| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive 22:17 - Jul 16 with 7451 views | XYZ |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:21 - Jul 16 with 4161 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I am double vacced with AZ and over 3 weeks after second dose.
I have the throat and nose associated with the delta variant and know I have been around people who have tested positive. Did a lateral flow on Wednesday before I had symptoms and another this morning (I started feeling ill yesterday) and both were negative.
PS Hope your nephew is OK. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 22:21]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:26 - Jul 16 with 4098 views | XYZ |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:21 - Jul 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am double vacced with AZ and over 3 weeks after second dose.
I have the throat and nose associated with the delta variant and know I have been around people who have tested positive. Did a lateral flow on Wednesday before I had symptoms and another this morning (I started feeling ill yesterday) and both were negative.
PS Hope your nephew is OK. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 22:21]
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He's OK atm, pissed about missing a holiday he'd booked. Worrying it's getting through the vaccinations though, although they're not 100% guaranteed.
Madness to drop the masks and distancing.
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:34 - Jul 16 with 4043 views | Westover |
My friends son had both jabs but still caught covid and was very bad for over a week. | | | |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:36 - Jul 16 with 4020 views | ElderGrizzly |
Yep, the very high % efficacy is just against serious illness and hospitalisation.
It doesn’t necessarily stop you catching it.
Hope he is ok, but as you say it is madness to do what we are on the 19th |  | | |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:38 - Jul 16 with 4003 views | pointofblue |
Vaccines will not stop all of the cases; the hope is they should quell the symptoms and keep people out of hospital - hence the link to hospitalisations and deaths has been weakened but not severed.
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:39 - Jul 16 with 3975 views | chrismakin |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:38 - Jul 16 by pointofblue |
Vaccines will not stop all of the cases; the hope is they should quell the symptoms and keep people out of hospital - hence the link to hospitalisations and deaths has been weakened but not severed.
Hope your nephew is ok. |
Sadly hospitalisations now doubling every day. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:52 - Jul 16 with 3912 views | StokieBlue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:26 - Jul 16 by XYZ |
He's OK atm, pissed about missing a holiday he'd booked. Worrying it's getting through the vaccinations though, although they're not 100% guaranteed.
Madness to drop the masks and distancing.
Some people will die unnecessarily. |
Unfortunately being double-dosed still means you have at least a 1 in 10 chance of catching C19. Given enough contacts it's likely a vaccinated person will catch it at some point.
You're totally right, the government "strategy" is awful and has been declared so by 1200 scientists:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:55 - Jul 16 with 3881 views | XYZ |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:52 - Jul 16 by StokieBlue |
Unfortunately being double-dosed still means you have at least a 1 in 10 chance of catching C19. Given enough contacts it's likely a vaccinated person will catch it at some point.
You're totally right, the government "strategy" is awful and has been declared so by 1200 scientists:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-
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Quite, and with the Johnson variant rife, it will infect enough to over-run the NHS and kill more. | | | |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:17 - Jul 16 with 3762 views | pointofblue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:52 - Jul 16 by StokieBlue |
Unfortunately being double-dosed still means you have at least a 1 in 10 chance of catching C19. Given enough contacts it's likely a vaccinated person will catch it at some point.
You're totally right, the government "strategy" is awful and has been declared so by 1200 scientists:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-
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I suppose the question is how do we get out of this. Obviously halt the lifting of the final restrictions on Monday and legalise the wearing of masks but is that enough considering cases are increasing horrifically with the current restrictions in place? | |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:21 - Jul 16 with 3739 views | StokieBlue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:17 - Jul 16 by pointofblue |
I suppose the question is how do we get out of this. Obviously halt the lifting of the final restrictions on Monday and legalise the wearing of masks but is that enough considering cases are increasing horrifically with the current restrictions in place? |
It seems the only realistic way is to vaccine enough people and we haven't. I'll happily sit here in restrictions worse than the ones we have if it means everyone gets vaccinated.
