| Is there anyone out there 05:47 - Nov 18 with 5302 views | BlueNomad |
Who still thinks BJ is good Prime Minister? If yes, why? |  | | |  |
| Is there anyone out there on 09:57 - Nov 18 with 1316 views | noggin |
| Is there anyone out there on 09:38 - Nov 18 by Oldboy |
What have I said that isn't helpful?
I said the opposition should hold the Government to account.
I wasn't on about how they act in the playground which is the houses of parliament, but when you see/hear them on the tv/radio. They just say the Conservatives should have done this or that. I am against a conservative government, but I need to hear what the opposition would do differently. |
The media will destroy any "strong opposition" because it would mean the wealthy having to pay more. See Jeremy Corbyn for details. |  |
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| Is there anyone out there on 10:17 - Nov 18 with 1271 views | eireblue |
| Is there anyone out there on 05:50 - Nov 18 by solomon |
Only Boris believes this. |
I don’t believe he even thinks this.
He just knows enough people will believe in his act. |  | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 10:22 - Nov 18 with 1268 views | eireblue |
| Is there anyone out there on 09:38 - Nov 18 by Oldboy |
What have I said that isn't helpful?
I said the opposition should hold the Government to account.
I wasn't on about how they act in the playground which is the houses of parliament, but when you see/hear them on the tv/radio. They just say the Conservatives should have done this or that. I am against a conservative government, but I need to hear what the opposition would do differently. |
If you need to hear something, you will be doomed to voting for the best sound bites, and will be making simple emotional based decisions.
A bad idea, presented in an easily consumable way, is still a bad idea, that unfortunately, gets done.
You could read stuff. | | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 10:52 - Nov 18 with 1235 views | Oldboy |
| Is there anyone out there on 09:48 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
So when they say the Conservatives should have done this or that, you don't think that counts as saying what they would have done differently? Because it sounds to me a lot like that is what they are doing.
The unhelpful bit is pushing the line that nobody else is any better than the Tories. I'm struggling to see what basis there is for such a claim. Their record in government has been abysmal, they are mired in sleaze and corruption. If you look at the number of Tories who also work as paid consultants/lobbyists for private interests and look at who is finding the party in contrast to the other parties you will see there are significant differences. And I gave you a concrete example of a hot topic issue where Labour proposed something different to the Tories and it got voted down. That's what tends to happen when you aren't the government. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 11:31]
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If that is how you want to read it, then of course, that is up to you. |  | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 10:53 - Nov 18 with 1224 views | Oldboy |
| Is there anyone out there on 10:22 - Nov 18 by eireblue |
If you need to hear something, you will be doomed to voting for the best sound bites, and will be making simple emotional based decisions.
A bad idea, presented in an easily consumable way, is still a bad idea, that unfortunately, gets done.
You could read stuff. |
I read plenty thank you. | | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 11:24 - Nov 18 with 1201 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Is there anyone out there on 07:52 - Nov 18 by SomethingBlue |
No chance, he's squarely behind a lot of the most dangerous sh7t they are up to. |
Absolutely. Gove is the most dangerous because he is a rabid ideologue who finds ways to enact vast change in relatively short time frames in which ever department he is given.
He is personally responsible for a whole generation of autistic children not receiving Educational Psychologist assessments, and therefore no statement, for example.
He spent his time in Education on a mission to destroy Local Authority Education departments for ideological reasons, and succeeded. He didn't care about the collateral damage. |  | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 11:30 - Nov 18 with 1193 views | hype313 |
He's one of if the most hideous PM's we have ever had.
He's an even more horrific human being.
Hopefully he will banished to history by either the backbenchers early, or voters in due course. |  |
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| Is there anyone out there on 11:30 - Nov 18 with 1191 views | Herbivore |
| Is there anyone out there on 11:24 - Nov 18 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Absolutely. Gove is the most dangerous because he is a rabid ideologue who finds ways to enact vast change in relatively short time frames in which ever department he is given.
He is personally responsible for a whole generation of autistic children not receiving Educational Psychologist assessments, and therefore no statement, for example.
