| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. 14:37 - Nov 18 with 10144 views | ArnieM |
And damning endorsement of what most Town fans knew anyway.
Good when he first comes in but hasn’t a clue how to take it forwards .
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:58 - Nov 18 with 853 views | itfcjoe |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:51 - Nov 18 by wkj |
Im not one to jump on Skuse and Chambers, but I think they were starting to slip under the quality of Championship in Mick's penultimate season. We were a team without a good quality midfield core, and we needed more than that to drive forward.
I think Mick probably knew that to an extent as we almost saw Chambers go to Forrest on a free - but came in with a contract at the last minute. That window was confusing, I can only speculate we had a replacement lined up that fell through. |
No, Evans was stalling on a new deal that both MM and LC wanted signed - so when there was interest Mick didn't want to stand in his way so much so that LC was up in Nottingham and ready to sign.
The squad at that point was plenty good enough - in fact many of the most rabid of the Mick Outers (not those who just accepted it was time for change) were claiming he was holding us back and a new manager would push us on |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:59 - Nov 18 with 842 views | mylittletown |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 14:40 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
But Mick did take it forwards here? |
Keeping us the season he arrived was nothing short of a miracle. |  | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:00 - Nov 18 with 835 views | textbackup |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 14:40 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
But Mick did take it forwards here? |
forwards, stopped, then backwards. |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:02 - Nov 18 with 819 views | wkj |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:54 - Nov 18 by Radlett_blue |
Hmm,,the problem was that Mick was replaced by the total incompetent Hurst, who was allowed to dismantle a decent squad & replace the better players with average League 1 players. No wonder Lambert didn't do great either, but the destruction of Town was down to Hurst, not what Mick left. A half decent manager would have kept Town in the lower half of the Championship. |
I don't for a moment think Mick was responsible for destroying us, but given the way we ended the 17/18 season - I can't say I had much faith in him being able to improve us. We were on one hell of a goal drought with only 8 points out of 30 in the closing games of that season. |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:03 - Nov 18 with 823 views | Wickets |
Only Proper Blokes on this thread please ! |  | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:07 - Nov 18 with 810 views | Churchman |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:43 - Nov 18 by wkj |
Mick gave us a good peak, but also a trough. His time was up with us about 2 seasons before he left. Had Mick stayed one more season I doubt he would have kept us up. Chambers, Sears and Skuse were about L1 quality at that point, maybe we'd have kept Waghorn and The defender who I always forget the name of, but Evans wasn't about to give him money out of nowhere unless we sold.
Our squad was unbalanced and Mick was never going to be able to get us to the top half of the table without some TLC from the board room. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 15:43]
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I think your last paragraph is key. There was never a chance of support from Evans. The club was rotting from the inside out. I’m no fan of McCarthy, but I do think he might well have kept us up the following season. He was good at that, as shown when he first came here.
Regardless, his time was up. He had a good stint with us and he/TC always gave their best. it was a shame he didn’t go a year earlier, avoiding the toxicity at the end. |  | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:11 - Nov 18 with 794 views | wkj |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:58 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
No, Evans was stalling on a new deal that both MM and LC wanted signed - so when there was interest Mick didn't want to stand in his way so much so that LC was up in Nottingham and ready to sign.
The squad at that point was plenty good enough - in fact many of the most rabid of the Mick Outers (not those who just accepted it was time for change) were claiming he was holding us back and a new manager would push us on |
In hindsight, that might have been the point where Luke should have left town. If he was seeing the circus perform right in front of him for that contract then he missed a chance for stability. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:12 - Nov 18 with 794 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:07 - Nov 18 by Churchman |
I think your last paragraph is key. There was never a chance of support from Evans. The club was rotting from the inside out. I’m no fan of McCarthy, but I do think he might well have kept us up the following season. He was good at that, as shown when he first came here.
Regardless, his time was up. He had a good stint with us and he/TC always gave their best. it was a shame he didn’t go a year earlier, avoiding the toxicity at the end. |
Although if he'd gone a year earlier we'd probably have gone down a year earlier. The squad at the end of that season was worse than the one Hurst inherited. I do think though there'd be less banging on about how awful Mick is/was had he left a season earlier. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 16:13]
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:15 - Nov 18 with 774 views | wkj |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:12 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
Although if he'd gone a year earlier we'd probably have gone down a year earlier. The squad at the end of that season was worse than the one Hurst inherited. I do think though there'd be less banging on about how awful Mick is/was had he left a season earlier. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 16:13]
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I don't think Mick did a bad job of building squads, except right-backs. We had such a crap time with that position during his time with us. The best one I can think of was Stearman on loan. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:16 - Nov 18 with 781 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:51 - Nov 18 by Steve_M |
If MM left us in a trough, how would you define the three and a half years of unqualified success since?
