| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14707 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:21 - Nov 1 with 951 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 11:57 - Nov 1 by itfcjoe |
When a lot of the fanbase seems content with having another season in this division already the very last thing we need to do is "lower our expectations".
It's embarrassing, and a stain on our club to be in this division - Cook will rightly be feeling the pressure |
Being realistic doesn't mean we're content with it. And what's embarrassing is this entitled attitude like we somehow 'deserve' to be in a higher division. Why? |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:31 - Nov 1 with 933 views | jayessess |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:21 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Being realistic doesn't mean we're content with it. And what's embarrassing is this entitled attitude like we somehow 'deserve' to be in a higher division. Why? |
We're the 7th best-supported club in the entire EFL and are massively under-performing the resources available to us - by about 30 places in the football league. We deserve to be where we are, but let's not pretend that it isn't massively embarrassing being here.
Realistic? I don't think it's realistic to imagine that most managerial appointments dramatically improve if you just give them enough patience. We hope it might, but it's not realism that's driving that hope. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:36 - Nov 1 with 910 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:21 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Being realistic doesn't mean we're content with it. And what's embarrassing is this entitled attitude like we somehow 'deserve' to be in a higher division. Why? |
It's embarrassing to be so far below the level we should be at - the same as it is for other clubs in other leagues like SHeff Weds in this one and Bradford in the one below.
Sadly we don't deserve to be in a higher league, but the only way we continue to stay here is by further chronic mismanagement on and off the field. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:37 - Nov 1 with 902 views | AlanG296 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:31 - Nov 1 by jayessess |
We're the 7th best-supported club in the entire EFL and are massively under-performing the resources available to us - by about 30 places in the football league. We deserve to be where we are, but let's not pretend that it isn't massively embarrassing being here.
Realistic? I don't think it's realistic to imagine that most managerial appointments dramatically improve if you just give them enough patience. We hope it might, but it's not realism that's driving that hope. |
"embarrassing" What a weird word to use. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:46 - Nov 1 with 865 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:31 - Nov 1 by jayessess |
We're the 7th best-supported club in the entire EFL and are massively under-performing the resources available to us - by about 30 places in the football league. We deserve to be where we are, but let's not pretend that it isn't massively embarrassing being here.
Realistic? I don't think it's realistic to imagine that most managerial appointments dramatically improve if you just give them enough patience. We hope it might, but it's not realism that's driving that hope. |
No, but you have to give them SOME patience. How many managers turn things round overnight?
The resources have become great only very recently. Evans, despite the millions he put in, struggled to spend enough to keep us competitive. That's why i don't blame Mick for his turgid football - he did his best with the resources available.
Anyway, none of this is Cook's fault, other than you might argue he should've done better with Lambert's old squad. I accept that's a reasonable view held by many, including mates of mine. The alternative view, that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, is also reasonable. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:49 - Nov 1 with 859 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:36 - Nov 1 by itfcjoe |
It's embarrassing to be so far below the level we should be at - the same as it is for other clubs in other leagues like SHeff Weds in this one and Bradford in the one below.
Sadly we don't deserve to be in a higher league, but the only way we continue to stay here is by further chronic mismanagement on and off the field. |
You feel like the management on and off the field is being chronically MISmanaged?! | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:49 - Nov 1 with 858 views | positivity |
first 5 games this season- 3 points
2nd 5- 7 points
3rd 5- 10 points
keep this up and we'll be alright... | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:50 - Nov 1 with 853 views | blueboyd |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:49 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You feel like the management on and off the field is being chronically MISmanaged?! |
Cook mismanaged the exit of of the younger players, he mismanages at times nearly every game with no plan B... | | | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:52 - Nov 1 with 842 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:49 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You feel like the management on and off the field is being chronically MISmanaged?! |
The club has been chronically mismanaged and that is why we are in League 1 | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:55 - Nov 1 with 827 views | positivity |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:52 - Nov 1 by itfcjoe |
The club has been chronically mismanaged and that is why we are in League 1 |
it seems better managed now, agree?
as you say, it was *chronically* mismanaged (for a decade or more) and that oil tanker won't be turned around that quickly | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:56 - Nov 1 with 824 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:52 - Nov 1 by itfcjoe |
The club has been chronically mismanaged and that is why we are in League 1 |
Well that's neither Gamechanger's OR Cook's fault. [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 13:57]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 14:38 - Nov 1 with 763 views | jayessess |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:46 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, but you have to give them SOME patience. How many managers turn things round overnight?
