| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14703 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:34 - Oct 31 with 869 views | Vic |
What’s your point Joe?
Despite your protestations that you’re not anti Cook this looks like another post designed to undermine and highlight the negatives.
We all know the start has not been good! It has been much poorer than anyone, him included wanted. But things have been improving and we have a good squad. What is gained by the continual negative posts? |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:36 - Oct 31 with 857 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:29 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
Indeed. We can't keep having games where we say "The result is disappointing but......". We just don't have the luxury of being able to do that after a poor start to the season. The defeat yesterday means we took 10 points from our 6 games in October, that's fewer than we needed to take to start making up ground on the sides above us. It's 6th best in the division over that period but the 5 sides above us in the form table are in the top 6 in the league and so that gap is getting bigger.
And much as Plymouth are in good form, compare their line up and squad to ours player for player and does anyone really think they are a side we should be expecting to get nothing against? And if it's a case that their players are better organised and better coached than ours then how long do we keep excusing that, given how long Cook has been here now?
We really need to get something from the Wycombe game, ideally all three points. If we lose again on Tuesday the rest of the season is going to look like a tough old slog and I think questions of whether it's going to work for Cook here would be legitimate. |
Go read the article on the BBC website about Graham Potter at Swansea and Brighton. I don’t think the players in either team would agree with your first sentence. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:42 - Oct 31 with 833 views | Keaneish |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:26 - Oct 31 by Mullet |
Incredible? We are struggling outside of the playoffs in div 3. How anyone is happy right now beats me, but to call scoring goals over a dozen or so games incredible is really stretching to cover up the position we are in.
We’ve not been good enough, we continue to not be good enough and that’s why we are nowhere near where should be. Cook essentially has little over a month or so to save the season snd his job. Anything less then an improvement and he can’t remain. |
I’ve thought the same of you for a long time let here you still are bleating your dreary negative tones after every defeat. People like you make this forum insufferable. You don’t represent the mood of the vast majority of the fan base, in fact, you’re way off the pace as you have been for some time.
The sad thing is, a lot of folk will be watching iFollow on Tuesday; a win and you’ll climb back into the woodwork, a defeat and you’ll be out here banging your “Cook out” nonsense again. It’s painful having you along for the ride and I wish we could have cut loose a long time ago, yet, you remain, a stale hangover of the MM era and talisman for all that’s wrong with this forum. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:46 - Oct 31 with 816 views | Dubtractor |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:42 - Oct 31 by Keaneish |
I’ve thought the same of you for a long time let here you still are bleating your dreary negative tones after every defeat. People like you make this forum insufferable. You don’t represent the mood of the vast majority of the fan base, in fact, you’re way off the pace as you have been for some time.
The sad thing is, a lot of folk will be watching iFollow on Tuesday; a win and you’ll climb back into the woodwork, a defeat and you’ll be out here banging your “Cook out” nonsense again. It’s painful having you along for the ride and I wish we could have cut loose a long time ago, yet, you remain, a stale hangover of the MM era and talisman for all that’s wrong with this forum. |
As a poster with no axe to grind with either you or Mullet, I have to say that is an utterly bizarre post. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:46 - Oct 31 with 807 views | Stadiumofdark |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:42 - Oct 31 by Keaneish |
I’ve thought the same of you for a long time let here you still are bleating your dreary negative tones after every defeat. People like you make this forum insufferable. You don’t represent the mood of the vast majority of the fan base, in fact, you’re way off the pace as you have been for some time.
The sad thing is, a lot of folk will be watching iFollow on Tuesday; a win and you’ll climb back into the woodwork, a defeat and you’ll be out here banging your “Cook out” nonsense again. It’s painful having you along for the ride and I wish we could have cut loose a long time ago, yet, you remain, a stale hangover of the MM era and talisman for all that’s wrong with this forum. |
which part of his post do you actually disagree with? |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:47 - Oct 31 with 823 views | tractorshark |
We definitely had the better chances yesterday but I would say Plymouth looked the better team.
A draw would have been a fair result in my opinion.
The ref was shocking. Very fussy and inconsistent but he’s not the reason why we lost.
Bonne missed 2 sitters, Edwards and Harper also. And Penney was guilty of a dreadful error.
The good thing is we are creating chances, we actually look a genuine threat for the first time in years.
Edwards looked a lot better than in recent weeks (from about 40 minutes onwards) and Celina changed the game when he came on.
But defensively we have to be better and Cook has to take some responsibility for that, regardless of individual errors.
Cook’s record is poor at Ipswich and a few weeks ago I was expecting him to be gone by November.