I'm quite sure we would have stayed up comfortable under MM in 18-19, we were 12th the season before after all. |
It's a bit of a pointless comparison though isn't it. You could equally ask where would we be if we'd appointed Potter or Parker. Under Evans stewardship, probably not promoted but likely watching far more entertaining football than under Mick and still in the Championship.
Fundamentally Evans appointed two awful managers in quick succession, gave them carte blanche to take a sledgehammer to the club and we are where we are. As for most of his reign he made the wrong decisions. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 16:17]
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 16:31 - Nov 18 with 724 views | Mullet |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 14:45 - Nov 18 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Bit of both.
Did some good work, especially on a budget.
But instilled a bit of a poisonous 'us and them' legacy that is only just being weeded out.
I think Mick would now be best as a relegation fight specialist who joins a club for 6 months in Jan. |
His critics instilled that. It didn’t exist until the abuse and entitlement started after the playoffs. Then it spread and multiplied.
Hence the revision and justification of it all.
The fact people still blame over Marcus in the aftermath is telling enough. |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:40 - Nov 18 with 702 views | Stewart27 |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 14:49 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
Yes but some of our fans have to pretend that Mick was the worst thing ever to happen to the club so they can justify their unwavering support for the sh!t show that's followed. People need to move on, we're fast approaching 4 years since Mick left and yet the most rabid anti-Mick folk are still starting threads about him. It's very odd. |
It’s strange, as there are a lot of pro Mick posts too.
I just see it as a forgettable period in our history. We’ve had worse, but we’ve had a hell of a lot better.
Why Mick is used as some benchmark is beyond me. | | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:59 - Nov 18 with 665 views | homer_123 |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:40 - Nov 18 by Stewart27 |
It’s strange, as there are a lot of pro Mick posts too.
I just see it as a forgettable period in our history. We’ve had worse, but we’ve had a hell of a lot better.
Why Mick is used as some benchmark is beyond me. |
Because, as a manager in comparison to Magilton, Keane and Jewell (who had money to spend and failed) he got us close to promotion.
I look at Mick's time here very much like Joe Royle - if either had had a bit of money to spend, I think we would have seen promotion.
Yes, the football ended up being poor in the end under Mick but if you then look at what Hurst and Lambert followed up with - the cold, hard fact is Mick out performs every single manager under Evans and by some margin.
Kept us up, actually managed to put together a squad that wasn't far away from being promoted without a pot to pee in and left the squad in far, far better shape than he had any right to considering what Evans was (wasn't) doing financially.
All that said - we've moved on - so I think it is about time to focus on the future. |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:08 - Nov 18 with 645 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:40 - Nov 18 by Stewart27 |
It’s strange, as there are a lot of pro Mick posts too.
I just see it as a forgettable period in our history. We’ve had worse, but we’ve had a hell of a lot better.
Why Mick is used as some benchmark is beyond me. |
I stand by most threads being started by those who are critical of Mick, people then contribute to point out that he did a good job here. Which he did. I guess he's a benchmark for some as he's the only manager we've had in the last decade that has actually overachieved relative to budget and expectations. He's our best manager since Royle, arguably since Burley. Granted he's not faced much competetion in those stakes but I'd say that's probably why those who think he did a good job here might see him as a useful benchmark for judging success. Any manager that does a better job than Mick will have done well. If Cook does better than Mick here I'll be delighted and we'll be competing for promotion to the Prem, which would be lovely. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:12 - Nov 18 with 642 views | N2_Blue |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:59 - Nov 18 by homer_123 |
Because, as a manager in comparison to Magilton, Keane and Jewell (who had money to spend and failed) he got us close to promotion.
I look at Mick's time here very much like Joe Royle - if either had had a bit of money to spend, I think we would have seen promotion.
Yes, the football ended up being poor in the end under Mick but if you then look at what Hurst and Lambert followed up with - the cold, hard fact is Mick out performs every single manager under Evans and by some margin.
Kept us up, actually managed to put together a squad that wasn't far away from being promoted without a pot to pee in and left the squad in far, far better shape than he had any right to considering what Evans was (wasn't) doing financially.
All that said - we've moved on - so I think it is about time to focus on the future. |
Comparing Mick's time here to that of Joe Royle is a joke surely?
Mick i respect the job he did but boy was it dull. The only redeeming features were having McGoldrick, one of the most skilful players we seen on the PR turf when fit, and Daryl hitting form he could only have dreamt of a few years earlier.
