| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14697 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:19 - Oct 31 with 741 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:47 - Oct 31 by tractorshark |
We definitely had the better chances yesterday but I would say Plymouth looked the better team.
A draw would have been a fair result in my opinion.
The ref was shocking. Very fussy and inconsistent but he’s not the reason why we lost.
Bonne missed 2 sitters, Edwards and Harper also. And Penney was guilty of a dreadful error.
The good thing is we are creating chances, we actually look a genuine threat for the first time in years.
Edwards looked a lot better than in recent weeks (from about 40 minutes onwards) and Celina changed the game when he came on.
But defensively we have to be better and Cook has to take some responsibility for that, regardless of individual errors.
Cook’s record is poor at Ipswich and a few weeks ago I was expecting him to be gone by November.
But there are signs we are heading in the right direction and, for me, I would give him the season to prove he’s the man to take us forwards.
We have been used to so many false dawns at Ipswich, it’s understandable the fans want instant success.
But this club has been in decline for ages and maybe it will be 2 years or so before we can repair the damage done by the decisions of the previous owner and some of his managers.
When we went down, a lot of people on this forum said a year in League One wouldn’t be a bad thing, it would allow us to reset. I never agreed with that and reminded them Sheffield United took 6 seasons to get out of it.
During that time, they had 4 managers, including Nigel Clough and Nigel Adkins, and 2 caretakers.
Eventually they got Chris Wilder.
There are similarities with Ipswich right now. Cook may not be our Chris Wilder, only time will tell. But my head tells me we have to stick with him this season and give him that opportunity or we’re just going to write off another season with another managerial change. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:48]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:20 - Oct 31 with 737 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:51 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
I'm not really interested in what Swansea or Brighton players would say to be honest, I'm more concerned about how my club are doing. We're not doing very well, and that bothers me. |
What do you want to do about it then? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:25 - Oct 31 with 705 views | Funge |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:58 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
It's tiresome. It's all about the sulk from allowing Chambers to move on and we don't have 9 academy starters per game.
It's mad just how quiet this place was exactly a week ago. Did anyone see any stats spat out one way or the other?
The most corrupt fan base in sport. The now now now Mafia and the told you so brigade cannot wait for a defeat on Tuesday. |
'The most corrupt fan base in sport'
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:26 - Oct 31 with 711 views | Fixed_It |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:34 - Oct 31 by Vic |
What’s your point Joe?
Despite your protestations that you’re not anti Cook this looks like another post designed to undermine and highlight the negatives.
We all know the start has not been good! It has been much poorer than anyone, him included wanted. But things have been improving and we have a good squad. What is gained by the continual negative posts? |
I like Joe, and respect his views. He is clearly a very knowledgeable bloke. However, there has been a definite shift in his tone since the 'old guard' were moved on. Whether that is subconscious or not, only he will know. Yes, this season has not lived up to our expectations (yet) - but things are moving in the right direction, albeit not as quickly as we would like and possibly need. Massive games coming up. I am convinced we would have won yesterday without the late illness which threw the preparations out of the window. And if we had, the tone on here would have been very different. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:27]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:27 - Oct 31 with 694 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:54 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Why is everything about pro-Cook and anti-Cook - to tell the truth I am just pro-ITFC and I don't care who the manger in the dugout is if they are doing a good job.
And we are 11th in league 1 at the end of October, closer to the relegation zone than the top 6 and the fans have become so accepting of mediocrity a few goals when we have the most overpowered squad in this league is seen as progress.
We need to win games, and we need to win them fast - we have embarked on our first tough run of games of the season and we've lost the first one - we looked like we should have drawn, but put simply we didn't. We have dropped too many points against the Morecambes, Cambridges, Wimbledons and Cheltenhams of this league to be content now with improved performances.
This season isn't going to wait for us, we either shape up fast or it will be as good as over. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:55]
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"Why is everything about pro-Cook and anti-Cook?"
Because you wanted the Cowleys and have never taken to Cook, particularly with the way he kicked out your mate Chambo. Which is understandable, to be honest. I'd be anti-Cook as well in your circumstances. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:29 - Oct 31 with 678 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:00 - Oct 31 by Dubtractor |
"So I don't see what is served by keep harping on about things we can't change."
Mate, its a football forum where people discuss the team we support. It is EXACTLY the point of this place. Unless you want to ban people from saying anything that isn't positive?