The resources have become great only very recently. Evans, despite the millions he put in, struggled to spend enough to keep us competitive. That's why i don't blame Mick for his turgid football - he did his best with the resources available.
Anyway, none of this is Cook's fault, other than you might argue he should've done better with Lambert's old squad. I accept that's a reasonable view held by many, including mates of mine. The alternative view, that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, is also reasonable. |
A lack of resources was one of the reasons we got relegated to League One, it wasn't the reason we ended up staying here. We were always massively over-resourced for this division, any club that gets 20k through the door and isn't in the throes of bankruptcy is.
That's the main reason I've relatively little patience for our current predicament. Getting us out of this division isn't an especially tough managerial gig - not in the way that getting Coventry, Luton, Peterborough or Blackpool is. You don't have to be unearthing diamonds for a pittance, massively improving players on the training ground or working out brilliant tactical plans to overcome teams with much better individuals. Mark Robins, Nathan Jones, Darren Ferguson and Neil Critchley had to produce A+ management performances to win the division.
Here, you can recruit ready made players to fit your system, players who are already above the level your rivals can recruit. You're simply being called to translate off field advantages into on field ones. Even winning the division here would be B+ management performance, nothing more. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 14:47 - Nov 1 with 746 views | footers |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 14:38 - Nov 1 by jayessess |
A lack of resources was one of the reasons we got relegated to League One, it wasn't the reason we ended up staying here. We were always massively over-resourced for this division, any club that gets 20k through the door and isn't in the throes of bankruptcy is.
That's the main reason I've relatively little patience for our current predicament. Getting us out of this division isn't an especially tough managerial gig - not in the way that getting Coventry, Luton, Peterborough or Blackpool is. You don't have to be unearthing diamonds for a pittance, massively improving players on the training ground or working out brilliant tactical plans to overcome teams with much better individuals. Mark Robins, Nathan Jones, Darren Ferguson and Neil Critchley had to produce A+ management performances to win the division.
Here, you can recruit ready made players to fit your system, players who are already above the level your rivals can recruit. You're simply being called to translate off field advantages into on field ones. Even winning the division here would be B+ management performance, nothing more. |
I'm sort of ambivalent about it but he's running out of time and excuses now. Happy to give a little more time to see if we can put a run together but we are way off the pace.
He's been give an absolute treasure trove, backed to the hilt in absolutely every area imaginable. We even had players moving house cited as a reason recently. Given they're paid to play football and not much else, I find that desperate.
I hope he can turn it around, but if he's given the season and we don't achieve the play-offs as a bare minimum, I think we can all agree he's been a failure. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:07 - Nov 1 with 722 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 13:49 - Nov 1 by positivity |
first 5 games this season- 3 points
2nd 5- 7 points
3rd 5- 10 points
keep this up and we'll be alright... |
Second half of the season we'll be averaging over 3 points a game if that trend continues. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:35 - Nov 1 with 687 views | positivity |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:07 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
Second half of the season we'll be averaging over 3 points a game if that trend continues. |
not quite!
it's a flattening curve, so 4th 5 would be 13 points, then it will be flat at 13 until the end (unless it's a bell curve in which case we'll be getting minus points in the 46th game) | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:37 - Nov 1 with 681 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:35 - Nov 1 by positivity |
not quite!
it's a flattening curve, so 4th 5 would be 13 points, then it will be flat at 13 until the end (unless it's a bell curve in which case we'll be getting minus points in the 46th game) |
That'll do then | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:43 - Nov 1 with 672 views | DavoIPB |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:05 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Herbs is so binary about everything. We lost so Cook's bad. No nuance, context, mitigating circumstances... in fact nothing about football. It's just the end result and league placing for him, on a weekly basis. [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 9:06]
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Yep people seem to forget the football aspect and just go with the results. In my humble opinion we controlled the game against Plymouth and they only won it really because we conceded a soft goal just before half time so once again the psychology of a football match played out. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:43 - Nov 1 with 673 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 14:38 - Nov 1 by jayessess |
A lack of resources was one of the reasons we got relegated to League One, it wasn't the reason we ended up staying here. We were always massively over-resourced for this division, any club that gets 20k through the door and isn't in the throes of bankruptcy is.
