| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14706 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:42 - Oct 31 with 962 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:36 - Oct 31 by Vic |
The point the players of both clubs made was that whilst the results didn’t improve immediately they were happy with that because they could see things changing and a philosophy being imbedded and believed results would pick up accordingly with time.
We (the fans) don’t seem to want to afford the present manager the same privilege. |
Their comments were specific to Potter and his way of doing things, which sounds very far removed from how Cook operates. They are also two clubs that are trying to punch above their weight where slow progression has to be the goal. It's not comparable to our situation for me, but if you take something from it then that's up to you. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:47 - Oct 31 with 954 views | jayessess |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:37 - Oct 31 by tractorshark |
You’re full of assumptions but still no names.
But to confirm yes you’re right Cook is underperforming. Do I think John Coleman will improve us because Accrington are 10th? No.
I’m not sold by Cook, never have been but my reasoning right now is based on the direction we are heading. After the Bolton game, I thought he’d be gone by November at the latest but there have been signs of improvement and, because of that, I would give him the season.
You may not agree and that’s fair enough but again the question still stands. If not Cook, then who? |
I'm not sure why you'd assume John Coleman couldn't possibly improve us right now? On a shoestring his Accrington side are more resilient than us and regularly win games against superior opposition, mostly through organisation and attitude. Absolutely no reason why that wouldn't translate into an immediate upturn for a group of players missing precisely those two things.
You can't "give" a manager until the end of the season. They've got to earn it. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 15:47]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:51 - Oct 31 with 931 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:42 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
Their comments were specific to Potter and his way of doing things, which sounds very far removed from how Cook operates. They are also two clubs that are trying to punch above their weight where slow progression has to be the goal. It's not comparable to our situation for me, but if you take something from it then that's up to you. |
So are you saying that slow progression is not our goal? Maybe that is our problem - we want it all, now! Personally I’d be happy with slow progression built on proper, lasting foundations. I also think that is what the new owners are after as well. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:07 - Oct 31 with 915 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:51 - Oct 31 by Vic |
So are you saying that slow progression is not our goal? Maybe that is our problem - we want it all, now! Personally I’d be happy with slow progression built on proper, lasting foundations. I also think that is what the new owners are after as well. |
We're in League 1 ffs, slow progression at this level isn't possible as your best players will invariably leave if you don't get promoted. The goal is to get out of this league as soon as possible and with the squad Cook was backed to assemble that should very much be this season's aim. That we're now talking about a gradual bulkd in the third division is madness. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:18 - Oct 31 with 890 views | ITFCBlues |
We've lost, Joe's back...
Couple or weeks back KVY had to start over Donacien & Wolfy was as good as Edmundson.
Played alright yesterday, deserved something. Missed lots of chances. Clear there are improvements and still areas to work on. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:19 - Oct 31 with 901 views | leitrimblue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:37 - Oct 31 by tractorshark |
You’re full of assumptions but still no names.
But to confirm yes you’re right Cook is underperforming. Do I think John Coleman will improve us because Accrington are 10th? No.
I’m not sold by Cook, never have been but my reasoning right now is based on the direction we are heading. After the Bolton game, I thought he’d be gone by November at the latest but there have been signs of improvement and, because of that, I would give him the season.
You may not agree and that’s fair enough but again the question still stands. If not Cook, then who? |
John Coleman historically does very well when replacing Paul Cook... |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:28 - Oct 31 with 882 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:18 - Oct 31 by ITFCBlues |
We've lost, Joe's back...
Couple or weeks back KVY had to start over Donacien & Wolfy was as good as Edmundson.
Played alright yesterday, deserved something. Missed lots of chances. Clear there are improvements and still areas to work on. |
Joe posts on here win or lose and tries to make a contribution beyond goading his fellow Town fans. Maybe take a leaf out of his book. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:28 - Oct 31 with 880 views | jas0999 |
Let’s be blunt, at a lot of clubs he would have been sacked. That record is shockingly bad. This seasons record is also very poor considering the investment in the squad. |  | | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:35 - Oct 31 with 870 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Just skimmed through this thread but one thing I found interesting is when we knew about unavailability of players.
Cook had alluded to players being out in his press conference and Joe says Burns travelled in hope rather than expectation.
So my questions are: how big was the squad we took and how big would it normally be? Why didn't Barry at least make the bench? Why wasn't KVY taken? What was Cook's thinking behind Woolfenden and Coulson on the right?
Overall, the match still followed the usual pattern of too many this season so how much were these changes responsible anyway?