Our support on match days, home and away, has been amazing, even through the very ropey start. Its perfectly reasonable for people to be a bit more reflective, and to discuss the bad bits on here without being jumped on for it. |
Yeah, fair point. So there's nothing practical, it's just having a good moan. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:30]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:30 - Oct 31 with 686 views | Fixed_It |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:59 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
I find it odd that so many are willing to give him the season at this stage based on what he's done here to date. I think he needs a bit longer but if we come out of this tough run of games any further adrift than we are now then I find it hard to make a case for him staying in charge. |
It is time to build, not change - again. It is that simple. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:33 - Oct 31 with 663 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:26 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
I like Joe, and respect his views. He is clearly a very knowledgeable bloke. However, there has been a definite shift in his tone since the 'old guard' were moved on. Whether that is subconscious or not, only he will know. Yes, this season has not lived up to our expectations (yet) - but things are moving in the right direction, albeit not as quickly as we would like and possibly need. Massive games coming up. I am convinced we would have won yesterday without the late illness which threw the preparations out of the window. And if we had, the tone on here would have been very different. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:27]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:33 - Oct 31 with 667 views | NeedhamChris |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:27 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Why is everything about pro-Cook and anti-Cook?"
Because you wanted the Cowleys and have never taken to Cook, particularly with the way he kicked out your mate Chambo. Which is understandable, to be honest. I'd be anti-Cook as well in your circumstances. |
That’s a bit cheap isn’t it? The majority of us who aren’t happy with Cook aren’t hung up on Chambos departure but we are disappointed that we are further away from the top 6 than we were under Lambert.
Rather than challenging Joes view you’re just looking for a cheap shot to undermine it.
Is there a red line for you this season? Or does Cook get the whole season regardless? |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:34 - Oct 31 with 662 views | Funge |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:27 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Why is everything about pro-Cook and anti-Cook?"
Because you wanted the Cowleys and have never taken to Cook, particularly with the way he kicked out your mate Chambo. Which is understandable, to be honest. I'd be anti-Cook as well in your circumstances. |
QED.
I disagree with Joe on a fair few things, but your interpretation here is very unfair.
I want this football club to achieve something; like, you know, maybe a first promotion in 20 (!!) years.
The current manager has been fully indulged by the owners, and we have 20k supporters turning up at PR at present - berserk numbers for Division 3.
Cook's remit is to get us promoted - we're miles off that at the moment. It's not even being pro- or anti-Cook; this seasons task is to get us up.
We don't look anywhere close to that at present. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:35 - Oct 31 with 653 views | Mullet |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:46 - Oct 31 by Dubtractor |
As a poster with no axe to grind with either you or Mullet, I have to say that is an utterly bizarre post. |
Been desperate for my attention for years now. Constantly had my name in his mouth, making personal digs like the other oddball stalker in here. If I’d bother reporting him every time he’d be on an nth username by now.
I think that post sums it up entirely. His positioning as some sort of football expert, but continually being wrong seems to have cracked him. I’d bet anything he posts more about MM than I do, and as shown here only ever argues against what he wishes was posted.
The notion that if Cook doesn’t improve us from mid table he will remain is hardly controversial or Cook out is it? This is also the bloke that used to cry about us all being Town fans. Yet he’s spent years trying to rid you all of me…… yeah. Brilliant. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:36 - Oct 31 with 648 views | NeedhamChris |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:26 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
I like Joe, and respect his views. He is clearly a very knowledgeable bloke. However, there has been a definite shift in his tone since the 'old guard' were moved on. Whether that is subconscious or not, only he will know. Yes, this season has not lived up to our expectations (yet) - but things are moving in the right direction, albeit not as quickly as we would like and possibly need. Massive games coming up. I am convinced we would have won yesterday without the late illness which threw the preparations out of the window. And if we had, the tone on here would have been very different. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:27]
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As a general rule, if we’re now clutching to 3 points achieved in a parallel universe then things must be pretty desperate.
But hey, if the reality isn’t good enough - imagine a different one! | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:38 - Oct 31 with 632 views | Burns7 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 by Bluedandy |
Cook has until the end of season ... no doubting the quality for this level and in patches our play has been a big improvement on the last few years.
Given the resources we should expect that and getting into playoffs this season is the absolute minimum required ... no project BS ... this is the third division.
