| Well....having reflected on our start to the season 17:53 - Oct 2 with 7467 views | homer_123 |
and the period following Cooks appointment.
That'll do for me, time for a change.
The squad assembled is ridiculous for this level...the backroom is questionable and that really needs to be addressed.
For whatever reason he cannot seem to get us into any kind of consistent form.
I like him, he seems utterly genuine and clearly wants it to work...he has the pedigree but it's not working.
I think we need a change now though. |  |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:38 - Oct 2 with 1871 views | backwaywhen |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:04 - Oct 2 by Simonds92 |
I just dont know who an earth would be a better bet. Cooks CV stands out as the most successful manager in the league. Players came here for Cook and if we had any other manager i dont think we'd have been able to attract them to the club. I want us to get out of this league but i really dont want to revert to a Mick style manager now either. I hope we turn the corner because I can't see an alternative. |
Liam Richardson ….. there is the answer . |  | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:38 - Oct 2 with 1871 views | Stewart27 |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:14 - Oct 2 by positivity |
i wouldn't bet against it shifting again! |
Of course it would shift again. What’s your point?!
We are where we are. He absolutely needed to win that today. Not winning B2B games in this league is utter tosh. We were high on Tuesday. Back down to earth now. We’ve seen them “gel”. We’ve won 2 games but we are back to square one today. Not through the result but the utterly useless performance. It’s not a one off though is it? | | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:45 - Oct 2 with 1850 views | Mullet |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:25 - Oct 2 by Simonds92 |
Disagree, Mick was successful with us and was the right man for the task in hand. Never the right fit for itfc long term though. |
He's the best manager in decades. Constantly doing that down or changing the criteria doesn't alter that fact. Cook is miles off a year as good as MM at his worst, let alone 5 or 6 decent ones. |  |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:50 - Oct 2 with 1836 views | solomon |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:05 - Oct 2 by positivity |
two weeks ago, you said he should go if he didn't win any of the next 3.
he won 2 and drew 1 and now you want him out! |
It’s the inconsistency that’s a real worry, the inconvenient truth is he’s failed to inspire anyone since his appointment. The table doesn’t lie and as such Mr Cooks fate is linked to it. To regain trust and belief he has to take us on a very very good run, evidence suggests this may not be possible and as such I think he is, in all probability finished here.
More than happy to be proved wrong. |  | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:51 - Oct 2 with 1836 views | positivity |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:38 - Oct 2 by backwaywhen |
Liam Richardson ….. there is the answer . |
not as good as leam imho | |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 19:40 - Oct 2 with 1763 views | fab_lover |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:50 - Oct 2 by solomon |
It’s the inconsistency that’s a real worry, the inconvenient truth is he’s failed to inspire anyone since his appointment. The table doesn’t lie and as such Mr Cooks fate is linked to it. To regain trust and belief he has to take us on a very very good run, evidence suggests this may not be possible and as such I think he is, in all probability finished here.
More than happy to be proved wrong. |
As a manager (not football, obviously) often I don't "get my own way". When that happens, I have to do the best I can with the battles I do win, and then point out what I think are the consequences of the decisions that don't go my way.
Paul Cook "got his own way" completely. Scrapped the team he had, got his own players in and his own backroom staff. Got the poor results he achieved last season written off. Got his "time to gel".
And this is what we have - just above the relegation zone. If I'd "got my own way" on everything, as he's done, and done this badly, frankly I'd offer my resignation because it would be down to me, and me alone. He's been given everything, and apart from one game against a knackered team, he's served up rubbish. With every game we drop points on, getting anything out of this season becomes harder and harder. No, I've got no idea who we replace him with, but the longer this goes on, the more we can kiss goodbye to getting out of this league any time soon. |  | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 20:25 - Oct 2 with 1715 views | BlueBadger |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:27 - Oct 2 by positivity |
but 7 points in 4 is progress, and his overall record is wonderful, so he might change your mind again, who knows! |
I think we're possibly into the realms of Roy Keane statistics, wherein one picks and chooses selectivly to show our form in it's best possible light when actually we're on a piss-poor run in reality |  |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 20:43 - Oct 2 with 1694 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:12 - Oct 2 by itfcjoe |
Whatever Cook’s CV is, sometimes you just have to accept things are a bad fit for whatever reason and won’t work - it’s felt that way for a while here.
Managers come and go, our squad is superb, if he can’t get anything out of it then let someone else have a go |
Are you firmly in the Cook Out camp now then Joe? |  |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 21:57 - Oct 2 with 1643 views | itfcjoe |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 20:43 - Oct 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Are you firmly in the Cook Out camp now then Joe? |
I try not to care too much about things out of my control - I still think he could get it right here, but if I woke up tomorrow and my phone was going mad saying he’d been sacked I wouldn’t be at all bothered |  |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 22:02 - Oct 2 with 1619 views | Oldboy |
The 3 previous games showed improvement, so I am willing to give him 3 more to see if he is up to it. |  | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 22:04 - Oct 2 with 1608 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:04 - Oct 2 by Simonds92 |
I just dont know who an earth would be a better bet. Cooks CV stands out as the most successful manager in the league. Players came here for Cook and if we had any other manager i dont think we'd have been able to attract them to the club. I want us to get out of this league but i really dont want to revert to a Mick style manager now either. I hope we turn the corner because I can't see an alternative. |
I think it is down to tactics and formation. Cook needs to be more pragmatic and it is beginning to worry me that he seems unable to change tack in a game. I think we should have changed formation once we scored today. Playing away with a brittle team we should have done something like going 5 at the back and hit them on the break. We have speedy Wingers and Wingbacks, the ideal formula to score breakaway goals. Maybe that was not the answer but Paul had no answer to stem the tide.
