| A resigning matter surely? 10:08 - Aug 19 with 3347 views | bluelagos |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:21 - Aug 19 with 2671 views | Swansea_Blue |
If incompetence leading to death and suffering was a resigning matter, they'd all have gone a long time ago. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:24 - Aug 19 with 2654 views | MJallday |
You don’t think they would have done that, with or without Raab intervention? |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:49 - Aug 19 with 2537 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know if I'm missing something, but Raab was on holiday so another minister made the call instead? I'm not sure what the problem with this is. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:51 - Aug 19 with 2525 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:24 - Aug 19 by MJallday |
You don’t think they would have done that, with or without Raab intervention? |
Surprisingly, apparently the PM and several others genuinely thought the Taliban would uphold the 'peace' deal struck by Trump and wouldn't regress into old habits. Incredibly naive imo. The Taliban must be amazed at how easy it's been to take over the country. | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:53 - Aug 19 with 2512 views | Herbivore |
Disgraceful, but cabinet ministers these days don't do accountability. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:56 - Aug 19 with 2479 views | itfcjoe |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:49 - Aug 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know if I'm missing something, but Raab was on holiday so another minister made the call instead? I'm not sure what the problem with this is. |
Raab was told to make the call on Friday, but assigned it to a Junior Minister. Afghan wouldn't speak to Junior Minister as needed to speak to the head, so call didn't happen for a further 36 hours.
Instruction to Raab was effectively to agree to just let translators and those who had been helping Allied forces get onto planes without documents to just get them out of their ASAP so time was off the essence.
In his role, he shouldn't have been away. Johnson had to be talked out of going away on Saturday after it was obvious what was happenign by senior cabinet and number 10 staff.
Serious times call for serious people |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:57 - Aug 19 with 2480 views | ElderGrizzly |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:49 - Aug 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know if I'm missing something, but Raab was on holiday so another minister made the call instead? I'm not sure what the problem with this is. |
That's not how these things work (or are supposed to work) on issues like this.
Even as a Civil Servant in the same department, certain issues don't get handled by a more junior colleague. They come to me no matter where I am. |  | | |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:58 - Aug 19 with 2454 views | giant_stow |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:49 - Aug 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know if I'm missing something, but Raab was on holiday so another minister made the call instead? I'm not sure what the problem with this is. |
The version of the story I read suggested that Rabb's underling wouldn't have the respect of their counterpart because of a lack of seniority. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 10:59 - Aug 19 with 2442 views | GlasgowBlue |
Raab, Johnson and Biden should all resign imo. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 11:00 - Aug 19 with 2444 views | Herbivore |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:56 - Aug 19 by itfcjoe |
Raab was told to make the call on Friday, but assigned it to a Junior Minister. Afghan wouldn't speak to Junior Minister as needed to speak to the head, so call didn't happen for a further 36 hours.
Instruction to Raab was effectively to agree to just let translators and those who had been helping Allied forces get onto planes without documents to just get them out of their ASAP so time was off the essence.
In his role, he shouldn't have been away. Johnson had to be talked out of going away on Saturday after it was obvious what was happenign by senior cabinet and number 10 staff.
Serious times call for serious people |
It's incredible how little regard they seem to have for the business of running the country. And people voted for this shower of sh!te. | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 11:02 - Aug 19 with 2433 views | SouperJim |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:49 - Aug 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know if I'm missing something, but Raab was on holiday so another minister made the call instead? I'm not sure what the problem with this is. |
The problem is lives are on the line. The Taliban will torture these people to death. Raab is the foreign secretary, it's his bloody responsibility and he's chosen to remain on holiday.
And some people question this cabinet's moral integrity... |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 11:19 - Aug 19 with 2323 views | Guthrum |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:51 - Aug 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Surprisingly, apparently the PM and several others genuinely thought the Taliban would uphold the 'peace' deal struck by Trump and wouldn't regress into old habits. Incredibly naive imo. The Taliban must be amazed at how easy it's been to take over the country. |
Also have to take into account that the Taliban are not a monolithic organisation. Well, the core is, but their forces are made up with allies (e.g. the Haqqani Network) and local militias.
Thus what the leadership are sayng in Kabul may not be reflected in what's happening on the ground, particularly in the provinces.
Wouldn't be the first time in situations of foreign occupation and civil war that victorious troops have taken revenge upon their opponents, irrespective of official policy. All depends upon how much control the Taliban leadership can (and want to) exert. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 11:21 - Aug 19 with 2306 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:56 - Aug 19 by itfcjoe |
Raab was told to make the call on Friday, but assigned it to a Junior Minister. Afghan wouldn't speak to Junior Minister as needed to speak to the head, so call didn't happen for a further 36 hours.
Instruction to Raab was effectively to agree to just let translators and those who had been helping Allied forces get onto planes without documents to just get them out of their ASAP so time was off the essence.
In his role, he shouldn't have been away. Johnson had to be talked out of going away on Saturday after it was obvious what was happenign by senior cabinet and number 10 staff.
