| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... 15:28 - Jul 30 with 6739 views | unstableblue |
.... the huge wage bill that had been expunged (sp?) from the club by getting rid of the old timers... Sears, Chambo, Skuse, Judge
None of our new players will be on their packages that's for sure! |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:54 - Jul 30 with 2325 views | Illinoisblue |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 16:26 - Jul 30 by chicoazul |
We offered Bradley 13k a week by very informed accounts, which is loads more than anyone at Ipswich was on last season. No way will Piggott and Chaplin be on less than 10. I expect our wage bill to be enormously bigger than last year. |
This is League One. Your numbers don’t sound right. |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:56 - Jul 30 with 2308 views | Coastalblue |
I love the passionate and sometimes heated debates that develop on here when nobody actually knows the truth of the matter, and at best has an educated opinion. |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:59 - Jul 30 with 2289 views | chicoazul |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:54 - Jul 30 by Illinoisblue |
This is League One. Your numbers don’t sound right. |
It’s mad I agree but by informed accounts it’s true. As another poster just said we are competing for players with championship clubs so we need to be paying very good money over contracts that are a year longer than most contracts given out in this league. |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:59 - Jul 30 with 2285 views | chicoazul |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:56 - Jul 30 by Coastalblue |
I love the passionate and sometimes heated debates that develop on here when nobody actually knows the truth of the matter, and at best has an educated opinion. |
You must be new here. It’s been like this since 1998! | |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:01 - Jul 30 with 2275 views | positivity |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:33 - Jul 30 by tractorboy1978 |
What Fraser, Pigott, Burns were on at their previous clubs isn't relevant though. All three were wanted by Championship clubs who would have been offering Championship money even if that gap to L1 has maybe got slightly smaller this summer.
IMO 8/10 signed so far will be on over £5k a week. A few of them closer to £10k. And there is absolutely zero chance MK are spending more on wages than we have. |
there's a massive divide in the championship. your fulhams/norwiches/wbas will be offering far more than the blackpools/coventrys/lutons.
i very much doubt the lower tier clubs will be offering 10k a week (and if they did there would be hefty drops on relegation) |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:02 - Jul 30 with 2274 views | Illinoisblue |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:59 - Jul 30 by chicoazul |
It’s mad I agree but by informed accounts it’s true. As another poster just said we are competing for players with championship clubs so we need to be paying very good money over contracts that are a year longer than most contracts given out in this league. |
No disrespect to Piggot but he’s a journeyman striker from Wimbledon. And yet we’re paying him 10k a week? Doesn’t add up at all. | |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:06 - Jul 30 with 2244 views | ITFCBlues |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:03 - Jul 30 by PhilTWTD |
Huws, I would guess, was probably the highest-paid player that moved on this summer. |
What's your take on it, Phil? I know weve removed 20 odd players from the wage bill, but alot of those you'd think would be on no more than 4k and some half that.
Alot of these new signings must be earning approaching 10k? It's hard to believe they're moving from or turning down Championship clubs to come here if they're not paying decent money. |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:09 - Jul 30 with 2232 views | positivity |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:06 - Jul 30 by ITFCBlues |
What's your take on it, Phil? I know weve removed 20 odd players from the wage bill, but alot of those you'd think would be on no more than 4k and some half that.
Alot of these new signings must be earning approaching 10k? It's hard to believe they're moving from or turning down Championship clubs to come here if they're not paying decent money. |
we're not winning battles with top championship clubs, we're winning them against lower championship clubs, who are unlikely to be offering anywhere near 10k.
the vast majority of our players will not be approaching 10k | |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:21 - Jul 30 with 2198 views | TomTheWriter |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:33 - Jul 30 by tractorboy1978 |
What Fraser, Pigott, Burns were on at their previous clubs isn't relevant though. All three were wanted by Championship clubs who would have been offering Championship money even if that gap to L1 has maybe got slightly smaller this summer.