He spent his time in Education on a mission to destroy Local Authority Education departments for ideological reasons, and succeeded. He didn't care about the collateral damage. |
Another of his hobby horses was speeding up the process of forced adoption, in part because he himself was adopted and sees it as a good thing, despite this being a practice that many other European countries find abhorrent. There's a debate to be had about the rights and wrongs of it as a practice, but it's an odd thing to prioritise pushing through legislation to speed up the process and making it harder for parents to contest. |  |
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| Is there anyone out there on 11:43 - Nov 18 with 1176 views | hype313 |
| Is there anyone out there on 11:30 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
Another of his hobby horses was speeding up the process of forced adoption, in part because he himself was adopted and sees it as a good thing, despite this being a practice that many other European countries find abhorrent. There's a debate to be had about the rights and wrongs of it as a practice, but it's an odd thing to prioritise pushing through legislation to speed up the process and making it harder for parents to contest. |
How does a country, with so many clever and hard working people, find itself governed by delusional, impractical fools ? | |
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| Is there anyone out there on 11:59 - Nov 18 with 1164 views | Herbivore |
| Is there anyone out there on 11:43 - Nov 18 by hype313 |
How does a country, with so many clever and hard working people, find itself governed by delusional, impractical fools ? |
Politically we're a very ignorant country. We don't teach kids about politics, we don't really encourage critical thinking either. People aren't engaged. Remember the day after the referendum when "What is the EU?" was the leading Google search in the UK? That about sums it up in many respects.
Plus we have a media that is very pro maintenance of the status quo, the media in this country is largely owned by people for whom change is frightening and it's all about maintaining wealth and power. The Tories are in bed with the media, hence 90% of the media being pro Tory, which means that there is a cosy relationship where each try to sustain and further the interests of the other. This means our media is not only uncritical most of the time but happy to peddle outright lies if necessary. Given that many voters uncritically engage with this content, it's easy to convince them the other sides are bad and they should vote Tory.
All of this means we end up with politicians who are only in it to further their own interests and the interests of their associates. There's no genuine concern for the average man on the street. This doesn't apply to all of course, there are principled politicians out there, but they rarely get far. And by and large the people that thrive aren't very bright, they just lack scruples and are useful idiots. Look at Dominic Raab, ffs. A failure of the education system in scrotal form. | |
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| Is there anyone out there on 12:10 - Nov 18 with 1147 views | tractordownsouth |
| Is there anyone out there on 09:30 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
Labour literally put forward a motion on second jobs yesterday, which represented what they would propose on that issue if they were in power. The government voted against it.
It is also the role of opposition parties to hold the government to account, that is not "slagging them off", that is them doing their job. And at the last election, Labour put forward a comprehensive manifesto versus the Tories' three word slogan. Look at what happened then. I think the narrative you are pushing here doesn't have much basis and isn't very helpful, it's what the Tories and their compliant media want everyone to think as it helps keep them in power. |
The opposition has a very difficult job, especially with Covid. On QT a few weeks ago, an audience member said Labour should apologise as much as the Tories for how the virus has been handled for not opposing enough, but I bet 18 months ago the same person would have been accusing Starmer/Corbyn of "political points scoring" |  |
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| Is there anyone out there on 12:13 - Nov 18 with 1138 views | tractordownsouth |
| Is there anyone out there on 11:24 - Nov 18 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Absolutely. Gove is the most dangerous because he is a rabid ideologue who finds ways to enact vast change in relatively short time frames in which ever department he is given.
He is personally responsible for a whole generation of autistic children not receiving Educational Psychologist assessments, and therefore no statement, for example.
He spent his time in Education on a mission to destroy Local Authority Education departments for ideological reasons, and succeeded. He didn't care about the collateral damage. |
Yep, that's the thing. At least with some of the Tories, they have horrendous ideas but are too incompetent to enact them, but Gove is scarily effective at putting his plans into force. | |
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| Is there anyone out there on 12:45 - Nov 18 with 1116 views | BlueBadger |
| Is there anyone out there on 09:24 - Nov 18 by Oldboy |
No, but we need strong opposition. Some have said that the alternative parties are no better. One reply to that was"lame". It is true though.
Ask Labour/Lib Dems what they would do differently and all they do is slang off the Conservatives.
We need strong opposition to hold those in power to account. Easy to criticise when you are not in power.
I think the Conservative party is never the right choice, but we need to hear from those in opposition what they would actually do themselves. Not in hindsight, but when in power. That way the people who have the power (us) can make a proper judgement on who to vote for.
Politicians tell us what they think we want to hear, but I want to hear what Labour/Lib Dems would actually do if in power.
Stop slagging them off and with hindsight, just what they would do if elected. |
That's quite an elaborate way of saying 'yes, but Labour'. |  |
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| Is there anyone out there on 15:57 - Nov 18 with 1051 views | CBMTOBWMMBG |
No, I think he is poor. He blatantly makes things up, appoints on basis of patronage rather than ability and it is not clear what he believes in.
But I dislike reading the posts that decide then to insult politicians e.g.
horrific human beings
shambles of a human
useful idiots
miserable crew
delusional fools
Why do you describe people who are doing a job like this? They are trying their hardest, they put themselves out there, they are having a go. You don't agree with their views or their style or their morals - fair enough. Say why not, with details, don't just throw insults. Would you say those words to their face?