I really want Cook to succeed ( as I did Lambert ) but I am not seeing any signs of a cohesive and tenacious side. I will hold back on the 'Cook Out' for a little longer not least because quite a few of the players came because he was manager. Its soooooooo frustrating because we now have a really good Championship squad however seem not to have a clue how to get out of Division One. |  | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 22:08 - Oct 2 with 1597 views | Vaughan8 |
So people on here after Tuesday saying "The league will be scared of us now" to "lets sack the manager". Does make me laugh.
For me we've had signs of being decent but nowhere near enough. We can't keep letting 2 goals in. The last 3 was only 1 or 0 but the games before we let in 2 or more in all of them. Not sure if it is the defence or midfield as I have only seen one game and that was the Bolton game.
The stats showed we only had 2 shots all game which is pathetic really. | | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 22:29 - Oct 2 with 1548 views | Radlett_blue |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:08 - Oct 2 by pennyfathersleg |
I’m with you. But I had my doubts last season. We got worse when he took over.
His record with his players and a brand new team this season is worse than last seasons. He said those players weren’t good enough. I think it can now be put on one man. 12 games in and only 2 wins. Not good enough. He should never have broken our defence up from last season - it was the best in the league. |
I think part of the problem is that Cook was allowed to dismantle our squad, sign 20 new players so we now have a bunch of mercenaries who have no real attachment to the club. Also, they are relatively very well paid for this league so maybe they think all we have to do at places like Accrington, Cheltenham & Burton is turn up?
This is Cook's problem & he was shocked by the weakness of today's performance. Not sure where we go from here. |  |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 22:31 - Oct 2 with 1545 views | quad |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 18:30 - Oct 2 by timothyeo |
Certainly won't change mine. Still not shown hes capable of changing the direction of a game from the sidelines. Even with the ridiculous attacking talent at his disposal.
The bloke has been useless for us. |
Haven't seen you post anything after the previous 3 games. Easy to be the clever clogs after every time they lose isn't it? Thankyou Captain Hindsight. | | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:12 - Oct 2 with 1489 views | timothyeo |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 22:31 - Oct 2 by quad |
Haven't seen you post anything after the previous 3 games. Easy to be the clever clogs after every time they lose isn't it? Thankyou Captain Hindsight. |
No, I didnt post. I didnt think Cook had shown anything different, it was just the individual quality of players winning us points. Much like under Lambert.
But what point would there have been in me posting that? I'd just get the usual abuse. I dont need to be a clever clogs to see that Cook has been useless for us and offered no tactical improvements or performance cohesion.
As for captain hindsight, I called it after his disastrous spell last season when he blamed everything on the players.
We will still win games under Cook because our squad is that much better than the majority of the division. But that was true under Lambert at this level. We don't even look like getting promoted in spite of Cooks diabolical management, which occasionally did look possible under PL | | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:28 - Oct 2 with 1482 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 21:57 - Oct 2 by itfcjoe |
I try not to care too much about things out of my control - I still think he could get it right here, but if I woke up tomorrow and my phone was going mad saying he’d been sacked I wouldn’t be at all bothered |
"you just have to accept things are a bad fit for whatever reason and won’t work - it’s felt that way for a while here."
I'm not asking you to care too much. The above statement looks very much like you think he should go now. How can you say the above and then say, "I still think he could get it right here"? | |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:42 - Oct 2 with 1463 views | positivity |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 20:25 - Oct 2 by BlueBadger |
I think we're possibly into the realms of Roy Keane statistics, wherein one picks and chooses selectivly to show our form in it's best possible light when actually we're on a piss-poor run in reality |
we always will be.
if we win the next game 6-0 the cook-inners will say 10 in 5, fabulous form.
if we lose the one after that 1-0 the cook-outers will say 1 win in 3, sack everyone.
the truth is somewhere in between, and i'd give him a while longer to see which way the needle points then. this board is far too schizophrenic based on the most recent result | |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:45 - Oct 2 with 1459 views | timothyeo |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:28 - Oct 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"you just have to accept things are a bad fit for whatever reason and won’t work - it’s felt that way for a while here."
