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...and possibly the award for the most far-fetched "Yeah, but Labour" post I've ever read on the forum.
Whow - how sensitive are you!
I have lived in Suffolk all my life and Ipswich since 1964. I am proud of my town, still am, visit the town centre at least twice a week and would not want to live anywhere else. If you genuinely think that my post was as you described BlueBoots then i suggest you really do spend too much time on social media. I asked a question, not stated a fact, but you and your leftie mates on here decided to take 'umbrage'. For my part I believe the development of the cornhill and waterfront areas are damn good achievments and anywhere else apart from this forum, my question would have resulted in some serious answer.
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Ipswich Town Centre on 20:24 - Jul 4 with 2581 views
I have lived in Suffolk all my life and Ipswich since 1964. I am proud of my town, still am, visit the town centre at least twice a week and would not want to live anywhere else. If you genuinely think that my post was as you described BlueBoots then i suggest you really do spend too much time on social media. I asked a question, not stated a fact, but you and your leftie mates on here decided to take 'umbrage'. For my part I believe the development of the cornhill and waterfront areas are damn good achievments and anywhere else apart from this forum, my question would have resulted in some serious answer.
Read enough of your posts before to not take the bait and get drawn into this with you...
Your post was framed as a question, but clearly trying to attribute some blame on the decline of a town centre which has been seriously accelerated by online shopping and the pandemic (something which is happening to towns throughout the country, not just Ipswich) on the local Labour council. If it was a genuine question, I answered it - albeit not politely enough to not affect your own sensitivities it seems.
As for me spending too much time on social media, where the hell do you get that from? Never had a Facebook or Twitter account in my life, and a quick check of my posting history would show that I'm hardly prolific on here...but your original post shows that jumping to conclusions is your thing so I shouldn't be surprised.
Read enough of your posts before to not take the bait and get drawn into this with you...
Your post was framed as a question, but clearly trying to attribute some blame on the decline of a town centre which has been seriously accelerated by online shopping and the pandemic (something which is happening to towns throughout the country, not just Ipswich) on the local Labour council. If it was a genuine question, I answered it - albeit not politely enough to not affect your own sensitivities it seems.
As for me spending too much time on social media, where the hell do you get that from? Never had a Facebook or Twitter account in my life, and a quick check of my posting history would show that I'm hardly prolific on here...but your original post shows that jumping to conclusions is your thing so I shouldn't be surprised.
He tries too hard but thinks he sounds clever.
Stick him on ignore and leave him to it.
Honestly he is representative of everything that is wrong with the world which should hopefully disappear within a few generations.
Those types can kick and scream and try to drag us all backwards as much as they like but as people continue to be educated they will eventually be no more.
It won't be in my time but nonetheless, I feel secure knowing it has to happen as more and more normal people make an effort to educate themselves.
Honestly he is representative of everything that is wrong with the world which should hopefully disappear within a few generations.
Those types can kick and scream and try to drag us all backwards as much as they like but as people continue to be educated they will eventually be no more.
It won't be in my time but nonetheless, I feel secure knowing it has to happen as more and more normal people make an effort to educate themselves.
Thank you for those kind words Jeera - Your cowardly anonymity means folk will never be able to judge us side by side - such a challenge I would gladly take.
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Ipswich Town Centre on 05:15 - Jul 5 with 2427 views
Thank you for those kind words Jeera - Your cowardly anonymity means folk will never be able to judge us side by side - such a challenge I would gladly take.
I liked the bit where you decry everyone else for their 'cowardly' anonymity whilst also hiding behind an alias to accuse people of all sorts of things.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Thank you for those kind words Jeera - Your cowardly anonymity means folk will never be able to judge us side by side - such a challenge I would gladly take.
Ipswich Town Centre on 10:31 - Jul 4 by pointofblue
The loss of the Co-op in Carr Street started it, then obviously losing Woolworths just exacerbated the situation. For me, the council should have done everything to encourage John Lewis to move into either the old Co-op building or the Buttermarket, rather than building a store out of town.
The only way that would have been done is if that building was completely rebuilt
Once upon the time they had plans to build a massive shopping centre on the car parks behind Woolworths and the Co-op called the Cloisters I believe, this would have joined this part of Town up nicely and attracted more businesses around it. I believe the planned flagship tennant at the time was House of Fraser
Mike Ashley's planning to do something with the old BHS building and have various stores from his empire I believe, something could be done with the old Sainsbury's/Morrisons building. If you knocked that down and built a more modern building you could really open up the space between that and the old BHS building with the Buttermarket Shopping Centre.