To be on track, I think we need 10 points from the next 5 matches (November). That is a big ask because of who we are playing but we have put ourselves in that position because of our poor early form. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:43 - Oct 31 with 861 views | Vaughan8 |
I think a massive problem is peoples expectations at the start.
This player is brilliant, so is this one etc. However, having good players doesn't necessary mean they'll hit the ground running, which has clearly happened here.
I haven't watched many games but it seems like our defending is so bad and that is the problem. But if we become more defensive, do we lose our attacking threat (like last year?)
Clearly if the players are as good as people say, we are under performing but I think we are improving(?)
Cook definitely needs more time. We can't just keep sacking managers. Some players , from what has been said, have come here for Cook. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:43 - Oct 31 with 847 views | ITFCBlues |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:28 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
Joe posts on here win or lose and tries to make a contribution beyond goading his fellow Town fans. Maybe take a leaf out of his book. |
If you say so 👠| |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:44 - Oct 31 with 853 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:18 - Oct 31 by ITFCBlues |
We've lost, Joe's back...
Couple or weeks back KVY had to start over Donacien & Wolfy was as good as Edmundson.
Played alright yesterday, deserved something. Missed lots of chances. Clear there are improvements and still areas to work on. |
I think that’s unfair.
I personally find Joe’s posts surprisingly negative this season, but he’s a good bloke, with a better than most take on what’s going on at Town; I don’t think he deserves this sort of comment. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:52 - Oct 31 with 821 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:07 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
We're in League 1 ffs, slow progression at this level isn't possible as your best players will invariably leave if you don't get promoted. The goal is to get out of this league as soon as possible and with the squad Cook was backed to assemble that should very much be this season's aim. That we're now talking about a gradual bulkd in the third division is madness. |
We’ve been in decline for so long that an instant turn around seems unrealistic, despite the dramatic change in playing and coaching staff. Cooks record here is poor, but the squad he and Ashton have put together is, on paper, very strong. The start of the season was very, very disappointing and he gets no free shot from me.
However, progress is being made and if it continues I don’t have a problem. Results may not go our way but performances are consistently better than they were a couple of months ago. I think Cook gets a bit longer to see if we stall in mid table, or if over the next couple of months we overall continue to improve and get consistency. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:55 - Oct 31 with 794 views | ITFCBlues |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:44 - Oct 31 by Vic |
I think that’s unfair.
I personally find Joe’s posts surprisingly negative this season, but he’s a good bloke, with a better than most take on what’s going on at Town; I don’t think he deserves this sort of comment. |
I'm not saying he's not a good bloke and in general, I've enjoyed listening to him on the BM pod. But this year has been something else. Some baffling opinions, especially those on Donacien and Edmundson.
Usually 5 mins after each defeat straight on twitter. This post doesn't surprise me in the least. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 17:34 - Oct 31 with 756 views | Asa |
The last ten matches.
Won 6, Drew 2, Lost 2. One of those defeats was away to the top of the league side, unbeaten in 15 in a match we had chances to win.
Whilst the overall record is poor and nobody can argue, I’m more worried about the last 6, 8, 10 games. It does suggest that we are very much improved and that, with mitigating circumstances last year and the start of this, we are now a serious contender.
Proof will be the next two months. We need to win a good chunk of games against those teams we expect to be in and around. If we don’t do that then there can’t be much argument that we are underperforming against the budget and players having had time to bed in. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 17:58 - Oct 31 with 710 views | Funge |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 15:06 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Not going to disagree with you, apart from to question whether his brief was to get us promoted this season. Despite the passage of time I haven’t yet heard any of the owners, nor the Chairman nor the CEO say that. They have been totally consistent in saying that whilst promotion is the aim this season it is a long term project and we need to be patient, - the clear implication is that it isn’t promotion of bust this season for Cook.
It is us fans (or some of us) that have driven the agenda that promotion is a must this year - and it started when we began to see the quality of players being signed. |
Vic, there is no way that we are bringing Celina in on loan, along with paying his (undoubtedly big) wage, to bumble along and hopefully sneak into the playoffs.
Likewise, Morsy/ Chaplin/ Edwards are all here because we're not going to be in Div 3 for very long (or at least, that was the plan).
Everything the new owners have done is geared towards getting this club playing at a higher level. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 18:00 - Oct 31 with 702 views | fab_lover |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:07 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
We're in League 1 ffs, slow progression at this level isn't possible as your best players will invariably leave if you don't get promoted. The goal is to get out of this league as soon as possible and with the squad Cook was backed to assemble that should very much be this season's aim. That we're now talking about a gradual bulkd in the third division is madness. |
It is probably a flippant, possibly even offensive comparison, but love of one's team can be like being in an abusive relationship*. As fans, we seem to always be convincing ourselves that "tomorrow it will be better".