But there are signs we are heading in the right direction and, for me, I would give him the season to prove he’s the man to take us forwards.
We have been used to so many false dawns at Ipswich, it’s understandable the fans want instant success.
But this club has been in decline for ages and maybe it will be 2 years or so before we can repair the damage done by the decisions of the previous owner and some of his managers.
When we went down, a lot of people on this forum said a year in League One wouldn’t be a bad thing, it would allow us to reset. I never agreed with that and reminded them Sheffield United took 6 seasons to get out of it.
During that time, they had 4 managers, including Nigel Clough and Nigel Adkins, and 2 caretakers.
Eventually they got Chris Wilder.
There are similarities with Ipswich right now. Cook may not be our Chris Wilder, only time will tell. But my head tells me we have to stick with him this season and give him that opportunity or we’re just going to write off another season with another managerial change. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:48]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:49 - Oct 31 with 773 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:42 - Oct 31 by Keaneish |
I’ve thought the same of you for a long time let here you still are bleating your dreary negative tones after every defeat. People like you make this forum insufferable. You don’t represent the mood of the vast majority of the fan base, in fact, you’re way off the pace as you have been for some time.
The sad thing is, a lot of folk will be watching iFollow on Tuesday; a win and you’ll climb back into the woodwork, a defeat and you’ll be out here banging your “Cook out” nonsense again. It’s painful having you along for the ride and I wish we could have cut loose a long time ago, yet, you remain, a stale hangover of the MM era and talisman for all that’s wrong with this forum. |
You numpty. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:51 - Oct 31 with 761 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:36 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Go read the article on the BBC website about Graham Potter at Swansea and Brighton. I don’t think the players in either team would agree with your first sentence. |
I'm not really interested in what Swansea or Brighton players would say to be honest, I'm more concerned about how my club are doing. We're not doing very well, and that bothers me. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:53 - Oct 31 with 759 views | ColchesterBlue1985 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:54 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
If you think scoring more than 30 league goals before November isn't incredible then you've not gone to a single game of the last 15 years. For instance last 15 we create 3 golden chances as we have the belief of keep knocking on that door, again we would've rolled over completely on 50 minutes with anyone else.
Up until 5pm yesterday we were a top 6 side on form, one defeat to top of the league and the digging of stats come out. Would absolutely love to know your thoughts had we bagged a last minute equaliser.
A 5 of Walton, Donacien, Edmundson, Nsiala & Coulson for 10 straight games wouldn't see us concede 2 a game, but for luck we haven't seen that yet. |
So you’ve completely ignored the fact we conceded the most in the league. My thoughts if we had scored a last minute equaliser would have been relief yes but not ecstasy like your are insinuating. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:54 - Oct 31 with 748 views | Dennyx4 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:47 - Oct 31 by tractorshark |
We definitely had the better chances yesterday but I would say Plymouth looked the better team.
A draw would have been a fair result in my opinion.
The ref was shocking. Very fussy and inconsistent but he’s not the reason why we lost.
Bonne missed 2 sitters, Edwards and Harper also. And Penney was guilty of a dreadful error.
The good thing is we are creating chances, we actually look a genuine threat for the first time in years.
Edwards looked a lot better than in recent weeks (from about 40 minutes onwards) and Celina changed the game when he came on.
But defensively we have to be better and Cook has to take some responsibility for that, regardless of individual errors.
Cook’s record is poor at Ipswich and a few weeks ago I was expecting him to be gone by November.
But there are signs we are heading in the right direction and, for me, I would give him the season to prove he’s the man to take us forwards.
We have been used to so many false dawns at Ipswich, it’s understandable the fans want instant success.
But this club has been in decline for ages and maybe it will be 2 years or so before we can repair the damage done by the decisions of the previous owner and some of his managers.
When we went down, a lot of people on this forum said a year in League One wouldn’t be a bad thing, it would allow us to reset. I never agreed with that and reminded them Sheffield United took 6 seasons to get out of it.
During that time, they had 4 managers, including Nigel Clough and Nigel Adkins, and 2 caretakers.
Eventually they got Chris Wilder.
There are similarities with Ipswich right now. Cook may not be our Chris Wilder, only time will tell. But my head tells me we have to stick with him this season and give him that opportunity or we’re just going to write off another season with another managerial change. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:48]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:54 - Oct 31 with 749 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:34 - Oct 31 by Vic |
What’s your point Joe?
Despite your protestations that you’re not anti Cook this looks like another post designed to undermine and highlight the negatives.