A lot of work needs to be done, they know it has problems, the transport network into the centre of Town is poor as well.
Retail doesn't actually do too badly in Ipswich, it's just the Town centre that has issues. In many cases that's down to the quality of building available to retailers sadly.
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
What strikes me when I visit is how large the central "shopping" area is for the size of the town, it's quite staggering when you look at it. Far too large now. Reduce the size with residential...it's the only way forward, and concentrate on smaller clusters of shopping to create occupancy and hopefully quality.
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Ipswich Town Centre on 11:05 - Jul 5 with 2217 views
Norwich has historically had a “ softer “ industry stemming way back to the wool trade and the very wealthy traders . In modern times their industry is largely service industries , and is still much wealthier than Ipswich’s. by contrast Ipswich is / was historically a heavy industry hub and of course thus stems from our medieval port. The capita per population remains low compared to Norwich and our demographics is significantly different, with an older population ( well it was until perhaps the influence of the Suffolk university), and Ipswich since Europe’s freedom of migration took effect , has seen a significant influx of foreign nationals, most notably East Europeans , who are unskilled workers on very low incomes . You won’t see that in Norwich .
Ipswich has decline over the last 2-3 decades IMO and the pathetic councils that have supposedly “ run” the Ipswich Borough also gave a lot to answer for. But as someone else has rightly pointed out most towns are run down with a lack of shops . Blame online shopping for that, and expensive car parking etc etc …. The nature of the high street has changed everywhere , for good , and not the better.
Last time I was there was summer of 19. I hadn't been for a while and was expecting a complete dump based on some of the comments I've seen on here. We actually had a rather pleasant couple of hours. It's streets ahead of some of the City and Town centres in this part of the world.
As someone who's never lived in Ipswich, if it wasn't for the football club I've no idea what I'd go there for. Suffolk is a beautiful county, much of it. You'd think they could tap into that to make the so-called county town a lot better. Seems to me, like a lot of places, it just needs a bit of love (and investment).
The waterfront's decent though. Perhaps more could be made of that.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Ipswich Town Centre on 01:17 - Jul 6 with 1947 views
Thank you for those kind words Jeera - Your cowardly anonymity means folk will never be able to judge us side by side - such a challenge I would gladly take.
Thank you for those kind words Jeera - Your cowardly anonymity means folk will never be able to judge us side by side - such a challenge I would gladly take.
Stupid man. I've only just seen this.
That's how it works sunshine - you post sh1t online, you get called out online.
Same as the real world. You speak sh1t in public, you get called out in public.
You're not special pal.
Edit: btw, enough of the threats. You're supposed to be an old boy aren't you? I understand you've sent PMs to other posters trying to make threats too. That's not very good is it? How about you grow up and knock it off before someone with a screw loose takes you up on it?
As someone who's never lived in Ipswich, if it wasn't for the football club I've no idea what I'd go there for. Suffolk is a beautiful county, much of it. You'd think they could tap into that to make the so-called county town a lot better. Seems to me, like a lot of places, it just needs a bit of love (and investment).
The waterfront's decent though. Perhaps more could be made of that.
Ipswich particularly but Suffolk too historically has had a massive lack of investment on transport
The Roads are poor, there's a lot areas of the county where not a lot of people live but they aren't prepared to have a proper road built within five miles of their property
Our second biggest Town is largely unconnected to any where, when really there should be a dual carriageway the entire way between it and Ipswich, it's basically a B-Road beyond Wickham Market, not that we have a major road joining us to Norwich either.
Education is poor in Suffolk also with Schools performing very poorly on a national level, I believe that's less so a problem in Ipswich but it's still embarassing
Mental Health provision in Suffolk is just about the worst in the country as well
We pay a lot more into the Railway system than we get out despite having a fairly busy network, essentially subsidising other less successful franchises across the country.
We have BT on the edge of the Town but this doesn't actually guarantee the local Town benefits from those connections on Broadband or anything particularly cutting edge on technical infrastructure front
From a political point of view, Ipswich is hamstrung by the very Conservative Satellite Councils around the Town, who are happy to load all their housing onto the edge of Ipswich and then adding strain to local services within the Borough of Ipswich who tend to vote for the Labour Party who are always at odds with these Councils and the County Council itself.