I'm not asking you to care too much. The above statement looks very much like you think he should go now. How can you say the above and then say, "I still think he could get it right here"? |
Because its his opinion? | | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:49 - Oct 2 with 1455 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:45 - Oct 2 by timothyeo |
Because its his opinion? |
I'm sure Joe can answer for himself, but what is his opinion? On the one hand he says "things are a bad fit for whatever reason and won’t work" and then in the next breath: "I still think he could get it right here." | |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 00:28 - Oct 3 with 1422 views | BlueBadger |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:42 - Oct 2 by positivity |
we always will be.
if we win the next game 6-0 the cook-inners will say 10 in 5, fabulous form.
if we lose the one after that 1-0 the cook-outers will say 1 win in 3, sack everyone.
the truth is somewhere in between, and i'd give him a while longer to see which way the needle points then. this board is far too schizophrenic based on the most recent result |
I don't think you can dress 2 wins in ten this season and 6 on 26 overall as anything other than 'piss poor' to be honest. | |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 07:35 - Oct 3 with 1349 views | itfcjoe |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 23:28 - Oct 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"you just have to accept things are a bad fit for whatever reason and won’t work - it’s felt that way for a while here."
I'm not asking you to care too much. The above statement looks very much like you think he should go now. How can you say the above and then say, "I still think he could get it right here"? |
It’s not black and white, it just doesn’t feel for whatever reason that he’s a good fit and sometimes best thing you can do is move on and move on quickly
That doesn’t mean that with more time he won’t get it right as the squad is surely a bit too good to fail.
If I were to put my colours to the mast as to what I think will happen I’d say we’ll improve but not by enough to make the top 6 of Cook gets the season | |
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 07:58 - Oct 3 with 1324 views | BlueandAllWhite |
My frustration is with the way we play and that comes down to one man.
We have two options when we regain possession (inevitably) in the 18 yard box, we either have Morsey drop in and pick the ball up or we launch it long neither of which we execute in a way to make it a winning play.
When we go to Morsy, the centre backs pull out to make room but our full backs are often behind Morsy as well so he turns and looks to play forward but he has only 5 players ahead of him and (often) 9 of the opposition team. Playing a flat back 4 even in possession is killing us but it's not as bad as when we go long.
If Shrewsbury want 3 points at Portman next weekend they need to do one thing only -scour the first team reserves and youth sides for anyone taller than about 6'3 and win 80% of possession. 70% of the time we go long off Hladky, Burgess, Edmondson or the full backs and 80% of that time the opposition team have a height advantage, win a competitive header and we're defending again with the opposition having all the momentum.
With the squad we have we should be holding 60-70% possession in a game, opposition like Accrington or Cheltenham shouldn't have enough possession to be a threat to us, instead we watch meandering lumps wander around the pitch under no pressure until they get a chance.
This is a squad that on paper should be competitive in the Championship but we're barely competitive vs the sides that have come up from league 2 and are expected to be bounced.
I don't see how you spend that much money to serve up such unwatchable trash at a glorified pub league level and keep your job.
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 08:14 - Oct 3 with 1291 views | Churchman |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 07:35 - Oct 3 by itfcjoe |
It’s not black and white, it just doesn’t feel for whatever reason that he’s a good fit and sometimes best thing you can do is move on and move on quickly
That doesn’t mean that with more time he won’t get it right as the squad is surely a bit too good to fail.
If I were to put my colours to the mast as to what I think will happen I’d say we’ll improve but not by enough to make the top 6 of Cook gets the season |
I agree. Something doesn’t feel right with Cook and this club. I have no idea why it feels such a poor fit, but If this is the case then the sooner both parties move on, the better.
In my view, mid table is looking to be a stretch this season now. If this squad, to use your words is ‘a bit too good to fail’, then surely anything less than top six represents failure, let alone bumping along the bottom of League One. While this is very black and white the table doesn’t lie after ten games.
If by the end of the season the team is challenging for the top six and growing as a team (and as a club) then it maybe worth sticking with him. If it’s still the same old dogs dinner, stop reinforcing failure and move on.
When Cook came here, I thought hello, good track record, knows what he is doing, all good. While he still has a good track record, he looks clueless to me. Fingers crossed it improves and fast. It’s all very disappointing. |  | | |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 08:42 - Oct 3 with 1271 views | Dyland |
Nope, not yet. End of October, and still not finding consistency then surely he’ll go.
Having put in three better performances albeit still a bit disjointed (except Donny obvs) I am looking at yesterday as the blip. Doesn’t give Cook a free hit though and we need to be top six this season.
I’m finding it difficult to be sanguine and patient with ITFC any more. Every time there’s a little hope it’s knocked out of me. Football for the most part of fifteen years has now been the thing in my life that brings me down more than up and all the other things, family friends fun work etc, allow me to balance and reflect I’m relatively very lucky. I’d really like footy to give me some consistent pleasure.
If I could just turn my love of Town off like a light switch I am at the stage now when I would. That makes me wryly sad. But I can’t turn it off. Football eh?
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| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 08:51 - Oct 3 with 1240 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Well....having reflected on our start to the season on 07:35 - Oct 3 by itfcjoe |
It’s not black and white, it just doesn’t feel for whatever reason that he’s a good fit and sometimes best thing you can do is move on and move on quickly
That doesn’t mean that with more time he won’t get it right as the squad is surely a bit too good to fail.
If I were to put my colours to the mast as to what I think will happen I’d say we’ll improve but not by enough to make the top 6 of Cook gets the season |
In which case he should be sacked now? | |
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