IMO 8/10 signed so far will be on over £5k a week. A few of them closer to £10k. And there is absolutely zero chance MK are spending more on wages than we have. |
Burns and Fraser wouldn’t have been offered any money by Championship teams as they probably didn’t reach Fleetwood and MK’s valuation for the fee. All we needed to do was offer more wage than they were already on, even it was an extra £1k because they’d probably buy into the ambition and culture of the club.
Pigott is probably on a good chunk, but he would have gone from 1-2k at Wimbledon to 6-7k, that’s not sustainable. I’d be shocked if any Champ side offered him that, Bristol City probably said ‘We’ll give you 3k a week’ because they knew he’d jump at the chance to play in the Championship.
Mo Eisa is big money, signing a good L1 striker from the Championship. Parrott is on Tottenham wages, Watters cost Cardiff £2million so you know they are paying a big chunk of his wage. Josh Martin is on Norwich’s Prem wages, Aden Baldwin left Championship Bristol City, where has was a regular up to a year ago, so he’s on a good chunk of money as well.
Not to mention Scott Twine who is easily BIG money for someone who could have slot into a Championship team with ease. They are paying a decent amount to get promoted. |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:27 - Jul 30 with 2194 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:09 - Jul 30 by positivity |
we're not winning battles with top championship clubs, we're winning them against lower championship clubs, who are unlikely to be offering anywhere near 10k.
the vast majority of our players will not be approaching 10k |
Worth taking into consideration any promotion bonus we may be offering, it is also to be assumed that the new signings on 3-4 year contracts also know by how much their salary will be increased on promotion.
We have been signing the type of players looking for a challenge, totally different approach compared with recent seasons. |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 19:34 - Jul 30 with 2148 views | BrianTablet |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 17:59 - Jul 30 by chicoazul |
You must be new here. It’s been like this since 1998! |
That's complete rubbish. We were all harmonious until the Copdock Incident of 4th March 1999.
Def info. |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 20:26 - Jul 30 with 2093 views | Keaneish |
Chambers and Sears possibly on that figure as they signed new two year deals in 2019 when we were either staring relegation in the face or we’re relegated but Skuse signed a new deal when we were a mid-table Championship side in 2018 and Judge would have been on a decent salary - the common consensus was that he was second to Huws in the salary table although, in your favour, it was negotiated at the start of our League One season.
Any other link is manager and tabloid speculation which should be treated as much. There’s no doubt we’re paying good money but given the “packages” Ashton inferred others were on aren’t being met, and with a trimmed squad, I’d be surprised if we’re paying over what we were previously. [Post edited 30 Jul 2021 20:33]
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 20:53 - Jul 30 with 2061 views | xrayspecs |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 20:26 - Jul 30 by Keaneish |
Chambers and Sears possibly on that figure as they signed new two year deals in 2019 when we were either staring relegation in the face or we’re relegated but Skuse signed a new deal when we were a mid-table Championship side in 2018 and Judge would have been on a decent salary - the common consensus was that he was second to Huws in the salary table although, in your favour, it was negotiated at the start of our League One season.
Any other link is manager and tabloid speculation which should be treated as much. There’s no doubt we’re paying good money but given the “packages” Ashton inferred others were on aren’t being met, and with a trimmed squad, I’d be surprised if we’re paying over what we were previously. [Post edited 30 Jul 2021 20:33]
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You cannot discount what other ITK managers are saying, just because it does not suit your viewpoint.
To add to what I posted previously.
2019 survey
Lowest paid top earner in the Championship was on £9k per week.
Average salary was £29k per week
Average top earner in L1 was less than £5k.