That's the main reason I've relatively little patience for our current predicament. Getting us out of this division isn't an especially tough managerial gig - not in the way that getting Coventry, Luton, Peterborough or Blackpool is. You don't have to be unearthing diamonds for a pittance, massively improving players on the training ground or working out brilliant tactical plans to overcome teams with much better individuals. Mark Robins, Nathan Jones, Darren Ferguson and Neil Critchley had to produce A+ management performances to win the division.
Here, you can recruit ready made players to fit your system, players who are already above the level your rivals can recruit. You're simply being called to translate off field advantages into on field ones. Even winning the division here would be B+ management performance, nothing more. |
I think you massively underrate the enormity of the job, in which case I don't think we're ever going to agree. Sunderland are bigger than us. If it's so easy, why haven't they gone back up yet? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:45 - Nov 1 with 663 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:35 - Nov 1 by positivity |
not quite!
it's a flattening curve, so 4th 5 would be 13 points, then it will be flat at 13 until the end (unless it's a bell curve in which case we'll be getting minus points in the 46th game) |
I'd take that. Cook in. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:47 - Nov 1 with 667 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 14:47 - Nov 1 by footers |
I'm sort of ambivalent about it but he's running out of time and excuses now. Happy to give a little more time to see if we can put a run together but we are way off the pace.
He's been give an absolute treasure trove, backed to the hilt in absolutely every area imaginable. We even had players moving house cited as a reason recently. Given they're paid to play football and not much else, I find that desperate.
I hope he can turn it around, but if he's given the season and we don't achieve the play-offs as a bare minimum, I think we can all agree he's been a failure. |
Actually there's one area he hasn't been backed to the hilt in, and it's quite a crucial one IMO.
Time. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:16 - Nov 1 with 653 views | jayessess |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:43 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think you massively underrate the enormity of the job, in which case I don't think we're ever going to agree. Sunderland are bigger than us. If it's so easy, why haven't they gone back up yet? |
Yeah, I don't think we'll ever agree on how big the job is really.
Sunderland, like us, are abysmally run and should also be embarrassed to be down here. However, their league finishes since they've been down here were at least 5th, 8th and 4th. If it hadn't been for Covid they'd likely have made the play-offs in all 3 seasons, despite being disfunctionally run and having much of their budget taken up with paying off massive legacy contracts from their Premier League era. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:56 - Nov 1 with 621 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:16 - Nov 1 by jayessess |
Yeah, I don't think we'll ever agree on how big the job is really.
Sunderland, like us, are abysmally run and should also be embarrassed to be down here. However, their league finishes since they've been down here were at least 5th, 8th and 4th. If it hadn't been for Covid they'd likely have made the play-offs in all 3 seasons, despite being disfunctionally run and having much of their budget taken up with paying off massive legacy contracts from their Premier League era. |
So we're allowed to do ifs, buts and maybes for Sunderland but not for Ipswich? We've had plenty of issues too, and it will take time to fix them all. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 22:44 - Nov 2 with 493 views | wkj |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P16 W6 D5 L5 - 23 points |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 11:50 - Nov 3 with 426 views | Bucklebury_blue |
New team, new owners, new season. You lot would have had SBR sacked before the end of his first two seasons. In fact your fathers/grandfathers wanted just that. Anyone feeling stupid yet? | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 11:52 - Nov 3 with 413 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 22:44 - Nov 2 by wkj |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P16 W6 D5 L5 - 23 points |
Still doesn't look great, but the recent form is much more encouraging. | |
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