| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14704 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:56 - Oct 31 with 1093 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:47 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Joe, is this just a hunch or are you hearing whispers? I ask because it very much isn't in line with what they’ve said up to now. All I’ve heard is ‘the long game’, ‘patience’ etc. |
Just a hunch - we've bui,t a squad which should be up at the very top of this league - if we don't pick up proper points from those arounds us in next 6 weeks or so then we are bang in trouble | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:59 - Oct 31 with 1081 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:56 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Just a hunch - we've bui,t a squad which should be up at the very top of this league - if we don't pick up proper points from those arounds us in next 6 weeks or so then we are bang in trouble |
You seriously think we could be pulled into a relegation battle?
Surely not with this squad. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:01 - Oct 31 with 1078 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:59 - Oct 31 by Vic |
You seriously think we could be pulled into a relegation battle?
Surely not with this squad. |
No, bang in trouble is when our chances get slim of even making the top 6 | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:39 - Oct 31 with 1012 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:39 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
He could have no complaints if he is sacked soon, and surely fans wouldn't be surprised?
We obviously don't have a read on the new owners as yet, but I just can't see that his job is particularly safe at the moment |
I'm sure Bret johnson is still wondering why Celilina didn't get on the pitch until we were losing. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:41 - Oct 31 with 994 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't see the point in comparing last season with this. They're two totally different teams and two totally different sets of circumstances. I know you're trying to infer he's pretty much done the same, but no, the records being similar is merely a coincidence. |
It shows even with his own players, his own coaches and the best budget in L1 he is still failing.
That’s not defendable.
Especially as he said the previous squad was basically a bunch of slackers |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:56 - Oct 31 with 962 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:41 - Oct 31 by ElderGrizzly |
It shows even with his own players, his own coaches and the best budget in L1 he is still failing.
That’s not defendable.
Especially as he said the previous squad was basically a bunch of slackers |
Elder - you and Joe both seem to have been infected with the same negative it’s virus!
I’ve got to ask you both - why do neither of you seem to give so little credence to the comments from the owners etc? They’ve always and repeatedly said that it’s a project and that we need to be patient - but that seems to cut no ice with you guys. I can’t help but wonder why you usually sensible blokes know that we don’t, and why you and others are so bent on continually denying any sense of progress that has been made. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 22:14 - Oct 31 with 928 views | blueboyd |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:56 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Elder - you and Joe both seem to have been infected with the same negative it’s virus!
I’ve got to ask you both - why do neither of you seem to give so little credence to the comments from the owners etc? They’ve always and repeatedly said that it’s a project and that we need to be patient - but that seems to cut no ice with you guys. I can’t help but wonder why you usually sensible blokes know that we don’t, and why you and others are so bent on continually denying any sense of progress that has been made. |
Sorry to butt in, progress? we are in League One showing no sign of getting out of it this season.... |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 22:23 - Oct 31 with 907 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:56 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Elder - you and Joe both seem to have been infected with the same negative it’s virus!
I’ve got to ask you both - why do neither of you seem to give so little credence to the comments from the owners etc? They’ve always and repeatedly said that it’s a project and that we need to be patient - but that seems to cut no ice with you guys. I can’t help but wonder why you usually sensible blokes know that we don’t, and why you and others are so bent on continually denying any sense of progress that has been made. |
The football is prettier, we score goals, but are closer to the relegation zone than the playoffs today.
He is performing worse than Lambert ever did.
He and his own players have said on 3 occasions now they are being bullied or out fought in games.
Sorry if i’m struggling to find many positives | | | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 23:15 - Oct 31 with 850 views | fab_lover |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:56 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Elder - you and Joe both seem to have been infected with the same negative it’s virus!
I’ve got to ask you both - why do neither of you seem to give so little credence to the comments from the owners etc? They’ve always and repeatedly said that it’s a project and that we need to be patient - but that seems to cut no ice with you guys. I can’t help but wonder why you usually sensible blokes know that we don’t, and why you and others are so bent on continually denying any sense of progress that has been made. |
Although that wasn't aimed at me, I'll answer anyway ;-)
The owners are not people with any emotional investment into the club; they are businesspeople.
Significant revenue comes from the fans. The owners can't afford for the fans to turn on the club; or to question the bona fides of the owners. Of course they will say things publicly that don't necessarily reflect their actual sentiments; it's just PR. Like all commercial concerns, the real management of the club will be run by data; and the owners are going to be expecting returns. Do you really think PC has been given the budget he has on the understanding that promotion wasn't going to happen this year ?
Lack of confidence is very rarely expressed, it's generally a statement of complete support and then termination of that support. PC will be gone the moment that promotion can't happen this season; and I wouldn't rejoice in that, but I'd be amazed if it didn't happen. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 00:12 - Nov 1 with 823 views | timothyeo |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:56 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Elder - you and Joe both seem to have been infected with the same negative it’s virus!
I’ve got to ask you both - why do neither of you seem to give so little credence to the comments from the owners etc? They’ve always and repeatedly said that it’s a project and that we need to be patient - but that seems to cut no ice with you guys. I can’t help but wonder why you usually sensible blokes know that we don’t, and why you and others are so bent on continually denying any sense of progress that has been made. |
I think you're being naive if you think the owners coming out and speaking about patience or supporting the manager doesn't change in the blink of an eye.
Thats why the dreaded 'vote of confidence' from owners to managers is so renowned in football.