If we fall short, his job should be on the line, but in the meantime, my frothy glass remains half full ...
I see us making the playoffs (automatic has gone) followed by our first ever trip to the new Wembley where we will lose.
Cook keeps his job and then the season after we'll be promoted automatically. |
Four seasons in League One is not acceptable and represents a continuing decline of the club. Next season there won’t be Bonne, financially how much more backing will the pension fund allow Johnson given that they’ve spent close to £50million already to achieve absolutely nothing. We’re a middle of the road League One team made up of largely journeyman players whose best football was played in this league three or four years ago. Our chance to recover has been utterly annihilated by Cook. We’re going to be stuck in this league or worse for years if the support keeps accepting this level of failure.
Get him out and do it now while we still have a chance. He’s worse than Lambert for christ sakes! |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:38 - Oct 31 with 626 views | Mullet |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:30 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
It is time to build, not change - again. It is that simple. |
Seems we’ve dug a lot of foundations unfortunately….. regardless of Cook, I think what we need to see is sort of club culture built by the ownership. Like Swansea or whoever, where the pattern is broadly the same even when the coaches change. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:38 - Oct 31 with 619 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:33 - Oct 31 by NeedhamChris |
That’s a bit cheap isn’t it? The majority of us who aren’t happy with Cook aren’t hung up on Chambos departure but we are disappointed that we are further away from the top 6 than we were under Lambert.
Rather than challenging Joes view you’re just looking for a cheap shot to undermine it.
Is there a red line for you this season? Or does Cook get the whole season regardless? |
Joe brought up "why does everything have to be pro/anti Cook" so I answered why I think he's anti. If you want me to go through everyone that might take some time.
We are under utterly different circumstances to Lambert. Once Cook has had the same amount of time as Lambert we can judge then.
I don't have a red line. Again it isn't black or white (or red). If I don't see improvement he should go. But I have seen improvement. We're not great enough to build him a statue but we're not bad enough to sack him and start again either. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:39 - Oct 31 with 617 views | bobbyramsey |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:33 - Oct 31 by NeedhamChris |
That’s a bit cheap isn’t it? The majority of us who aren’t happy with Cook aren’t hung up on Chambos departure but we are disappointed that we are further away from the top 6 than we were under Lambert.
Rather than challenging Joes view you’re just looking for a cheap shot to undermine it.
Is there a red line for you this season? Or does Cook get the whole season regardless? |
Lambert had years, Cook has had months to try and build a whole new squad
A 60% win rate over the last ten games in all competitions signals definite progress.
What would definitely kill our season stone dead and send us back to square one would be another change of manager. |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:39 - Oct 31 with 623 views | Dubtractor |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:26 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
I like Joe, and respect his views. He is clearly a very knowledgeable bloke. However, there has been a definite shift in his tone since the 'old guard' were moved on. Whether that is subconscious or not, only he will know. Yes, this season has not lived up to our expectations (yet) - but things are moving in the right direction, albeit not as quickly as we would like and possibly need. Massive games coming up. I am convinced we would have won yesterday without the late illness which threw the preparations out of the window. And if we had, the tone on here would have been very different. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:27]
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I dunno, I can see why you'd think that, and I bet Joe will regret admitting that he knows Chambers for ages, but I think it is simpler than that.
Both last season, and this season so far, Cook has done worse than Lambert. That's Lambert, a manager who had evidently clocked off by the end, who stunk the place out, and who our fanbase almost universally wanted out.
Now there are obviously some mitigating circumstances here, and some fall back on these more than others, but in the cold light of day it isn't good enough. not by a really long way.
The only question for me right now, is whether our recent upturn in form can be maintained (yesterday aside). If it can then we're all good and can look forward to a decent season. But if we come out of this next run of games with mostly poor results against the top teams then I really do think that Ashton/Gamechanger etc are going to have to make a tough decision re Cook. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:41 - Oct 31 with 604 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:34 - Oct 31 by Funge |
QED.
I disagree with Joe on a fair few things, but your interpretation here is very unfair.
I want this football club to achieve something; like, you know, maybe a first promotion in 20 (!!) years.
The current manager has been fully indulged by the owners, and we have 20k supporters turning up at PR at present - berserk numbers for Division 3.