We all know the start has not been good! It has been much poorer than anyone, him included wanted. But things have been improving and we have a good squad. What is gained by the continual negative posts? |
Why is everything about pro-Cook and anti-Cook - to tell the truth I am just pro-ITFC and I don't care who the manger in the dugout is if they are doing a good job.
And we are 11th in league 1 at the end of October, closer to the relegation zone than the top 6 and the fans have become so accepting of mediocrity a few goals when we have the most overpowered squad in this league is seen as progress.
We need to win games, and we need to win them fast - we have embarked on our first tough run of games of the season and we've lost the first one - we looked like we should have drawn, but put simply we didn't. We have dropped too many points against the Morecambes, Cambridges, Wimbledons and Cheltenhams of this league to be content now with improved performances.
This season isn't going to wait for us, we either shape up fast or it will be as good as over. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:55]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:55 - Oct 31 with 718 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:05 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Some people are happy to how poor last season was as there were mitigating factors - personally I don’t but that is neither nor there.
But now this season has been just as poor, it’s not about comparing the two but illustrating just how far off it we continue to be. |
I'm not happy with last season, but I can see why it was what it was.
This season the start has been poor... because we needed to get up to speed with a new team. I don't know how some people can't seem to see this, it's so obvious.
It might also be that Cook is a carp manager, but it's far too early, and there are too many mitigating circumstances (for both seasons) to tell.
The reason we continue to be far off it is that poor start (you must admit the recent form has been pretty good). So I don't see what is served by keep harping on about things we can't change. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:57 - Oct 31 with 711 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:47 - Oct 31 by tractorshark |
We definitely had the better chances yesterday but I would say Plymouth looked the better team.
A draw would have been a fair result in my opinion.
The ref was shocking. Very fussy and inconsistent but he’s not the reason why we lost.
Bonne missed 2 sitters, Edwards and Harper also. And Penney was guilty of a dreadful error.
The good thing is we are creating chances, we actually look a genuine threat for the first time in years.
Edwards looked a lot better than in recent weeks (from about 40 minutes onwards) and Celina changed the game when he came on.
But defensively we have to be better and Cook has to take some responsibility for that, regardless of individual errors.
Cook’s record is poor at Ipswich and a few weeks ago I was expecting him to be gone by November.
But there are signs we are heading in the right direction and, for me, I would give him the season to prove he’s the man to take us forwards.
We have been used to so many false dawns at Ipswich, it’s understandable the fans want instant success.
But this club has been in decline for ages and maybe it will be 2 years or so before we can repair the damage done by the decisions of the previous owner and some of his managers.
When we went down, a lot of people on this forum said a year in League One wouldn’t be a bad thing, it would allow us to reset. I never agreed with that and reminded them Sheffield United took 6 seasons to get out of it.
During that time, they had 4 managers, including Nigel Clough and Nigel Adkins, and 2 caretakers.
Eventually they got Chris Wilder.
There are similarities with Ipswich right now. Cook may not be our Chris Wilder, only time will tell. But my head tells me we have to stick with him this season and give him that opportunity or we’re just going to write off another season with another managerial change. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:48]
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Good post and it's where I'm at as well. We've given ourselves a hell of a lot to do but Cook gets the season for me. It's his squad, no excuses and we need to average 2 points per game from here on in. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:59]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:57 - Oct 31 with 696 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:05 - Oct 31 by blueboyd |
Portsmouth really were rubbish though, if you saw the game they were absolutely hopeless. |
I did see the game. They also had a good home record and had recently stuffed Sunderland. You've totally missed my point. You're saying this after the event - when part of them being hopeless was us making them that way! | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:58 - Oct 31 with 696 views | DinnernotTea |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:34 - Oct 31 by Vic |
What’s your point Joe?
Despite your protestations that you’re not anti Cook this looks like another post designed to undermine and highlight the negatives.
We all know the start has not been good! It has been much poorer than anyone, him included wanted. But things have been improving and we have a good squad. What is gained by the continual negative posts? |
It's tiresome. It's all about the sulk from allowing Chambers to move on and we don't have 9 academy starters per game.
It's mad just how quiet this place was exactly a week ago. Did anyone see any stats spat out one way or the other?
The most corrupt fan base in sport. The now now now Mafia and the told you so brigade cannot wait for a defeat on Tuesday. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:59 - Oct 31 with 679 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:57 - Oct 31 by tractorboy1978 |
Good post and it's where I'm at as well. We've given ourselves a hell of a lot to do but Cook gets the season for me. It's his squad, no excuses and we need to average 2 points per game from here on in. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:59]
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I find it odd that so many are willing to give him the season at this stage based on what he's done here to date. I think he needs a bit longer but if we come out of this tough run of games any further adrift than we are now then I find it hard to make a case for him staying in charge. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:00 - Oct 31 with 676 views | Dubtractor |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:55 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not happy with last season, but I can see why it was what it was.
