| Anti-vaxxers 22:59 - Aug 3 with 7994 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Just based on Twitter and the viral tweets.. there seems to be quite a vocal section of society now (obviously it’s still a minority) that are massively against the covid vax.
Which got me thinking.. do we have any on here? Not people who just don’t want it but the nutters who are protesting against it or very vocally against it. Would have thought we would with so many posters per day on TWTD but I can’t say I’ve seen any.
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| Anti-vaxxers on 12:47 - Aug 4 with 1480 views | Digger77 |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:42 - Aug 4 by Ewan_Oozami |
There are vaccinations available for bacterial meningitis available for young people as well....
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/meningitis/vaccination/
Young people in the UK are very used to having vaccinations from an early age, not sure why the Covid one should be any different as far as the vast majority are concerned? |
Because the covid "vaccine" is very different to the previous ones.
What are the long term effects of the covid jabs? |  | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:50 - Aug 4 with 1466 views | MattinLondon |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:47 - Aug 4 by Digger77 |
Because the covid "vaccine" is very different to the previous ones.
What are the long term effects of the covid jabs? |
You get to go out. |  | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:52 - Aug 4 with 1450 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:47 - Aug 4 by Digger77 |
Because the covid "vaccine" is very different to the previous ones.
What are the long term effects of the covid jabs? |
What are the arguments against the vaccine from anti-vaxxers?
Side-effects? Whilst there is an element of the unknown/unknowable here, how do they compare with the effects of catching Covid and the unknown/unknowable longer term effects there too?
Disbelief in the existence of Covid. How do people come to this conclusion and still function in society?
Is there something about use of foetal Stem cells in the vaccine production? Not looked into it but heard something on this. Is this for all the vaccines and what exactly does this mean? I think it is an argument based on the sanctity of life.
Are there any other arguments against vaccination aside from individual cases where the vaccine is medically not advised (people with serious health conditions already)? |  |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 12:54 - Aug 4 with 1434 views | giant_stow |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:47 - Aug 4 by Digger77 |
Because the covid "vaccine" is very different to the previous ones.
What are the long term effects of the covid jabs? |
I have to take some fairly meaty pills to tackle my OCD and often wonder about the long term affects of those. But then I remember I'd be bvggered without them in the here and now, so take them and get on with life.
Obviously others are perfectly entitled to feel differently, but sometimes, you just have to take the plunge. |  |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 12:56 - Aug 4 with 1421 views | itfc48 |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:42 - Aug 4 by Ewan_Oozami |
There are vaccinations available for bacterial meningitis available for young people as well....
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/meningitis/vaccination/
Young people in the UK are very used to having vaccinations from an early age, not sure why the Covid one should be any different as far as the vast majority are concerned? |
Yeah I'm aware, my point was more there's not a direct comparison as from a young person's point of view, bacterial meningitis is highly deadly whilst for the majority of young people Covid will be symptomless or appear like a bad cold/flu.
You've also got the fact that the meningitis vaccine is highly established whilst this one is still in a trial phase for some time yet and is using MRNA which is a new technology.
I think not just with vaccines but on topics such as religion etc it's important to understand why people having differing beliefs so you can inform opinion/address fears. Just telling someone they are wrong won't change anything. Some people will have legitimate concerns due to people close to them having bad experiences.
I know health professionals who have had to deal with some of the blood clots and other issues and I would totally back any of them if they were hesitant given their experiences.
There's no defending the likes of Piers Corbyn and that former nurse though. They're just mad. | | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:57 - Aug 4 with 1416 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:47 - Aug 4 by Digger77 |
Because the covid "vaccine" is very different to the previous ones.
What are the long term effects of the covid jabs? |
By far the biggest long-term effect of having the covid jabs is that the vast majority of people who have the jabs will not get life-threatening covid. |  |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 12:57 - Aug 4 with 1414 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:54 - Aug 4 by giant_stow |
I have to take some fairly meaty pills to tackle my OCD and often wonder about the long term affects of those. But then I remember I'd be bvggered without them in the here and now, so take them and get on with life.