Owners come out and say they 100% support the managers and believe in what they do. They're then routinely sacked the week after. Take a look in football archives, there's literally hundreds of examples. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 01:34 - Nov 1 with 806 views | XYZ |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 23:15 - Oct 31 by fab_lover |
Although that wasn't aimed at me, I'll answer anyway ;-)
The owners are not people with any emotional investment into the club; they are businesspeople.
Significant revenue comes from the fans. The owners can't afford for the fans to turn on the club; or to question the bona fides of the owners. Of course they will say things publicly that don't necessarily reflect their actual sentiments; it's just PR. Like all commercial concerns, the real management of the club will be run by data; and the owners are going to be expecting returns. Do you really think PC has been given the budget he has on the understanding that promotion wasn't going to happen this year ?
Lack of confidence is very rarely expressed, it's generally a statement of complete support and then termination of that support. PC will be gone the moment that promotion can't happen this season; and I wouldn't rejoice in that, but I'd be amazed if it didn't happen. |
Quite right.
If this squad is not promoted then the players' values will have fallen. We would struggle to offload perceived failures due to high wages. The business plan will be based on regularly selling one or two for a good profit.
If the owners are making data-influenced decisions then projected balance sheets will form part of the data ...
If we're (say) 10 points off the play-offs in early December the question will be on the agenda. Little point making a change after mid-December - if you're going to do it, then you have to give the new manager the transfer window.
Cook needs to keep the play-offs a realistic good chance at a minimum. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:36 - Nov 1 with 717 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:41 - Oct 31 by ElderGrizzly |
It shows even with his own players, his own coaches and the best budget in L1 he is still failing.
That’s not defendable.
Especially as he said the previous squad was basically a bunch of slackers |
He was right about the previous squad as they didn't turn up for three managers. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:40 - Nov 1 with 718 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:36 - Nov 1 by Mach_foreignBlue |
He was right about the previous squad as they didn't turn up for three managers. |
The current squad seem to be turning up for him in a fairly comparable fashion though. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:45 - Nov 1 with 713 views | portmanking |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:40 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
The current squad seem to be turning up for him in a fairly comparable fashion though. |
Rubbish. Are you seriously suggesting the performance at Plymouth was on a par with the likes of Rochdale away last season? We could/should have scored four goals at Plymouth. Easily. The previous squad took four games to muster four shots let alone four goals. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:55 - Nov 1 with 694 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:40 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
The current squad seem to be turning up for him in a fairly comparable fashion though. |
No. Although the perfornances ought to have been better we aren't hopeless. We were hopeless with the previous squad. We had the player who said that Rochdale was a tough place to visit and 0-0 against them was a good point. [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 7:57]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:58 - Nov 1 with 690 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:45 - Nov 1 by portmanking |
Rubbish. Are you seriously suggesting the performance at Plymouth was on a par with the likes of Rochdale away last season? We could/should have scored four goals at Plymouth. Easily. The previous squad took four games to muster four shots let alone four goals. |
Not on a par, no. We got a point at Rochdale which we didn't at Plymouth. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:03 - Nov 1 with 675 views | braveblue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:20 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
So scoring every single game and becoming the leagues top scorers isn't viewed as a positive (when was the last time that happened)? Of course league position wise we should be better but we do the hardest part of football easy, scoring goals. For that reason alone he needs a minimum until May. Because of a fair few reasons he hasn't been able to play his best back 5 game after game either, until this happens we won't know if we can close the door a bit more.
The play of Donacien, Aluko, Burns, Chaplin, Bonne has been incredible and I want more of it. |
Well said. Bored with moaning and unrealistic expectations. Last season was a write off. This season we have played well, been very unlucky at times, made a few vital mistakes. We are not far off being a very good side. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:20 - Nov 1 with 648 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:26 - Oct 31 by timothyeo |
No, we didnt have better chances, Plymouth did.
Thats literally what the xG stat demonstrates. |
I'll use my eyes rather than stats thanks. Did you watch the game? How on earth could anyone say Plymouth had a better chance than Bonne's against a defender on the line? |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:23 - Nov 1 with 637 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 21:41 - Oct 31 by ElderGrizzly |
It shows even with his own players, his own coaches and the best budget in L1 he is still failing.
That’s not defendable.
Especially as he said the previous squad was basically a bunch of slackers |
So you're another who thinks brand new teams need absolutely no time whatsoever to gel? They should just work immediately and race to the top of the league. That's what you're suggesting, right? | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:28 - Nov 1 with 612 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:58 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
Not on a par, no. We got a point at Rochdale which we didn't at Plymouth. |
As I've noted previously, you literally just base everything on the win/draw/loss stats and the league table. You're not interested in actual football. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:33 - Nov 1 with 596 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:58 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
Not on a par, no. We got a point at Rochdale which we didn't at Plymouth. |
Rochdale....tough place to visit as Judge would say, eh? | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:34 - Nov 1 with 595 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:33 - Nov 1 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Rochdale....tough place to visit as Judge would say, eh? |
Probably as tough as, say, Cheltenham. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:39 - Nov 1 with 570 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:34 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
Probably as tough as, say, Cheltenham. |
Crikey ! Are Cheltenham a bottom team that keep shipping goals like Rochdale did last season? | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:46 - Nov 1 with 551 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:39 - Nov 1 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Crikey ! Are Cheltenham a bottom team that keep shipping goals like Rochdale did last season? |
Not quite, although I think they'll struggle as the season progresses. We lost to them though, whereas we at least took a point from Rochdale. | |
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