| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14698 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 with 678 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:34 - Oct 31 by Funge |
QED.
I disagree with Joe on a fair few things, but your interpretation here is very unfair.
I want this football club to achieve something; like, you know, maybe a first promotion in 20 (!!) years.
The current manager has been fully indulged by the owners, and we have 20k supporters turning up at PR at present - berserk numbers for Division 3.
Cook's remit is to get us promoted - we're miles off that at the moment. It's not even being pro- or anti-Cook; this seasons task is to get us up.
We don't look anywhere close to that at present. |
Good to see a proper discussion on here after yesterday's nonsense!
From what I have seen I would say that "miles off" and "don't look anywhere close to" are a little O.T.T. as I think we are a gnat's piss away from being the real deal. There are grounds though for questions to be raised about some of Cook's tactical decisions (particularly our set up yesterday) and our frail defensive moments are a real concern.
However, overall this season and last season (despite results, unfortunately) are like night and day to this punter. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 with 673 views | pointofblue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:41 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So we should sack Cook now and start again? |
Not yet but there will come a time in the not too distant future, unless we manage at the very least to hit the two points a game nark, that changing the manager will not be a case of risking writing off the season.
Every side has hard luck stories. Manchester United lost 5-0 to Liverpool last week but most fans could say “if only we didn’t make those defensive errors” - the fact is they lost 5-0. The best sides ride through those and make their own luck; too often this season we have failed to do so. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:51 - Oct 31 with 655 views | NeedhamChris |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 by StokieBlue |
You agree that we have spent 50m and that our team is made up of League One journeymen?
SB |
I read it as he says the owners/pension fund have spent £50m which would include all of the costs of buying the club in addition to wages/signing on fees/fees and more
Edit - didn’t clock the journeymen reference and no I don’t agree with that. But that’s not enough for me to assume troll [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:54]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:53 - Oct 31 with 638 views | Mullet |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 by StokieBlue |
You agree that we have spent 50m and that our team is made up of League One journeymen?
SB |
Given 5m dwarves half the division and we went in with championship teams for wages I dunno why anyone would try and overstate our spending.
It’s clear we’ve tried to blow the league away and it’s not worked out. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:55 - Oct 31 with 627 views | bobbyramsey |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 by pointofblue |
Not yet but there will come a time in the not too distant future, unless we manage at the very least to hit the two points a game nark, that changing the manager will not be a case of risking writing off the season.
Every side has hard luck stories. Manchester United lost 5-0 to Liverpool last week but most fans could say “if only we didn’t make those defensive errors” - the fact is they lost 5-0. The best sides ride through those and make their own luck; too often this season we have failed to do so. |
It amazes me that people don't actually listen to what our owners say.
Johnson only last week said that promotion may not happen this year, it wasn't the end of the world, long term project etc,etc,etc. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:55 - Oct 31 with 627 views | StokieBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:53 - Oct 31 by Mullet |
Given 5m dwarves half the division and we went in with championship teams for wages I dunno why anyone would try and overstate our spending.
It’s clear we’ve tried to blow the league away and it’s not worked out. |
It's been spent on journeyman league one players though according to him.
No problem people criticising Cook but people just writing absolute bobbins because they are trolling should rightly be called out.
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:56 - Oct 31 with 614 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:47 - Oct 31 by NeedhamChris |
Erm, because he disagrees with you?
It’s expressed strongly but nothing there I fundamentally disagree with |
What?!
How long have you got?!
"Four seasons in League One is not acceptable and represents a continuing decline of the club."
- erm, this isn't all Cook's fault.
"Next season there won’t be Bonne"
- no idea how he knows this.
"they’ve spent close to £50million already to achieve absolutely nothing."
- I don't know where to start with this one.
"made up of largely journeyman players whose best football was played in this league three or four years ago."
- this is just simply not true.
"Our chance to recover has been utterly annihilated by Cook."
"We’re going to be stuck in this league or worse for years if the support keeps accepting this level of failure."
You really agree with all this drivel? |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:58 - Oct 31 with 609 views | skinnybob72 |
The biggest difference between last season and this is that last season the opposition tended to score first and Town would lose - this season 4 of Town's 5 losses have come after taking the lead!!
Also 3 of 5 draws have seen Town go ahead.
The team don't seem to be able to look after a lead. | | | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:59 - Oct 31 with 589 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 by pointofblue |
Not yet but there will come a time in the not too distant future, unless we manage at the very least to hit the two points a game nark, that changing the manager will not be a case of risking writing off the season.