This season the start has been poor... because we needed to get up to speed with a new team. I don't know how some people can't seem to see this, it's so obvious.
It might also be that Cook is a carp manager, but it's far too early, and there are too many mitigating circumstances (for both seasons) to tell.
The reason we continue to be far off it is that poor start (you must admit the recent form has been pretty good). So I don't see what is served by keep harping on about things we can't change. |
"So I don't see what is served by keep harping on about things we can't change."
Mate, its a football forum where people discuss the team we support. It is EXACTLY the point of this place. Unless you want to ban people from saying anything that isn't positive?
Our support on match days, home and away, has been amazing, even through the very ropey start. Its perfectly reasonable for people to be a bit more reflective, and to discuss the bad bits on here without being jumped on for it. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:02 - Oct 31 with 653 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:20 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
You do know that most L1 and L2 teams have a major overhaul every season?
Can I ask...hoping do we go with the 'gel' thing? Half a season? A whole season? These are pro footballers...how long should it take? |
Yes I've heard the overhaul thing many times. I don't really care what other teams do, I can see what mine is doing with my own eyes. And also, with this overhaul thing, what evidence is there of clubs changing their entire first teams and then gelling immediately and shooting up the league? If this happens regularly then please fill me in and I'll happily hold my hands up.
In terms of how long it takes, I can't answer that. But our recent form has been very good. So either Cook has remembered how to be a good manager again (bar yesterday) or the team are getting to know each other better. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:04 - Oct 31 with 645 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:22 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
Indeed...those stats are not in question.
P 15 W 5 D 5 L 5
We are still giving soft goals away...still switching off during games. Still only playing well in patches.
We now have a run of games against better teams...the first was yesterday. We created enough to draw and possibly win. But we didn't.... |
Don't disagree with what you've said there. So what do we do about it? Sack Cook? If not, what? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:06 - Oct 31 with 642 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:24 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
I'd really rather hoped the gelling talk would have died down by the start of November but apparently not. |
I'm sure you would, gelling doesn't help your agenda. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:09 - Oct 31 with 634 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:27 - Oct 31 by Funge |
Weird chat. People saying that 'if X had happened, then Y would've too'.
Conversely, if Celina didn't score last week, then we draw at home against another minnow. He did, we all enjoyed a last minute winner, lovely.
Reducing the argument to 'what if' really doesn't help.
Overall, we're underperfoming, yet again.
Some fans are content to view this as acceptable. I definitely dont. |
It's not weird... Plymouth's first big chance came directly after us missing ours. If we'd scored it Plymouth would be restarting at the centre circle rather than breaking against us. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:09 - Oct 31 with 631 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:58 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
It's tiresome. It's all about the sulk from allowing Chambers to move on and we don't have 9 academy starters per game.
It's mad just how quiet this place was exactly a week ago. Did anyone see any stats spat out one way or the other?
The most corrupt fan base in sport. The now now now Mafia and the told you so brigade cannot wait for a defeat on Tuesday. |
Excellent trolling attempt, solid 7/10. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:11 - Oct 31 with 621 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:32 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
Indeed, and whilst some fans are content to hypothesise about where we'd be if we took all of our chances and the opposition took none of theirs and if we never had any injuries, the season quietly slips away again. |
No-one's said any of that, obviously. Interesting that you don't try to tackle my points, just downarrow them and find others to agree with. You haven't a clue how to debate. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:14 - Oct 31 with 607 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:58 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
It's tiresome. It's all about the sulk from allowing Chambers to move on and we don't have 9 academy starters per game.
It's mad just how quiet this place was exactly a week ago. Did anyone see any stats spat out one way or the other?
The most corrupt fan base in sport. The now now now Mafia and the told you so brigade cannot wait for a defeat on Tuesday. |
The forum wasn't quiet a week ago, there were stats being thrown out.
I don't think you know what corruption is either | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:14 - Oct 31 with 589 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:33 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
I’m not sure last but is quite the case, I know Burns for sure (don’t know on Donacien) travelled down separately because he was sick and they were hoping he’d be better for the game so you’d imagine the replacements were already there
Despite having 2 players ill we still had Louie Barry travel and not make the match day squad |
I can only go by what Brenner said. But it's a fact that it massively disrupted us. I can't really comment on Barry, haven't seen enough of him. For the most part the Coulson experiment didn't work... but he did lay on Bonne's sitter for him. | |
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