We are competing for players with middle/lower end Championship clubs and winning. Money talks.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/huge-wage-gap-in-efl-revealed-2663302 | | | |
| Wage Cap on 21:04 - Jul 30 with 2047 views | longtimefan |
| Wage Cap on 17:00 - Jul 30 by xrayspecs |
Yes
Turnover will include the monies the new ownership group have put into the club this summer. This will enable us to spend more on salaries than would otherwise be possible. Ashton spoke last night about the budget for this year enabling us to be" competitive"
An oddity of SCMP is that transfer fees spent are not counted as part of the cap, but transfer income can be added to turnover. So the circa £3m spent to date on fees is ignored but the circa £2m - from Dozzell, Gibbs and other smaller fees can be added towards wages.
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php |
With regards to transfer income counting to turnover, the words used in the SCMP are “profit on player sales”. Does that mean profit on an individual player basis, which would work well for us as the players sold were academy players or ones purchased at low cost, or does it mean profit across all transfer dealings during the year? | | | |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 21:34 - Jul 30 with 2002 views | BryanPlug |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 15:59 - Jul 30 by xrayspecs |
Not a chance.
Sears, Chambers, Skuse would have been on low thousands per week. Judge possibly higher.
We have been offering up to £10k per week for new signings.
There is a reason we are competitive in this transfer window, it is because we are paying a lot higher wages than we have done in recent seasons.
Having a smaller squad helps on overall budget, but the idea that our wages bill has not increased this seasons is I suspect very fanciful.
Similar comment on transfer fees. While Ashton was right to state that we have got monies in for some players (Doz £1m, Gibbs 500k?, small fees for some others), these are highly likely not to cover our fees to date (Burns, Hladky and Harper circa £250k each, Edmundson, Frazer and Chaplin circs £750k each). |
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| Wage Cap on 21:45 - Jul 30 with 1993 views | xrayspecs |
| Wage Cap on 21:04 - Jul 30 by longtimefan |
With regards to transfer income counting to turnover, the words used in the SCMP are “profit on player sales”. Does that mean profit on an individual player basis, which would work well for us as the players sold were academy players or ones purchased at low cost, or does it mean profit across all transfer dealings during the year? |
I believe so. Dozzell and Gibbs came through the academy, as did Bishop, assuming a small fee. So the fee is profit on player sales. | | | |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 21:52 - Jul 30 with 1985 views | xrayspecs |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 21:34 - Jul 30 by BryanPlug |
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Read the thread. It is other managers comments about how some clubs in Div 1 are offering 10k/week (Robinson/Oxford) or double what used to be top earnings (Cowley and £5k/week Deloitte).
We were also reported to offer Bradely at Luton 13k/week. Clearly, I am not saying that we have offered this to all our signings. But when your competition is lower half Championship clubs, the idea that we have secured all these players for peanuts does stretch the imagination. | | | |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 22:09 - Jul 30 with 1967 views | PhilTWTD |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:06 - Jul 30 by ITFCBlues |
What's your take on it, Phil? I know weve removed 20 odd players from the wage bill, but alot of those you'd think would be on no more than 4k and some half that.
Alot of these new signings must be earning approaching 10k? It's hard to believe they're moving from or turning down Championship clubs to come here if they're not paying decent money. |
The plan was definitely to cut the number of players to offer bigger contracts to those coming in, I know that. Whether that ultimately takes the wage bill above and beyond where it was I'm not sure, but would surprise me if that wasn't the case once they've brought in the remaining signings. |  | | |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 22:11 - Jul 30 with 1956 views | PhilTWTD |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:09 - Jul 30 by positivity |
we're not winning battles with top championship clubs, we're winning them against lower championship clubs, who are unlikely to be offering anywhere near 10k.
the vast majority of our players will not be approaching 10k |
That is a fair point and very few Championship clubs have money this summer. The chickens seem to be coming home to roost and not just at Derby. | | | |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 22:41 - Jul 30 with 1895 views | BryanPlug |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 21:52 - Jul 30 by xrayspecs |
Read the thread. It is other managers comments about how some clubs in Div 1 are offering 10k/week (Robinson/Oxford) or double what used to be top earnings (Cowley and £5k/week Deloitte).