Every side has hard luck stories. Manchester United lost 5-0 to Liverpool last week but most fans could say “if only we didn’t make those defensive errors” - the fact is they lost 5-0. The best sides ride through those and make their own luck; too often this season we have failed to do so. |
Your example is nonsense here my friend. You don't lose 5-0 at home due to bad luck. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:02 - Oct 31 with 566 views | footers |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:59 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your example is nonsense here my friend. You don't lose 5-0 at home due to bad luck. |
How about 5-2? |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:03 - Oct 31 with 569 views | jayessess |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Good to see a proper discussion on here after yesterday's nonsense!
From what I have seen I would say that "miles off" and "don't look anywhere close to" are a little O.T.T. as I think we are a gnat's piss away from being the real deal. There are grounds though for questions to be raised about some of Cook's tactical decisions (particularly our set up yesterday) and our frail defensive moments are a real concern.
However, overall this season and last season (despite results, unfortunately) are like night and day to this punter. |
On the "miles off" thing, I can see both sides. On the one hand we score a lot of goals and have been slightly superior in terms of chances and territory in most games. Which probably suggests we'd be pretty formidable if we tightened up defensively just a little. We're very close to being a fairly consistent top 6 side.
Equally, the target for the season was being the dominant side in the division. A team that routinely rolls over a lot of sides in the division, is clearly superior most weeks, that gets on top of other L1 teams even when they're good for the division. The 90-100 points team. That, we are very much a mile off. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 10:07]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:04 - Oct 31 with 556 views | BlueBadger |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:30 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
It is time to build, not change - again. It is that simple. |
So, it's yet another 'free hit'? |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:05 - Oct 31 with 557 views | townblue |
Really concerning that we haven't moved on from last season. I do feel like we are on the edge of being a really good team, but a risk it doesn't quite happen. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:05 - Oct 31 with 552 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Good to see a proper discussion on here after yesterday's nonsense!
From what I have seen I would say that "miles off" and "don't look anywhere close to" are a little O.T.T. as I think we are a gnat's piss away from being the real deal. There are grounds though for questions to be raised about some of Cook's tactical decisions (particularly our set up yesterday) and our frail defensive moments are a real concern.
However, overall this season and last season (despite results, unfortunately) are like night and day to this punter. |
I agree that we are very close to being the real dea.
The only obstacle I see to that is Cook himself. When things are going to plan we play very well. We have quality in every position in the park.
However, when things are not going so well I don’t believe Paul Cook or his coaches have the ability to influence the match with tactical changes or substitutions.
I dint say that as somebody with a ‘Cook Out’ agenda. He seems a lovely bloke who desperately wants to do as well as we all do. However, nearly 40 matches into his tenure Inhavent in England seems a master stroke from the bench in terms of inspired substitution or change of formation. Not once. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:05 - Oct 31 with 550 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:02 - Oct 31 by footers |
How about 5-2? |
I don't think anyone's suggested Bolton was down to bad luck. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:07 - Oct 31 with 542 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:30 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
It is time to build, not change - again. It is that simple. |
There needs to be evidence the builder is capable of the job and that we want what he's building though. You don't stick with an underachieving manager based purely on hope that it will eventually click. That's madness and leads to the kind of wasted seasons we've experienced all too often in recent years. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:07 - Oct 31 with 540 views | BlueBadger |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:05 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Some people are happy to how poor last season was as there were mitigating factors - personally I don’t but that is neither nor there.
But now this season has been just as poor, it’s not about comparing the two but illustrating just how far off it we continue to be. |
As with Lambert, there's a sizeable chunk of our support who are happy with mediocrity if we're playing 'good'/'improved'/'technical' football. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:07 - Oct 31 with 541 views | pointofblue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:59 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your example is nonsense here my friend. You don't lose 5-0 at home due to bad luck. |
You don’t drop as many points as we have through bad luck either. There’s something engrained with this squad, it’s the same issues over and over again and do we feel like we’re sorting them out? Some may say yes, I have my doubts. Admittedly, there were extenuating circumstances at Plymouth and if we were sitting on Rotherham or Wigan’s (another team which has had massive churn) record we would shrug it off. But every match is massive now and we cannot afford to throw away too many more points. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:10 - Oct 31 with 527 views | Guthrum |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:59 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
I find it odd that so many are willing to give him the season at this stage based on what he's done here to date. I think he needs a bit longer but if we come out of this tough run of games any further adrift than we are now then I find it hard to make a case for him staying in charge. |
Town have carried out a major renovation project and he's been given just three months to make it work.