So now that the odds are probably greater than not that we stay in the Third for another season, many of us are acting as if that was always going to be the case. The owners at the start of each season of course promise us different, but our love for the club is so great we just want "the relationship at any cost" (because of course, unlike real life, we don't really have an alternative).
Twenty years since our last promotion. Twenty years; and arguably in that time, PC has been given the biggest backing to effect change. How I'd love to be proved wrong when we're playing Norwich next year...but I'd lay money that we won't be.
* I've been in a couple. Tomorrow was always going to be better, and it never was. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 18:08 - Oct 31 with 686 views | Mullet |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 17:58 - Oct 31 by Funge |
Vic, there is no way that we are bringing Celina in on loan, along with paying his (undoubtedly big) wage, to bumble along and hopefully sneak into the playoffs.
Likewise, Morsy/ Chaplin/ Edwards are all here because we're not going to be in Div 3 for very long (or at least, that was the plan).
Everything the new owners have done is geared towards getting this club playing at a higher level. |
I am genuinely baffled that wages etc never factor in to some peoples appraisals. That’s more a general observation than a dig at anyone specific. But then, neither do actual points or goals judging by the thread thus far…… |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 18:16 - Oct 31 with 656 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It's very much like the previous sell off ... Town goy in a load of new players and were never as good as the team Evans inherited under Magilton. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 18:20 - Oct 31 with 658 views | Bluefields |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:20 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
So scoring every single game and becoming the leagues top scorers isn't viewed as a positive (when was the last time that happened)? Of course league position wise we should be better but we do the hardest part of football easy, scoring goals. For that reason alone he needs a minimum until May. Because of a fair few reasons he hasn't been able to play his best back 5 game after game either, until this happens we won't know if we can close the door a bit more.
The play of Donacien, Aluko, Burns, Chaplin, Bonne has been incredible and I want more of it. |
Incredible? let’s say decent. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 18:39 - Oct 31 with 629 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 17:58 - Oct 31 by Funge |
Vic, there is no way that we are bringing Celina in on loan, along with paying his (undoubtedly big) wage, to bumble along and hopefully sneak into the playoffs.
Likewise, Morsy/ Chaplin/ Edwards are all here because we're not going to be in Div 3 for very long (or at least, that was the plan).
Everything the new owners have done is geared towards getting this club playing at a higher level. |
Absolutely agree. The only thing is that I’m not sure the top brass are as blinkered as many of us are in saying that it HAS to be this season. My gut feeling is that they have a 2 season max target to be out of this league and will not tolerate the possibility that that may not be achieved. So, if the team is achieving solid playoff or auto form in the second half of the season which sets them up with momentum for next season then I think they’ll take it. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 18:52 - Oct 31 with 609 views | Funge |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 18:39 - Oct 31 by Vic |
Absolutely agree. The only thing is that I’m not sure the top brass are as blinkered as many of us are in saying that it HAS to be this season. My gut feeling is that they have a 2 season max target to be out of this league and will not tolerate the possibility that that may not be achieved. So, if the team is achieving solid playoff or auto form in the second half of the season which sets them up with momentum for next season then I think they’ll take it. |
We'll see.
Like everyone else, I'm pure sick of this league. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:26 - Oct 31 with 522 views | timothyeo |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:22 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Their first one wouldn't have come about if Bonne had beaten the man on the line.
Anyway, I'm not denying they had chances. I'm saying we had more (and much better). If we'd put just one of those away the chat would be entirely different on here after the game. That's the difference and that's why this wailing or cheering after every game is absolute nonsense. |
No, we didnt have better chances, Plymouth did.
Thats literally what the xG stat demonstrates. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:39 - Oct 31 with 503 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 16:28 - Oct 31 by jas0999 |
Let’s be blunt, at a lot of clubs he would have been sacked. That record is shockingly bad. This seasons record is also very poor considering the investment in the squad. |
He could have no complaints if he is sacked soon, and surely fans wouldn't be surprised?
We obviously don't have a read on the new owners as yet, but I just can't see that his job is particularly safe at the moment | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:47 - Oct 31 with 475 views | Vic |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 20:39 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
He could have no complaints if he is sacked soon, and surely fans wouldn't be surprised?
We obviously don't have a read on the new owners as yet, but I just can't see that his job is particularly safe at the moment |
Joe, is this just a hunch or are you hearing whispers? I ask because it very much isn't in line with what they’ve said up to now. All I’ve heard is ‘the long game’, ‘patience’ etc. | |
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