However there is an issue that many simply don't want to get vaccinated and that is an issue with education and misinformation.
Misinformation has cost countless lives this last 18 months.
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:27 - Jul 16 with 3705 views | pointofblue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:21 - Jul 16 by StokieBlue |
It seems the only realistic way is to vaccine enough people and we haven't. I'll happily sit here in restrictions worse than the ones we have if it means everyone gets vaccinated.
However there is an issue that many simply don't want to get vaccinated and that is an issue with education and misinformation.
Misinformation has cost countless lives this last 18 months.
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I agree - it's how to educate effectively to get the remaining population vaccinated but we cannot stay with some restrictions in place forever more because of them. Interestingly the number of cases has dropped from a 34% week-on-week increase to a 17% week-on-week increase this time around so perhaps the current level would have an affect if they would just stick to it for a bit longer, to try and get more people vaccinated. | |
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| But, they aren't though. (n/t) on 23:27 - Jul 16 with 3691 views | Bloots |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:39 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
Sadly hospitalisations now doubling every day. |
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| But, they aren't though. (n/t) on 23:44 - Jul 16 with 3601 views | chrismakin |
| But, they aren't though. (n/t) on 23:27 - Jul 16 by Bloots |
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| But, they aren't though. (n/t) on 23:47 - Jul 16 with 3599 views | SitfcB |
| But, they aren't though. (n/t) on 23:27 - Jul 16 by Bloots |
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| But, they aren't though. (n/t) on 23:50 - Jul 16 with 3578 views | StokieBlue |
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You are correct they aren't (although they might be in some localised areas).
However they are at 717 today and the cases are rising. Assuming a linear progression (which can't be guaranteed, it depends if it finds unvaccinated people) then we are still looking at hitting between 1500 and 2000 a day within the next few weeks and that's going to put a huge strain on the NHS - possibly more than it can handle.
The government plan is rubbish.
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:52 - Jul 16 with 3569 views | StokieBlue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:27 - Jul 16 by pointofblue |
I agree - it's how to educate effectively to get the remaining population vaccinated but we cannot stay with some restrictions in place forever more because of them. Interestingly the number of cases has dropped from a 34% week-on-week increase to a 17% week-on-week increase this time around so perhaps the current level would have an affect if they would just stick to it for a bit longer, to try and get more people vaccinated. |
I don't think anyone is asking for perpetual restrictions, although at the moment some businesses are looking to enforce the current restrictions after next week.
The government have simply gone too early, they should have waited another 4 week at least and then made a decision based on the science.
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:53 - Jul 16 with 3567 views | Plums |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:21 - Jul 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am double vacced with AZ and over 3 weeks after second dose.
I have the throat and nose associated with the delta variant and know I have been around people who have tested positive. Did a lateral flow on Wednesday before I had symptoms and another this morning (I started feeling ill yesterday) and both were negative.
