little to do with individuals at all.
Yeah, I’ve always thought that England’s problem is how they’re always putting themselves down 😂 |
Darth, your ad hom stuff is so boringly predictable!!!
Btw, I only ignored your points, as you did mine.
Take your anti-english specs off and maybe you'll see more clearly. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 14:59 - Jun 19 with 872 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:50 - Jun 19 by giant_stow |
Darth, your ad hom stuff is so boringly predictable!!!
Btw, I only ignored your points, as you did mine.
Take your anti-english specs off and maybe you'll see more clearly. |
He's mad isn't he.
I would absolutely love to have a pint with Darth, I would probably spend the whole night winding him up as he seems quite tightly strung.
Aside from that I reckon he's a really nice guy, you can sort of tell. I predict that at the end of the night we would be dribbling and hugging each other - and hopefully putting fivers into Eastern European girls knickers whilst generally being ignored and not appreciated.
Same goes for you Ulla, I think you are ok, I might give you a nudge next time I'm in town. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:02 - Jun 19 with 862 views | jeera |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:28 - Jun 19 by noggin |
Irish hatred of the English is fully understandable, considering the history. |
I've been told by Indians that I colonised them.
I am fine with sympathising with the historical content, (and do!), and am a believer in any nation that can afford to right past wrongs should where possible.
I don't like being tarred with something I had no control of, mainly because I didn't exist.
I am comfortable chatting in a matter-of-fact way about past events with people but sometimes it just isn't possible as the conversation so often becomes personal.
On one occasion we were talking about immigration in general when out of nowhere he announced that England had in the past painted the map [in its own colours]. I mentioned that of course that was true, but to take into account that the same was true of several European countries of the period and he slammed his drink down, swore, and stormed off.
I was bemused at the whole experience to be honest. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:05 - Jun 19 with 858 views | Darth_Koont |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:50 - Jun 19 by giant_stow |
Darth, your ad hom stuff is so boringly predictable!!!
Btw, I only ignored your points, as you did mine.
Take your anti-english specs off and maybe you'll see more clearly. |
I didn’t ignore your “points” — I’ve said they’re narrow and superficial.
You need to open your mind, ullaa. It’s like a polished walnut. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:11 - Jun 19 with 851 views | Darth_Koont |
| Graham Souness hates England on 14:59 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
He's mad isn't he.
I would absolutely love to have a pint with Darth, I would probably spend the whole night winding him up as he seems quite tightly strung.
Aside from that I reckon he's a really nice guy, you can sort of tell. I predict that at the end of the night we would be dribbling and hugging each other - and hopefully putting fivers into Eastern European girls knickers whilst generally being ignored and not appreciated.
Same goes for you Ulla, I think you are ok, I might give you a nudge next time I'm in town. |
Sounds like hell! 😀 | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:13 - Jun 19 with 847 views | jeera |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:11 - Jun 19 by Darth_Koont |
Sounds like hell! 😀 |
Absolutely!
There's no way a Scotsman is going to part a fiver so readily.
*Sorry. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:16 - Jun 19 with 841 views | Darth_Koont |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:13 - Jun 19 by jeera |
Absolutely!
There's no way a Scotsman is going to part a fiver so readily.
*Sorry. |
Why I oughta ... (shakes fist) | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:17 - Jun 19 with 838 views | jeera |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:16 - Jun 19 by Darth_Koont |
Why I oughta ... (shakes fist) |
It would have been rude not to. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:21 - Jun 19 with 829 views | Darth_Koont |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:17 - Jun 19 by jeera |
It would have been rude not to. |
Well, you’ll be pleased to know my shortbread is now soggy with tears.
That’s a quid down the drain. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:22 - Jun 19 with 822 views | jeera |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:21 - Jun 19 by Darth_Koont |
Well, you’ll be pleased to know my shortbread is now soggy with tears.
That’s a quid down the drain. |
I know you have bigger mars bars to fry. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:23 - Jun 19 with 820 views | jontysnut |
| Graham Souness hates England on 11:31 - Jun 19 by Churchman |
I’ve been to Scotland a few times and they’re ok but the only time I’ve actually felt welcome is in Glasgow Indian restaurants (best curries in Britain). They loathe the English. It’s as simple as that.
Like you, in my yoof I supported all the home nations, but not now - if Scotland played Dictators and Maniacs United, I’d be cheering on Vlad the Impaler and co. |
I've been to Scotland lots of times doing the 42 at its been great in grounds, clubs and pubs. Would they cheer on anyone but England, mostly yes. The only place I didn't enjoy was Ibrox when surrounded by loads of Union flags. |  | | |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:23 - Jun 19 with 817 views | J2BLUE |
| Graham Souness hates England on 11:41 - Jun 19 by Stenvict |
Spoiler alert: Every country hates England. I guess it's a bit like us and Colchester in the fact that England don't really care about Scotland, but us Scots hate the English, as you're our actual local rival. I for one cannot wait to see England knocked out. |
Fair play. I'm hoping Croatia beat you with a last minute winner. |  |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:31 - Jun 19 with 799 views | Darth_Koont |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:23 - Jun 19 by jontysnut |
I've been to Scotland lots of times doing the 42 at its been great in grounds, clubs and pubs. Would they cheer on anyone but England, mostly yes. The only place I didn't enjoy was Ibrox when surrounded by loads of Union flags. |
I’ll be honest I’ve always found something a bit proto-fascist about the triumphalism of the Rangers hardcore. I’ve got a couple of Gers mates who love the team and even they find it a bit unsettling at times. | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:32 - Jun 19 with 790 views | Stenvict |
| Graham Souness hates England on 15:23 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
Fair play. I'm hoping Croatia beat you with a last minute winner. |
Naturally | |
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| Graham Souness hates England on 15:32 - Jun 19 with 789 views | m14_blue |
| Graham Souness hates England on 12:41 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
I really don't get this, I posted similar on another thread and at the risk of repeating myself I am lucky to have travelled far and wide and England and the English are loved wherever I have laid my hat.
I would say that the only country on the planet that has a dislike for us is France, probably because they are either embarrassed, jealous or have a misguided sense of grandeur, although even then, when I have been over there whacking their carp and catfish to bits they have been quite hospitable - in a turned up nose sort of way that they display.
I have never travelled to South America but from stories I have heard from fellow peoples I think they love us there - although I accept Argentina might have the hump but I am confident our intrepid planet saving, gas guzzling, aeroplane using corespondent Blue Lagos might be able to put us right - and I still salivate over his stories of Argentinian steaks!
As for Scotland, they are a very confused bunch. I gotta say that I absolutely love the place and I love the people. The thing is though, they are all nuts. The Celtic fans support Ireland and the Rangers fans support England. The Scottish football supporting kilt wearing fountain botherers are all from the smaller towns.
The only people as far as I can see that hate the English are the English |
Have you been to Russia LL?
I can confirm first hand that they’re not mad keen on English football fans but not sure if that’s all it is. | | | |
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