We were also reported to offer Bradely at Luton 13k/week. Clearly, I am not saying that we have offered this to all our signings. But when your competition is lower half Championship clubs, the idea that we have secured all these players for peanuts does stretch the imagination. |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 22:47 - Jul 30 with 1885 views | PhilTWTD |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:27 - Jul 30 by Pinewoodblue |
Worth taking into consideration any promotion bonus we may be offering, it is also to be assumed that the new signings on 3-4 year contracts also know by how much their salary will be increased on promotion.
We have been signing the type of players looking for a challenge, totally different approach compared with recent seasons. |
Also good points. Edmundson wasn't offered four-year deals anywhere else, I'm sure of that. | | | |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 07:53 - Jul 31 with 1752 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 18:06 - Jul 30 by ITFCBlues |
What's your take on it, Phil? I know weve removed 20 odd players from the wage bill, but alot of those you'd think would be on no more than 4k and some half that.
Alot of these new signings must be earning approaching 10k? It's hard to believe they're moving from or turning down Championship clubs to come here if they're not paying decent money. |
Seem to be a couple of different points being debated in this thread which isn’t helping!
OP - nonsense, it is known that relegation clauses had kicked in for the old guard and clear we are pushing the boat out on some of our signings. The likes of Harper, Chaplin, Edmundson etc haven’t come here for buttons
Overall wage bill - think there’s merit in this, the squad was huge last year plus stuffed with loanees that would have inflated the wage bill. As it stands I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a lower overall bill, although that may change by the time the Summer is done |  |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 08:15 - Jul 31 with 1726 views | Keaneish |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 20:53 - Jul 30 by xrayspecs |
You cannot discount what other ITK managers are saying, just because it does not suit your viewpoint.
To add to what I posted previously.
2019 survey
Lowest paid top earner in the Championship was on £9k per week.
Average salary was £29k per week
Average top earner in L1 was less than £5k.
We are competing for players with middle/lower end Championship clubs and winning. Money talks.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/huge-wage-gap-in-efl-revealed-2663302 |
The article you’ve posted was written in 2020 from a survey collated at some point in 2019. The EADT article states the lowest salary was £8.5k although another article references Chambers on £6k a week, presumably when he renegotiated in March 2019. In short, there are far too many inconsistencies and inaccuracies propped up with too much conjecture to put any accurate measure out there for debate.
As long as we’re operating within FFP, it’s all that really matters. | |
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| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 08:27 - Jul 31 with 1711 views | Churchman |
I think the point is that more players out than are coming in means more £ for those that are here. What the figures are is irrelevant as long as we remain within the rules and don’t invoke a transfer embargo.
Ashton said that we are within those limits and within the budget set by the owners and I’m inclined to believe him so hearing the likes of Cowley having a moan up is just funny.
What is key is that O’Leary and Ashton come across to me as extremely professional and are very experienced in the game. They have delivered what they promised to date and make the previous chaotic ownership look as competent as Fawlty Towers by comparison.
This is the best time to be an Ipswich supporter in 20 years. All we need is Mr Cook to deliver a good team and we will truly be up and running. |  | | |
| Another gem last night was Ashton clearing up ChequeBook FC by confirming... on 09:14 - Jul 31 with 1677 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Did anyone ask how much he and the cabal of backroom staff have added to the salary - and what if anything the chairman is doing and taking out of the club?
However you cut it there cannot be a reduction in the wage bill simply because so many players were out of contract. The flannel being pushed out by the man in the open neck shirt was taking into account 'loyalty payments' etc IF any of the old lags were re-signed. Don't forget the players in purdah - they too will be on some of the highest wages at the club.
It's a fresh start with a bunch of generally-looking capable players in a league devastated by Covid - all paid for by debt. Its a bit like chaging credit cards - all seems well for a while. But Cook didn't inspire much confidence with his isiocy last season - and will presumably revert to type IF things dont go as well as expected.
But a bit more honesty would be helpful in my humble opinion at these rubbish Q&A sessions | |
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