Serious times call for serious people |
Fair enough, thanks for the explanation. In that case I see no reason why Raab couldn't do it, even if he WAS on holiday. It's not difficult to make the call like you say. | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 11:50 - Aug 19 with 2199 views | ElderGrizzly |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:56 - Aug 19 by itfcjoe |
Raab was told to make the call on Friday, but assigned it to a Junior Minister. Afghan wouldn't speak to Junior Minister as needed to speak to the head, so call didn't happen for a further 36 hours.
Instruction to Raab was effectively to agree to just let translators and those who had been helping Allied forces get onto planes without documents to just get them out of their ASAP so time was off the essence.
In his role, he shouldn't have been away. Johnson had to be talked out of going away on Saturday after it was obvious what was happenign by senior cabinet and number 10 staff.
Serious times call for serious people |
It's a complete disregard for the cultural aspect of how this works from Raab, which is shocking given where he works (which is also where I work)
They want the 'chief'. This is just laziness from him. | | | |
| A resigning matter surely? on 13:01 - Aug 19 with 2067 views | Illinoisblue |
The real mystery is how incompetent charlatans such as Raab and Hancock ever got to be in positions of power. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 13:12 - Aug 19 with 2019 views | ElderGrizzly |
| A resigning matter surely? on 13:01 - Aug 19 by Illinoisblue |
The real mystery is how incompetent charlatans such as Raab and Hancock ever got to be in positions of power. |
It's not really a mystery. They are in power because certain lobbyists and influencers want them to be in power | | | |
| A resigning matter surely? on 13:16 - Aug 19 with 1990 views | Mullet |
| A resigning matter surely? on 13:01 - Aug 19 by Illinoisblue |
The real mystery is how incompetent charlatans such as Raab and Hancock ever got to be in positions of power. |
Happy to bend the knee, ironically enough. They're absolute scumbags, a number of this government should be on trial for various corruptions and perversions of justice etc. Let alone simply sacked for incompetence. |  |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 13:19 - Aug 19 with 1960 views | Herbivore |
| A resigning matter surely? on 13:01 - Aug 19 by Illinoisblue |
The real mystery is how incompetent charlatans such as Raab and Hancock ever got to be in positions of power. |
It's really easy to understand. Populists need people who are willing to be completely subservient and who have no scruples whatsoever. Being competent and having a moral compass would rule you out of a position in the current cabinet. | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 13:30 - Aug 19 with 1896 views | HARRY10 |
| A resigning matter surely? on 10:49 - Aug 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know if I'm missing something, but Raab was on holiday so another minister made the call instead? I'm not sure what the problem with this is. |
I expect that sounded quite clever.....in your head |  | | |
| A resigning matter surely? on 15:00 - Aug 19 with 1695 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A resigning matter surely? on 13:30 - Aug 19 by HARRY10 |
I expect that sounded quite clever.....in your head |
Why are you always so angry? Dolly wasn't aware of the full context when he wrote his post. Now he is and has responded accordingly. | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 15:04 - Aug 19 with 1683 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| A resigning matter surely? on 13:30 - Aug 19 by HARRY10 |
I expect that sounded quite clever.....in your head |
eh? It was the very opposite of clever - I quite clearly stated I might be missing something, and then Joe (and others) explained. | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 15:18 - Aug 19 with 1644 views | HARRY10 |
| A resigning matter surely? on 15:00 - Aug 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Why are you always so angry? Dolly wasn't aware of the full context when he wrote his post. Now he is and has responded accordingly. |
is that anger ?
wasn't when I posted, but if it makes you feel you are defending a fellow rightie then do carry on
as to the 'full context, or had ignored what was all across the media, you mean | | | |
| A resigning matter surely? on 15:20 - Aug 19 with 1626 views | itfcjoe |
| A resigning matter surely? on 15:18 - Aug 19 by HARRY10 |
is that anger ?
wasn't when I posted, but if it makes you feel you are defending a fellow rightie then do carry on
as to the 'full context, or had ignored what was all across the media, you mean |
You must be a parody account | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 15:22 - Aug 19 with 1612 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| A resigning matter surely? on 15:18 - Aug 19 by HARRY10 |
is that anger ?
wasn't when I posted, but if it makes you feel you are defending a fellow rightie then do carry on
as to the 'full context, or had ignored what was all across the media, you mean |
I haven't looked at the news in depth, that's why I asked if I'd missed something.
Also RIGHTIE?!? Are you new here? The idea that I'm a rightie is one of the funniest things I've seen posted for a long time! | |
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| A resigning matter surely? on 15:39 - Aug 19 with 1543 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| A resigning matter surely? on 15:22 - Aug 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't looked at the news in depth, that's why I asked if I'd missed something.
Also RIGHTIE?!? Are you new here? The idea that I'm a rightie is one of the funniest things I've seen posted for a long time! |
Since when was "and what side does sir dress?" added to the standard TWTD questions (favourite cheese, Kuqi/Counago, etc)? |  |
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