I'll give you one thing that was a strong piece of leadership in the last 2 years, by the Chancellor: the Furlough Scheme. Without it a lot of people would have been destitute. And yes, we could all pick holes in it, it was not perfect, but in a time of crisis I believe it was very good. Possibly the best policy from a Chancellor since some of Gordon Brown's ideas in his prime (e.g. minimal wage). | | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 16:00 - Nov 18 with 1041 views | Herbivore |
| Is there anyone out there on 15:57 - Nov 18 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
No, I think he is poor. He blatantly makes things up, appoints on basis of patronage rather than ability and it is not clear what he believes in.
But I dislike reading the posts that decide then to insult politicians e.g.
horrific human beings
shambles of a human
useful idiots
miserable crew
delusional fools
Why do you describe people who are doing a job like this? They are trying their hardest, they put themselves out there, they are having a go. You don't agree with their views or their style or their morals - fair enough. Say why not, with details, don't just throw insults. Would you say those words to their face?
I'll give you one thing that was a strong piece of leadership in the last 2 years, by the Chancellor: the Furlough Scheme. Without it a lot of people would have been destitute. And yes, we could all pick holes in it, it was not perfect, but in a time of crisis I believe it was very good. Possibly the best policy from a Chancellor since some of Gordon Brown's ideas in his prime (e.g. minimal wage). |
Yes, I would say those things to their faces. | |
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| Is there anyone out there on 17:26 - Nov 18 with 994 views | hype313 |
| Is there anyone out there on 15:57 - Nov 18 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
No, I think he is poor. He blatantly makes things up, appoints on basis of patronage rather than ability and it is not clear what he believes in.
But I dislike reading the posts that decide then to insult politicians e.g.
horrific human beings
shambles of a human
useful idiots
miserable crew
delusional fools
Why do you describe people who are doing a job like this? They are trying their hardest, they put themselves out there, they are having a go. You don't agree with their views or their style or their morals - fair enough. Say why not, with details, don't just throw insults. Would you say those words to their face?
I'll give you one thing that was a strong piece of leadership in the last 2 years, by the Chancellor: the Furlough Scheme. Without it a lot of people would have been destitute. And yes, we could all pick holes in it, it was not perfect, but in a time of crisis I believe it was very good. Possibly the best policy from a Chancellor since some of Gordon Brown's ideas in his prime (e.g. minimal wage). |
Not for me, the blokes an odious p***k.
He is all about Boris, from sitting on the fence over Brexit to see which way would be the better route politically, to standing by Cummins, Hancock and Paterson. To turn a blind eye to Patel's bullying, consistently lying, having affairs behind his cancer ridden wife, not acknowledging a child he fathered, dodgy holidays, dodgy flat refits the list is endless.
I'm sure he's trying his hardest, by that I mean trying his hardest to stay in power for as long as possible so he can join the lucrative memoirs circuit when he finally gets kicked into row z. That's the only reason he is interested in power, he seen Blair's post political career and fancies the riches that it brings.
Everything else is a smokescreen. | |
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| Is there anyone out there on 21:30 - Nov 18 with 912 views | Vic |
Never have, never will. |  |
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| Is there anyone out there on 21:56 - Nov 18 with 893 views | BlueNomad |
| Is there anyone out there on 15:57 - Nov 18 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
No, I think he is poor. He blatantly makes things up, appoints on basis of patronage rather than ability and it is not clear what he believes in.
But I dislike reading the posts that decide then to insult politicians e.g.
horrific human beings
shambles of a human
useful idiots
miserable crew
delusional fools
Why do you describe people who are doing a job like this? They are trying their hardest, they put themselves out there, they are having a go. You don't agree with their views or their style or their morals - fair enough. Say why not, with details, don't just throw insults. Would you say those words to their face?
I'll give you one thing that was a strong piece of leadership in the last 2 years, by the Chancellor: the Furlough Scheme. Without it a lot of people would have been destitute. And yes, we could all pick holes in it, it was not perfect, but in a time of crisis I believe it was very good. Possibly the best policy from a Chancellor since some of Gordon Brown's ideas in his prime (e.g. minimal wage). |
“Trying their hardest”….,,,,,, For whom exactly?
Oh, and this lot has proved itself to be a miserable crew [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 22:05]
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| Is there anyone out there on 22:40 - Nov 18 with 860 views | peterleeblue |
| Is there anyone out there on 15:57 - Nov 18 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
No, I think he is poor. He blatantly makes things up, appoints on basis of patronage rather than ability and it is not clear what he believes in.
