| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14696 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:06 - Oct 31 with 1320 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:17 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Yesterday in isolation wasn’t awful, we had chances and continued to create (but it’s neglected to mention they also missed good chances) but it can’t just be looked at on its own with how we have performed overall.
We’ve got 4 more tough games coming up, starting against a side with a perfect home record - but because of our poor start we can’t keep looking for mitigating factors - we’ve already missed every target that has been set by fans of x points by y games. |
We missed 3 absolute sitters to my memory. I don't remember anything so glaring from Plymouth. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:07 - Oct 31 with 1327 views | DinnernotTea |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:58 - Oct 31 by blueboyd |
top of the "30 league goals before November" league - how exciting!! what do we win? |
Absolutely nothing. But whisper it being in the top 6 on Halloween doesn't win you anything either. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:08 - Oct 31 with 1328 views | homer_123 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't see the point in comparing last season with this. They're two totally different teams and two totally different sets of circumstances. I know you're trying to infer he's pretty much done the same, but no, the records being similar is merely a coincidence. |
OK...let's not compare.
Take this season. Played 15...W 5 D 5 L 5.
Average so far then. We are closer on points to relegation than we are automatic promotion.
This season...we have shown that we can play well in patches but struggle to dominate and close out games. We have a habit of giving soft goals away and that trend has been consistent over 15 games. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:08 - Oct 31 with 1328 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:06 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We missed 3 absolute sitters to my memory. I don't remember anything so glaring from Plymouth. |
Plymouth missed 2 sitters - the one where Jeohcott broke early and the one where Hardie was in on the left and Walton made a very good save
Their xG was higher than ours yesterday - 1.39 vs 1.28 - so the game was close but as fans we seem to look at the chances we missed and ignore the good chances they had | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:10 - Oct 31 with 1308 views | homer_123 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:04 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's a very simplistic take which removes all context. As is the OP. |
No..it doesn't.
There are fans who are saying we are progressing and getting better.
All available evidence suggests that we aren't. Lots of talk of incremental improvements etc.
See my reply to you above. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:11 - Oct 31 with 1312 views | DinnernotTea |
Couple more stats to chuck in.
We're 5th in form since the Bolton massacre.
We're 6th in current form table.
We're the league's top scorers.
Stats can be massaged how you want but quite interesting nonetheless. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:11 - Oct 31 with 1288 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:07 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
Absolutely nothing. But whisper it being in the top 6 on Halloween doesn't win you anything either. |
But it means you need to only maintain your current form to finish top 6 rather than having to overhaul a big gap that you're not looking capable of overhauling. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:13 - Oct 31 with 1297 views | homer_123 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't see the point in comparing last season with this. They're two totally different teams and two totally different sets of circumstances. I know you're trying to infer he's pretty much done the same, but no, the records being similar is merely a coincidence. |
If we are not going to compare against last season. Then can we compare to Cooks time at other Clubs? His tenure here compares to his time with Southport and Accrington...why is that? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:14 - Oct 31 with 1297 views | homer_123 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:11 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
Couple more stats to chuck in.
We're 5th in form since the Bolton massacre.
We're 6th in current form table.
We're the league's top scorers.
Stats can be massaged how you want but quite interesting nonetheless. |
And yesterday we created enough chances to win.
But we didn't...the only stat that matters is points. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:16 - Oct 31 with 1278 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:56 - Oct 31 by Swansea_Blue |
Eh? The records being similar is the evidence that he’s broadly performed the same. Different approach but very similar outcome. We’ve been improving lately though, so it’s (just about) going in the right direction. |
No, because as I said (and is fact) they are two entirely different teams and two entirely different sets of circumstances. The team Cook inherited had been together (and failing) for years. The new team is entirely new and needed time to gel, hence the slow start.
Seems counterintuitive of first glance (because it's the same bloke in charge) but anyone with half a brain can see the win/lose/draw stats being similar is just a coincidence. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:17 - Oct 31 with 1277 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:11 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
Couple more stats to chuck in.
We're 5th in form since the Bolton massacre.
We're 6th in current form table.
We're the league's top scorers.
Stats can be massaged how you want but quite interesting nonetheless. |
The aim this season wasn't to be 5th or 6th, mate, so I'm not sure what you think that proves. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:17 - Oct 31 with 1277 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:08 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
OK...let's not compare.
Take this season. Played 15...W 5 D 5 L 5.
Average so far then. We are closer on points to relegation than we are automatic promotion.
This season...we have shown that we can play well in patches but struggle to dominate and close out games. We have a habit of giving soft goals away and that trend has been consistent over 15 games. |
"we have shown that we can play well in patches"
Almost like a brand new team getting to know each other? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:19 - Oct 31 with 1281 views | DinnernotTea |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:14 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
And yesterday we created enough chances to win.
But we didn't...the only stat that matters is points. |
Ok let me break it down to might suit your agenda.
5th most points gained since the Bolton massacre.
6th most points gained in the league in the last 6 games.
Most goals scored in that time too.
But the now now now now bedwetters will always want to ignore certain stats hey. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:20 - Oct 31 with 1275 views | homer_123 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:17 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"we have shown that we can play well in patches"
Almost like a brand new team getting to know each other? |
You do know that most L1 and L2 teams have a major overhaul every season?