A structural problem with football is that there is no time for development. Messing up the first quarter of a season while you get a new setup to function badly damages your chances of promotion. Ironing out issues (like a malfunctioning defence) has to be done in action, with all the risks that entails.
A handful of preseason games (often against lower or higher-level opposition and with non-standard conditions such as using different lineups for each half) is no adequate preparation. Especially given the transfer window system means your full squad is unlikely to be assembled until a month after the League has actually started.
So you could have a scenario where a decent squad has been assembled, things are beginning to come together tactically, looking like it will become a really effective unit by the latter part of the season - but poor results and falling out of contention for promotion sees the Manager sacked in November or December and a new man has to come in and work with players and a tactical philosophy which is not his own. More changes follow and the process starts again - but is almost certainly going to take another season anyway. So little is really gained. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:11 - Oct 31 with 508 views | BlueBadger |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:07 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
There needs to be evidence the builder is capable of the job and that we want what he's building though. You don't stick with an underachieving manager based purely on hope that it will eventually click. That's madness and leads to the kind of wasted seasons we've experienced all too often in recent years. |
Yes, but if we get promoted there's a chance we could be a mid-table Championship side next season and that would the worst thing of all. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:12 - Oct 31 with 507 views | footers |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:05 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think anyone's suggested Bolton was down to bad luck. |
Indeed. We were just sh1t. And the blame for that lies squarely with Cook. In much the same way thay our recent form does.
I'm happy to just judge on this season alone and forget the last, but we're underachieving badly relative to budget and expectations. And I'm afraid Cook must take the blame for it, lovely bloke though he is. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:13 - Oct 31 with 501 views | Fixed_It |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:07 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
There needs to be evidence the builder is capable of the job and that we want what he's building though. You don't stick with an underachieving manager based purely on hope that it will eventually click. That's madness and leads to the kind of wasted seasons we've experienced all too often in recent years. |
His record at previous clubs speaks for itself. He clearly knows what he is doing, its just not quite clicking yet. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:16 - Oct 31 with 486 views | Radlett_blue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:55 - Oct 31 by bobbyramsey |
It amazes me that people don't actually listen to what our owners say.
Johnson only last week said that promotion may not happen this year, it wasn't the end of the world, long term project etc,etc,etc. |
If you are a football club owner, you back your manager until you sack him. Johnson said exactly the right thing, but deep down the owners must be seriously questioning Cook's credentials. Also, they didn't appoint him - it was Marcus Evans, who seems to have picked 4 absolute duds from his 5 managerial choices.
Not saying Cook should go now, but the league table is beginning to take shape & the longer mid table mediocrity persists, the more difficult Cook's position becomes. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:17 - Oct 31 with 486 views | jayessess |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:10 - Oct 31 by Guthrum |
Town have carried out a major renovation project and he's been given just three months to make it work.
A structural problem with football is that there is no time for development. Messing up the first quarter of a season while you get a new setup to function badly damages your chances of promotion. Ironing out issues (like a malfunctioning defence) has to be done in action, with all the risks that entails.
A handful of preseason games (often against lower or higher-level opposition and with non-standard conditions such as using different lineups for each half) is no adequate preparation. Especially given the transfer window system means your full squad is unlikely to be assembled until a month after the League has actually started.
So you could have a scenario where a decent squad has been assembled, things are beginning to come together tactically, looking like it will become a really effective unit by the latter part of the season - but poor results and falling out of contention for promotion sees the Manager sacked in November or December and a new man has to come in and work with players and a tactical philosophy which is not his own. More changes follow and the process starts again - but is almost certainly going to take another season anyway. So little is really gained. |
I'm always puzzled by this certainty that teams generally get better and better if you just give them time. I just don't see the evidence that patience is so productive.
As far as I can see the majority of squad/manager combinations hit a particular level after 20 games or so and that's it, with the odd fluctuation in form that's their level until the manager or the squad change. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:18 - Oct 31 with 478 views | BlueBadger |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 10:13 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
His record at previous clubs speaks for itself. He clearly knows what he is doing, its just not quite clicking yet. |
Even Cook himself stopped talking about players needing to 'gel' about 6 games ago. | |
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