But I dislike reading the posts that decide then to insult politicians e.g.
horrific human beings
shambles of a human
useful idiots
miserable crew
delusional fools
Why do you describe people who are doing a job like this? They are trying their hardest, they put themselves out there, they are having a go. You don't agree with their views or their style or their morals - fair enough. Say why not, with details, don't just throw insults. Would you say those words to their face?
I'll give you one thing that was a strong piece of leadership in the last 2 years, by the Chancellor: the Furlough Scheme. Without it a lot of people would have been destitute. And yes, we could all pick holes in it, it was not perfect, but in a time of crisis I believe it was very good. Possibly the best policy from a Chancellor since some of Gordon Brown's ideas in his prime (e.g. minimal wage). |
The Furlough Scheme was basically paying us to stay at home. It was necessary. |  | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 23:34 - Nov 18 with 830 views | mylittletown |
| Is there anyone out there on 07:23 - Nov 18 by unbelievablue |
Merkel has been a success in Germany, all things considered. |
Merkel on a two year deal, with an option on a third, would be a great result for the UK. |  | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 23:40 - Nov 18 with 830 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Is there anyone out there on 15:57 - Nov 18 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
No, I think he is poor. He blatantly makes things up, appoints on basis of patronage rather than ability and it is not clear what he believes in.
But I dislike reading the posts that decide then to insult politicians e.g.
horrific human beings
shambles of a human
useful idiots
miserable crew
delusional fools
Why do you describe people who are doing a job like this? They are trying their hardest, they put themselves out there, they are having a go. You don't agree with their views or their style or their morals - fair enough. Say why not, with details, don't just throw insults. Would you say those words to their face?
I'll give you one thing that was a strong piece of leadership in the last 2 years, by the Chancellor: the Furlough Scheme. Without it a lot of people would have been destitute. And yes, we could all pick holes in it, it was not perfect, but in a time of crisis I believe it was very good. Possibly the best policy from a Chancellor since some of Gordon Brown's ideas in his prime (e.g. minimal wage). |
I thought that about the furlough scheme until I read that it was merely a watered-down version of what other countries had already enacted. It was still good, and right (credit is due), butt was neither visionary, unusual or generous. | | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 23:51 - Nov 18 with 805 views | eireblue |
| Is there anyone out there on 23:40 - Nov 18 by Freddies_Ears |
I thought that about the furlough scheme until I read that it was merely a watered-down version of what other countries had already enacted. It was still good, and right (credit is due), butt was neither visionary, unusual or generous. |
As an example Germany deploy their version of furlough during things like an economic crisis, it has been in place since last century.
Rishi didn’t have much of a choice, would have looked pretty poor if states in EU and US were doing some form of furlough, and the U.K. didn’t. | | | |
| Is there anyone out there on 06:56 - Nov 19 with 738 views | Deano69 |
| Is there anyone out there on 07:24 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
It's all any Tory sympathiser has left in their locker now. "Yeah but they're all rubbish". No attempt to actually defend the PM or government, just pretend it doesn't matter because all other politicians are just as bad. They aren't of course, that's a fallacy, but it's a belief that enables them to justify their vote to themselves in lieu of any good reason. |
That’s not what I said and you’re assuming I am a Tory. [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 6:58]
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| Is there anyone out there on 08:25 - Nov 19 with 693 views | noggin |
| Is there anyone out there on 06:56 - Nov 19 by Deano69 |
That’s not what I said and you’re assuming I am a Tory. [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 6:58]
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No, that's exactly what you implied. | |
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| Is there anyone out there on 08:45 - Nov 19 with 687 views | tractordownsouth |
| Is there anyone out there on 15:57 - Nov 18 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
No, I think he is poor. He blatantly makes things up, appoints on basis of patronage rather than ability and it is not clear what he believes in.
But I dislike reading the posts that decide then to insult politicians e.g.
horrific human beings
shambles of a human
useful idiots
miserable crew
delusional fools
Why do you describe people who are doing a job like this? They are trying their hardest, they put themselves out there, they are having a go. You don't agree with their views or their style or their morals - fair enough. Say why not, with details, don't just throw insults. Would you say those words to their face?
I'll give you one thing that was a strong piece of leadership in the last 2 years, by the Chancellor: the Furlough Scheme. Without it a lot of people would have been destitute. And yes, we could all pick holes in it, it was not perfect, but in a time of crisis I believe it was very good. Possibly the best policy from a Chancellor since some of Gordon Brown's ideas in his prime (e.g. minimal wage). |
I’m sick of people saying they’re “trying their hardest” and using it to excuse incompetence. That’s what you’d say to a 6 year old at a primary school sports day, not a Prime Minister. | |
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