Can I ask...hoping do we go with the 'gel' thing? Half a season? A whole season? These are pro footballers...how long should it take? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:21 - Oct 31 with 1272 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:19 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
Ok let me break it down to might suit your agenda.
5th most points gained since the Bolton massacre.
6th most points gained in the league in the last 6 games.
Most goals scored in that time too.
But the now now now now bedwetters will always want to ignore certain stats hey. |
So in the last 6 games, 5 of the teams above us have increased their lead over us. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:22 - Oct 31 with 1257 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:08 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Plymouth missed 2 sitters - the one where Jeohcott broke early and the one where Hardie was in on the left and Walton made a very good save
Their xG was higher than ours yesterday - 1.39 vs 1.28 - so the game was close but as fans we seem to look at the chances we missed and ignore the good chances they had |
Their first one wouldn't have come about if Bonne had beaten the man on the line.
Anyway, I'm not denying they had chances. I'm saying we had more (and much better). If we'd put just one of those away the chat would be entirely different on here after the game. That's the difference and that's why this wailing or cheering after every game is absolute nonsense. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:22 - Oct 31 with 1259 views | homer_123 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:19 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
Ok let me break it down to might suit your agenda.
5th most points gained since the Bolton massacre.
6th most points gained in the league in the last 6 games.
Most goals scored in that time too.
But the now now now now bedwetters will always want to ignore certain stats hey. |
Indeed...those stats are not in question.
P 15 W 5 D 5 L 5
We are still giving soft goals away...still switching off during games. Still only playing well in patches.
We now have a run of games against better teams...the first was yesterday. We created enough to draw and possibly win. But we didn't.... | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:24 - Oct 31 with 1242 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:20 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
You do know that most L1 and L2 teams have a major overhaul every season?
Can I ask...hoping do we go with the 'gel' thing? Half a season? A whole season? These are pro footballers...how long should it take? |
I'd really rather hoped the gelling talk would have died down by the start of November but apparently not. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:25 - Oct 31 with 1234 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:10 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
No..it doesn't.
There are fans who are saying we are progressing and getting better.
All available evidence suggests that we aren't. Lots of talk of incremental improvements etc.
See my reply to you above. |
I go by what I see on the pitch, and yes I believe we're improving.
Another point is we had two right sided players go sick on the morning of the game when 300 miles from home (so unable to draft in players who didn't travel). That's just bad luck and changes things immensely. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:27 - Oct 31 with 1222 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:13 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
If we are not going to compare against last season. Then can we compare to Cooks time at other Clubs? His tenure here compares to his time with Southport and Accrington...why is that? |
That's a very odd thing to do, but go on, what are the comparisons? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:27 - Oct 31 with 1228 views | Funge |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:22 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Their first one wouldn't have come about if Bonne had beaten the man on the line.
Anyway, I'm not denying they had chances. I'm saying we had more (and much better). If we'd put just one of those away the chat would be entirely different on here after the game. That's the difference and that's why this wailing or cheering after every game is absolute nonsense. |
Weird chat. People saying that 'if X had happened, then Y would've too'.
Conversely, if Celina didn't score last week, then we draw at home against another minnow. He did, we all enjoyed a last minute winner, lovely.
Reducing the argument to 'what if' really doesn't help.
Overall, we're underperfoming, yet again.
Some fans are content to view this as acceptable. I definitely dont. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:32 - Oct 31 with 1201 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:14 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
And yesterday we created enough chances to win.
But we didn't...the only stat that matters is points. |
Depends what you're discussing. If you're interested in what's best for the football club you look at the bigger picture rather than just pick a few stats.
The points will be lower due to a poor start (in part due to needing time to gel). There's nothing that can be done about that now, so you look instead to see if there's improvement.
If I saw no signs of improvement by now then I'd be complaining and calling for Cook to be sacked too. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:32 - Oct 31 with 1191 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:27 - Oct 31 by Funge |
Weird chat. People saying that 'if X had happened, then Y would've too'.
Conversely, if Celina didn't score last week, then we draw at home against another minnow. He did, we all enjoyed a last minute winner, lovely.
Reducing the argument to 'what if' really doesn't help.
Overall, we're underperfoming, yet again.
Some fans are content to view this as acceptable. I definitely dont. |
Indeed, and whilst some fans are content to hypothesise about where we'd be if we took all of our chances and the opposition took none of theirs and if we never had any injuries, the season quietly slips away again. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:33 - Oct 31 with 1202 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:25 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I go by what I see on the pitch, and yes I believe we're improving.
Another point is we had two right sided players go sick on the morning of the game when 300 miles from home (so unable to draft in players who didn't travel). That's just bad luck and changes things immensely. |
I’m not sure last but is quite the case, I know Burns for sure (don’t know on Donacien) travelled down separately because he was sick and they were hoping he’d be better for the game so you’d imagine the replacements were already there
Despite having 2 players ill we still had Louie Barry travel and not make the match day squad | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:34 - Oct 31 with 1192 views | Keaneish |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:08 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Plymouth missed 2 sitters - the one where Jeohcott broke early and the one where Hardie was in on the left and Walton made a very good save
Their xG was higher than ours yesterday - 1.39 vs 1.28 - so the game was close but as fans we seem to look at the chances we missed and ignore the good chances they had |
No we don’t. A point would have been fair and that was the tall on all sides leaving the ground and on the train on the way home. We arguably shaded it and could have had a pen to steal it too. |  |
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