Obviously others are perfectly entitled to feel differently, but sometimes, you just have to take the plunge. |
I suspect those pills have been in use and tested over a longer period of time. This is the argument with this vaccine - that it has not been studied for as long and so the effects are unknowable.
I am not sure so many think it through to the same degree when the effect of microwaves in Bluetooth devices are considered. It is strange how we worry about some things much more than very similar other ones. | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 12:59 - Aug 4 with 1408 views | Digger77 |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:54 - Aug 4 by giant_stow |
I have to take some fairly meaty pills to tackle my OCD and often wonder about the long term affects of those. But then I remember I'd be bvggered without them in the here and now, so take them and get on with life.
Obviously others are perfectly entitled to feel differently, but sometimes, you just have to take the plunge. |
I agree, it's a personal choice. Some people will decide the risk vs benefit is worth it.
It's understandable that others will not want to take a treatment that nobody knows the long term effects of.
It doesn't make them bad people. | | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 13:02 - Aug 4 with 1392 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:56 - Aug 4 by itfc48 |
Yeah I'm aware, my point was more there's not a direct comparison as from a young person's point of view, bacterial meningitis is highly deadly whilst for the majority of young people Covid will be symptomless or appear like a bad cold/flu.
You've also got the fact that the meningitis vaccine is highly established whilst this one is still in a trial phase for some time yet and is using MRNA which is a new technology.
I think not just with vaccines but on topics such as religion etc it's important to understand why people having differing beliefs so you can inform opinion/address fears. Just telling someone they are wrong won't change anything. Some people will have legitimate concerns due to people close to them having bad experiences.
I know health professionals who have had to deal with some of the blood clots and other issues and I would totally back any of them if they were hesitant given their experiences.
There's no defending the likes of Piers Corbyn and that former nurse though. They're just mad. |
Not sure that it is any more "highly deadly" when around 4-10% of severe cases (which themselves are around 1 in 100,000) lead to death. Are the Coronavirus figures really any better? | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 13:04 - Aug 4 with 1387 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:59 - Aug 4 by Digger77 |
I agree, it's a personal choice. Some people will decide the risk vs benefit is worth it.
It's understandable that others will not want to take a treatment that nobody knows the long term effects of.
It doesn't make them bad people. |
I just wonder how consistent they are with that stance. E.g. use of new technology such as Bluetooth devices. | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 13:04 - Aug 4 with 1387 views | giant_stow |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:57 - Aug 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I suspect those pills have been in use and tested over a longer period of time. This is the argument with this vaccine - that it has not been studied for as long and so the effects are unknowable.
I am not sure so many think it through to the same degree when the effect of microwaves in Bluetooth devices are considered. It is strange how we worry about some things much more than very similar other ones. |
I totally get that, but testing the vaccines over a long period of time is not an option, so we're all left with a fairly simple choice.
(I think my pills may have been on the market for 20 odd years, so a while, probably still not long enough to have certainty on their truly long term effects) | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 13:06 - Aug 4 with 1367 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anti-vaxxers on 13:04 - Aug 4 by giant_stow |
I totally get that, but testing the vaccines over a long period of time is not an option, so we're all left with a fairly simple choice.
(I think my pills may have been on the market for 20 odd years, so a while, probably still not long enough to have certainty on their truly long term effects) |
They will also have been far less widely used so there is a sense of that giving less rigour.
I guess my point is that we are beginning to discuss risk assessments and balance of risks and that the vast majority have very little understanding of that at all. | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 14:11 - Aug 4 with 1283 views | CaptainAhab |
The problem with the vast majority of anti-vaxxers (and unfortunately I believe the number is growing) is that there is absolutely no argument that will convince them they're wrong. It's quite clever in a way how the ring leaders and spreaders of this anti-science logic have played it. Any argument counter to their beliefs can be dismissed as mainstream media or big pharma propaganda and anyone who disagrees are sheep or shills. To them WE'RE the stupid ones.