Everything else was pretty dull. Someone said he nearly got us promoted. Not really we scraped the payoffs which was damn lucky and then lost to scum. It's not really close.
Joe Royle was some of the most entertaining football we have seen and i loved the team we were then. To lose to West Ham twice was galling, especially when we were so many points ahead of them in league. That is close to promotion, not scraping into them.
I'd always have had Joe back here, I'd never have Mcarthy back |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:15 - Nov 18 with 631 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:12 - Nov 18 by N2_Blue |
Comparing Mick's time here to that of Joe Royle is a joke surely?
Mick i respect the job he did but boy was it dull. The only redeeming features were having McGoldrick, one of the most skilful players we seen on the PR turf when fit, and Daryl hitting form he could only have dreamt of a few years earlier.
Everything else was pretty dull. Someone said he nearly got us promoted. Not really we scraped the payoffs which was damn lucky and then lost to scum. It's not really close.
Joe Royle was some of the most entertaining football we have seen and i loved the team we were then. To lose to West Ham twice was galling, especially when we were so many points ahead of them in league. That is close to promotion, not scraping into them.
I'd always have had Joe back here, I'd never have Mcarthy back |
I think it's pretty clear he's not comparing the style of football under the two managers. | |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 17:16 - Nov 18 with 632 views | textbackup |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 16:31 - Nov 18 by Mullet |
His critics instilled that. It didn’t exist until the abuse and entitlement started after the playoffs. Then it spread and multiplied.
Hence the revision and justification of it all.
The fact people still blame over Marcus in the aftermath is telling enough. |
entitlement - hahahahahaha ffs. by this you mean fans simply wanting to see us try a little more than hope the murphy trick was going to work every week? | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:19 - Nov 18 with 623 views | Stewart27 |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 16:59 - Nov 18 by homer_123 |
Because, as a manager in comparison to Magilton, Keane and Jewell (who had money to spend and failed) he got us close to promotion.
I look at Mick's time here very much like Joe Royle - if either had had a bit of money to spend, I think we would have seen promotion.
Yes, the football ended up being poor in the end under Mick but if you then look at what Hurst and Lambert followed up with - the cold, hard fact is Mick out performs every single manager under Evans and by some margin.
Kept us up, actually managed to put together a squad that wasn't far away from being promoted without a pot to pee in and left the squad in far, far better shape than he had any right to considering what Evans was (wasn't) doing financially.
All that said - we've moved on - so I think it is about time to focus on the future. |
I agree.
But saying he’s the best manager under Evans isn’t something that we should really shout about.
I’m not old enough for Sir Bob, but I’m old enough for Royle and Burley.
I just see Mick’s era as forgettable. Really started to fall out of love with town.
Like you say. Onwards and upwards. | | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:27 - Nov 18 with 617 views | Epiphone |
I assume the OP meant indictment not endorsement! |  | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:30 - Nov 18 with 619 views | Illinoisblue |
Imagine if Mick had been given just a fraction of the money thrown at Cook. I very much doubt we’d be in League 1. |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:33 - Nov 18 with 614 views | textbackup |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:30 - Nov 18 by Illinoisblue |
Imagine if Mick had been given just a fraction of the money thrown at Cook. I very much doubt we’d be in League 1. |
didnt MM turn down the chance to further strengthen in Jan when we sat 2nd, because he didnt want to risk upsetting the squad?
i'm sure Phil said that before | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:37 - Nov 18 with 592 views | Illinoisblue |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:33 - Nov 18 by textbackup |
didnt MM turn down the chance to further strengthen in Jan when we sat 2nd, because he didnt want to risk upsetting the squad?
i'm sure Phil said that before |
If true, he’s a fool. (Mick, not Phil!) | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:38 - Nov 18 with 588 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:33 - Nov 18 by textbackup |
didnt MM turn down the chance to further strengthen in Jan when we sat 2nd, because he didnt want to risk upsetting the squad?
i'm sure Phil said that before |
The situation was a bit more nuanced than that. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:42 - Nov 18 with 582 views | textbackup |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:38 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
The situation was a bit more nuanced than that. |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:47 - Nov 18 with 574 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:42 - Nov 18 by textbackup |
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From memory there wasn't such a war chest available that he could go out and sign someone of proven quality that would clearly improve the team. That being the case he was reluctant to spend on someone who might come in and disrupt harmony in the squad, which was one of the main contributing factors to us being competitive that season, without any real guarantee they'd improve us. I think anyone who thinks ME was prepared to chuck him a blank cheque or even several million in that window is being naive. He might have released a bit more than he normally would have done but that doesn't go very far in the January window. As it was we signed Sears for £100k and he was very good during our run in, he was scoring not far off a goal every other game. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 17:49]
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