PS Hope your nephew is OK. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 22:21]
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Spoke with a medic friend the other day who said lateral flow tests are useless if you have symptoms, they will show a false negative. You need a PCR. She said she hears this a lot and has no idea why it hasn’t been more widely publicised. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 04:15 - Jul 17 with 3372 views | DeepBlueSea |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:53 - Jul 16 by Plums |
Spoke with a medic friend the other day who said lateral flow tests are useless if you have symptoms, they will show a false negative. You need a PCR. She said she hears this a lot and has no idea why it hasn’t been more widely publicised. |
I just want to say, as an airway specialist, the issue is not the spread of the virus. It’s the proportion of people who need ITU and mechanical ventilation. In my career (I’m 41 now) I’ve never ever seen intensive care as stretched as it was last year, it was truly awful, the worst few months of my career and possibly my life. Here’s hoping that the huge rise in cases does not equate to a huge rise in itu admissions like the last two waves. We literally can’t do it.,I have to be careful what I say on a public forum but anyone who wants to can DM me for me to give more detail. Just to give you an idea, I’m on the crash team that gets called to respiratory and cardiac arrests. In 2020 we went from 2-3 resp failures per week attending A&E to maybe 10 per day. The survival rate was around 45%. Of the 10 patients on average who attended A&E per day, we knew 5-6 would die. Every single day. For months. | | | |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 04:17 - Jul 17 with 3363 views | DeepBlueSea |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:53 - Jul 16 by Plums |
Spoke with a medic friend the other day who said lateral flow tests are useless if you have symptoms, they will show a false negative. You need a PCR. She said she hears this a lot and has no idea why it hasn’t been more widely publicised. |
They are useless/ I got a positive lateral flow, self isolated until I got a PCR, which came back negative. I know tonnes of people in that situation. | | | |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 04:40 - Jul 17 with 3344 views | TractorWood |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 04:17 - Jul 17 by DeepBlueSea |
They are useless/ I got a positive lateral flow, self isolated until I got a PCR, which came back negative. I know tonnes of people in that situation. |
Conversely I continually carded negative lateral flows through both not having and then having textbook symptoms following going to Wembley for the last 3 games (I wore a mask everywhere obliged to). I took a PCR on Thursday as I began to display symptoms and frankly feel awful and just got carded a positive. The email just woke me up.
If unsure I'd get a PCR as everyone I speak to is getting wholly incorrect LF results. Your mileage may vary.
I'm double Pfizer jabbed for a month plus, in my early 30s and have felt atrocious. Going back to bed.
Please continue to wear masks and avoid unnecessary contact. Freedom Day or whatever it's called will be an absolute howler. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 4:43]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 04:44 - Jul 17 with 3337 views | TractorWood |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:53 - Jul 16 by Plums |
Spoke with a medic friend the other day who said lateral flow tests are useless if you have symptoms, they will show a false negative. You need a PCR. She said she hears this a lot and has no idea why it hasn’t been more widely publicised. |
This is consistent with my experience but it also carded negatives the day before having symptoms for me. In my experience and from what others have said who also tested positive after the Euros, they are just useless. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 4:45]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 07:11 - Jul 17 with 3133 views | DeepBlueSea |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 04:44 - Jul 17 by TractorWood |
This is consistent with my experience but it also carded negatives the day before having symptoms for me. In my experience and from what others have said who also tested positive after the Euros, they are just useless. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 4:45]
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False positives are frustrating but you get far more of them than false negatives. It’s a really tricky situation but surely you’d rather test yourself and be rightb 80% of the time than not test at all? | | | |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 07:14 - Jul 17 with 3116 views | DeepBlueSea |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 07:11 - Jul 17 by DeepBlueSea |
False positives are frustrating but you get far more of them than false negatives. It’s a really tricky situation but surely you’d rather test yourself and be rightb 80% of the time than not test at all? |
I also say that as someone had to wrongly (it turns out) self isolate, and not see my baby boy while I waited for the PCR. It ducking sucked but there are thousands of people in the UK who are alive now who wouldn’t be if we didn’t do these regular lateral flow tests, as accurate ((or not) as they may be.
Extreme example but If you took a test that said you had a 75% chance of being HIV positive surely that’s better than nothing? | | | |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 07:35 - Jul 17 with 3057 views | bluelagos |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:39 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
Sadly hospitalisations now doubling every day. |
Nowhere near doubling.
You can see the rates on the attached.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
The latest figures on there are up 20% in a week. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 07:56 - Jul 17 with 2959 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 23:52 - Jul 16 by StokieBlue |
I don't think anyone is asking for perpetual restrictions, although at the moment some businesses are looking to enforce the current restrictions after next week.
The government have simply gone too early, they should have waited another 4 week at least and then made a decision based on the science.
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Agreed. The numbers suggest a significant increase in hospitalisations in the short term so surely it’s the wrong time to “open up”.
I think we’ll be locked down again within 2 months unfortunately. | | | |
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