We have recently had another ridiculous example of this where local MP for Ipswich Tom Hunt, who claimed he would be a Champion of the Town when he got in, refused to back the Town's bid for City Status seemingly because he doesn't want to work with the local council on this, honestly it's ridiculously petty but if he fundamentally can't Champion the Town, what really is the point of him being our MP?
The Town really should have Unitary Authority Status, giving it far more control over it's future. The eternally Blue Suffolk County Council don't want this for obvious reasons.
I can see someone further up moaning about Ipswich Borough Council but I'd be interested to know what their gripe is with them, generally most of the stuff they do is good.
They ran the Ed Sheeran Concerts exceptionally well when everyone was concerned they would be a disaster
They are always putting events on in Parks, the football has increased by double since the rebuild of the Cornhill which everyone seems to moan about on the Ipswich Star Facebook pages, I've never seen such a strange clamour for what was a dull block paved slope.
When the people who took over and redeveloped the Buttermarket, they said Ipswich Borough Council were pleasure to work with
In contrast you have Suffolk Council who run our Road Network, comically badly in Ipswich, they run our Schools
Suffolk Council built up something like £400 million pounds in money they didn't spend, where on earth has that gone? They love an outsource and an efficiency saving, has this just been written off for the benefit of National Government?
They secured funding for Ben Gummer's Bridge, spent £9 million on the consultancy for it but have now decided they can't afford to build it, having originally expected it to cost £150 million, I'm sure costs have climbed, I was never a fan of it personally, it didn't seem to make much sense having a mini-Orwell Bridge within a few hundred metres of the actual Orwell Bridge. Suffolk County Council favoured this as an alternative to the Northern Bypass but ironically, they hadn't asked the Port of Ipswich for example whether they were happy for a major Bridge to be built over and through their working Port yet they're happy to bow down to a few thousand people North of Ipswich on the Northern Bypass issue and pass it off as a democratic decision not to consider it.
but if national government are willing to give Ipswich £150 million, can we use it for something else please?
That's just another example of National Government money going to other parts of the Country so they can invest and gain yet further advantage on us here in the stix
Felixstowe becoming a Freeport maybe good news for the area but National Government really needs to give us some infrastructure spending to make the most of this opportunity
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Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
That's how it works sunshine - you post sh1t online, you get called out online.
Same as the real world. You speak sh1t in public, you get called out in public.
You're not special pal.
Edit: btw, enough of the threats. You're supposed to be an old boy aren't you? I understand you've sent PMs to other posters trying to make threats too. That's not very good is it? How about you grow up and knock it off before someone with a screw loose takes you up on it?
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Jeera I posted a question repeated below:
'It has been a Labour run council for the last ten years , is that relevant or not?'
I then received a reply that was not in my opinion very helpful and replied accordingly. Then as usual you stepped in with your usual tirade of abuse. I will always defend myself and stand up to those you believe this site should be a 'one way street'. Another poster also suggested that the local authorities perhaps could have done better - yet mine was just a question.
Like someone else ably put it, Ipswich might not be perfect but it is my Town and I love living hear. Oh and by the way, i have not made a threat to anyone - just a suggestion that one should only say things on social media that you would say to their face.
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Ipswich Town Centre on 08:37 - Jul 6 with 1819 views
Ipswich Town Centre on 20:46 - Jul 5 by Swansea_Blue
Last time I was there was summer of 19. I hadn't been for a while and was expecting a complete dump based on some of the comments I've seen on here. We actually had a rather pleasant couple of hours. It's streets ahead of some of the City and Town centres in this part of the world.
I don't know what some people expect - you go away to places that have small little high streets and are nice because they are tourist traps.
If people went to the town centres of our away days in L1 they would be in for a shock - small towns have poor high streets now. Ipswich has enough nicer areas, and shops in there that you can have a nice day in the town. Enough decent pubs and restaurants, a few independent shops, enough chain ones.
Is it a destination for shopping, clearly not - but I had to grab a few bits at weekend for my boy starting school, plus birthday presents for family and easily had it covered there.
I do wonder if Gamechanger, particularly Detmer, have their eyes on any developments near the stadium. It could be that the US investment revives the town as well as the football club.
Having grown up there, I find visits to the town centre now very weird. It has plummeted in terms of quality of shops. The Cornhill in particular is such a handsome space, so much more could be done with the centre.
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