I have a regular customer in my shop who I always knew had "alternative" views, but this has absolutely brought out the worst in him, and I suspect, many others. Also because he has done thorough "research" he's impossible to debate with. He was telling me how stupid people are for wearing masks because of some such study or other and although I knew it was utter horsecr*p I couldn't actually counter him as I don't have a similar level of confidence in my assertions, or the exact figures to hand to prove him wrong. A perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect!
I would disagree that it's purely the stupid in society who fall for it unfortunately, although many of them evidently are. | | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 15:37 - Aug 4 with 1214 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:47 - Aug 4 by Digger77 |
Because the covid "vaccine" is very different to the previous ones.
What are the long term effects of the covid jabs? |
What would have been the long term effect if nobody had had a Covid vaccine anywhere in the world?
<Satire Mode On>
What are the long term effects of solar panels on your roof? BRAIN CANCER IN 30 YEARS MAYBE!!!!!
What are the long term effects of lithium batteries in your pocket? TESTICULAR CANCER??? NOBODY KNOWS!!!
What are the long term effects of Walkers Max Jalapeno Cheese flavour crisps? NOTE: not just any crisps, but specifically that flavour: how will eating one today effect me in 30 years time? NOBODY KNOWS, DO THEY??? NOBODY ATE THEM 30 YEARS AGO SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY EFFECT FERTILITY/BRAIN CANCER/etc etc etc.
<Satire Mode Off>
I can have a modicum of respect for Anti Vaxxers who have been long-term, organic-only Vegans, as there is consistency there. Anti Vaxxers who smoke, or drink, or do drugs that have been cut with who knows what, or drink Zero Sugar soft drinks with Aspartame in, or eat ultra-processed food, are low rent Lawrence Foxes, contrarian, culture warriors who are desperately seeking relevance in a world that they find slightly bewildering, because they do plenty of things which are known to damage their long-term health but choose vaccines as the one to make a fuss about.
And, just like with Brexit, they are doing Putin's job for him. | | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 15:45 - Aug 4 with 1193 views | bluelagos |
| Anti-vaxxers on 13:04 - Aug 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I just wonder how consistent they are with that stance. E.g. use of new technology such as Bluetooth devices. |
I once met a bloke who imports/sells/distributes wrist bands and "dots" that protect you from the microwaves emitted by mobile phones.
He highlighted all sorts of risks from mobiles constantly looking for bluetooth / mobile signal / wifi / GPS etc. and these frying your brains.
It was his business and he seemed 100% sold on the dangers and had quite a steady patter tbf. |  |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 15:47 - Aug 4 with 1183 views | wkj |
| Anti-vaxxers on 15:45 - Aug 4 by bluelagos |
I once met a bloke who imports/sells/distributes wrist bands and "dots" that protect you from the microwaves emitted by mobile phones.
He highlighted all sorts of risks from mobiles constantly looking for bluetooth / mobile signal / wifi / GPS etc. and these frying your brains.
It was his business and he seemed 100% sold on the dangers and had quite a steady patter tbf. |
Pretty astonishing really. You're more likely to get ill from standing close to a microwave than the frequencies that BluTooth operates on. |  |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 15:49 - Aug 4 with 1179 views | bluelagos |
| Anti-vaxxers on 15:47 - Aug 4 by wkj |
Pretty astonishing really. You're more likely to get ill from standing close to a microwave than the frequencies that BluTooth operates on. |
He did struggle to convince me how a wristband would protect me, but seemingly he'd sold a fair few.
A fool and his money... | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 15:52 - Aug 4 with 1167 views | wkj |
| Anti-vaxxers on 15:49 - Aug 4 by bluelagos |
He did struggle to convince me how a wristband would protect me, but seemingly he'd sold a fair few.