Cook's remit is to get us promoted - we're miles off that at the moment. It's not even being pro- or anti-Cook; this seasons task is to get us up.
We don't look anywhere close to that at present. |
So we should sack Cook now and start again? | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:42 - Oct 31 with 591 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:36 - Oct 31 by NeedhamChris |
As a general rule, if we’re now clutching to 3 points achieved in a parallel universe then things must be pretty desperate.
But hey, if the reality isn’t good enough - imagine a different one! |
Childish stuff like this doesn't really help the discussion, if a discussion is what you want. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:43 - Oct 31 with 580 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:38 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
Four seasons in League One is not acceptable and represents a continuing decline of the club. Next season there won’t be Bonne, financially how much more backing will the pension fund allow Johnson given that they’ve spent close to £50million already to achieve absolutely nothing. We’re a middle of the road League One team made up of largely journeyman players whose best football was played in this league three or four years ago. Our chance to recover has been utterly annihilated by Cook. We’re going to be stuck in this league or worse for years if the support keeps accepting this level of failure.
Get him out and do it now while we still have a chance. He’s worse than Lambert for christ sakes! |
Why is this troll still here Phil? This one's worse than Blubbers. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:45 - Oct 31 with 576 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:26 - Oct 31 by Fixed_It |
I like Joe, and respect his views. He is clearly a very knowledgeable bloke. However, there has been a definite shift in his tone since the 'old guard' were moved on. Whether that is subconscious or not, only he will know. Yes, this season has not lived up to our expectations (yet) - but things are moving in the right direction, albeit not as quickly as we would like and possibly need. Massive games coming up. I am convinced we would have won yesterday without the late illness which threw the preparations out of the window. And if we had, the tone on here would have been very different. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:27]
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I found the way the academy players were treated far more disappointing and OTT than the old guard, I really wasn't fussed by the 'old guard' staying or going - I felt most of them going was probably the right way to go, some could have had squad roles but none were players I wanted to see starting when this season rolled around so that constant accusation I get is so far off it.
I was firmly identified as a 'Cook outer' well before I had even spoke to Chambers with regards to how he had been treated
He's just simply never got it right with what we had in the squad - wehter that be what he inherited or what he brought in - it's incredibly frustrating as he has a brilliant record and the players were there, and are here. It all feels a bit Paul Jewell - we'll go on good runs and have eye catching results, but doesn't fell as though we are goign anywhere | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:46 - Oct 31 with 562 views | Mullet |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:39 - Oct 31 by bobbyramsey |
Lambert had years, Cook has had months to try and build a whole new squad
A 60% win rate over the last ten games in all competitions signals definite progress.
What would definitely kill our season stone dead and send us back to square one would be another change of manager. |
In fairness Lambert had nowhere near this backing, nor did Cook have to rebuild the squad, he fell out with loads of players and chose to go down this route.
This accepted wisdom it had to happen, glosses over the fact it was his choice, as with the back room staff etc. Cook has done this before, however never to this extent and the one kink in the line us that at Pompey the star players weren’t the ones he bought they were standout youths like Chaplin for example. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:47 - Oct 31 with 557 views | NeedhamChris |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:43 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why is this troll still here Phil? This one's worse than Blubbers. |
Erm, because he disagrees with you?
It’s expressed strongly but nothing there I fundamentally disagree with | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:48 - Oct 31 with 553 views | StokieBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:38 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
Four seasons in League One is not acceptable and represents a continuing decline of the club. Next season there won’t be Bonne, financially how much more backing will the pension fund allow Johnson given that they’ve spent close to £50million already to achieve absolutely nothing. We’re a middle of the road League One team made up of largely journeyman players whose best football was played in this league three or four years ago. Our chance to recover has been utterly annihilated by Cook. We’re going to be stuck in this league or worse for years if the support keeps accepting this level of failure.
Get him out and do it now while we still have a chance. He’s worse than Lambert for christ sakes! |
50m?
Show your working.
"League One team made up of largely journeyman players whose best football was played in this league three or four years ago"
This gives you away, it's fine to be unhappy at Cook but this is clearly nonsense.
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:49 - Oct 31 with 544 views | StokieBlue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 09:47 - Oct 31 by NeedhamChris |
Erm, because he disagrees with you?
It’s expressed strongly but nothing there I fundamentally disagree with |
You agree that we have spent 50m and that our team is made up of League One journeymen?
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