A fool and his money... |
The placebo effect is quite real with a lot of holistic medicine, but unless that dot was somehow lead, and covered someone's entire body, I don't think there is any chance it will do anything. | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 16:00 - Aug 4 with 1142 views | WD19 |
| Anti-vaxxers on 12:59 - Aug 4 by Digger77 |
I agree, it's a personal choice. Some people will decide the risk vs benefit is worth it.
It's understandable that others will not want to take a treatment that nobody knows the long term effects of.
It doesn't make them bad people. |
The expert medical advice could not be clearer. For anyone 16+ the benefits of taking the vaccine outweigh the risks. Anyone doing the opposite of the advice is not making an 'understandable' decision at all. They are being contrary - to the detriment of themselves and others.
Knowingly choosing to take an action that puts yourself at greater risk is personal choice. People go base jumping after all.
Knowingly choosing to take an action that puts others at greater risk is a different matter altogether. I am not sure how you square that with them being charming people!? |  | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 16:09 - Aug 4 with 1115 views | bluelagos |
| Anti-vaxxers on 16:00 - Aug 4 by WD19 |
The expert medical advice could not be clearer. For anyone 16+ the benefits of taking the vaccine outweigh the risks. Anyone doing the opposite of the advice is not making an 'understandable' decision at all. They are being contrary - to the detriment of themselves and others.
Knowingly choosing to take an action that puts yourself at greater risk is personal choice. People go base jumping after all.
Knowingly choosing to take an action that puts others at greater risk is a different matter altogether. I am not sure how you square that with them being charming people!? |
Do you not approve of base jumping WD? Good luck to 'em I reckon :-) Wish I had the balls! | |
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| Anti-vaxxers on 16:56 - Aug 4 with 1065 views | shady |
Some people want to believe.
They believe their football team is the best
A horse they’ve backed at 100/1 can’t lose.
This leaves them open to all manner of rats and cockroaches…
from political zealots, medical quackery, and religious opportunists.
They need to learn some discrimination and read alternative news sources.
Only conversing with like-minded types, whom social media/google has set them up to befriend spells doom; in a loop of frenetic rodents stuck on a wheel.
Although it’s considered nerdy and boring scientific theories are proven by experiments and are true.
These cuckoos are looking at the 100,000/1 chance of problems rather than the obvious advantages proved by science.
Oh! you don’t need to be brainless to believe this nonsense
…I have lost friends with doctorates who have gone over to the dark side and are now lost souls. |  | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 17:47 - Aug 4 with 1032 views | DinDjarin |
| Anti-vaxxers on 16:56 - Aug 4 by shady |
Some people want to believe.
They believe their football team is the best
A horse they’ve backed at 100/1 can’t lose.
This leaves them open to all manner of rats and cockroaches…
from political zealots, medical quackery, and religious opportunists.
They need to learn some discrimination and read alternative news sources.
Only conversing with like-minded types, whom social media/google has set them up to befriend spells doom; in a loop of frenetic rodents stuck on a wheel.
Although it’s considered nerdy and boring scientific theories are proven by experiments and are true.
These cuckoos are looking at the 100,000/1 chance of problems rather than the obvious advantages proved by science.
Oh! you don’t need to be brainless to believe this nonsense
…I have lost friends with doctorates who have gone over to the dark side and are now lost souls. |
Maybe they think the same thing? |  | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 18:15 - Aug 4 with 1019 views | MJR101 |
| Anti-vaxxers on 09:10 - Aug 4 by WD19 |
I upvoted it specifically because of the tone. I am becoming more militant by the day. We need to stop indulging sentiment that places the individuals ego above the health and welfare of others. |
This. | | | |
| Anti-vaxxers on 18:31 - Aug 4 with 1002 views | jas0999 |
Folk are entitled to their opinion. But I’m afraid some people will protest against anything, either to be awkward or just to have a differing view. As you say, it’s a minority, but you will get that with most things. | | | |
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