| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. 14:37 - Nov 18 with 11349 views | ArnieM |
And damning endorsement of what most Town fans knew anyway.
Good when he first comes in but hasn’t a clue how to take it forwards .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59327793
Edit : BCWYWF [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 14:37]
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:13 - Nov 18 with 2534 views | Keaneish |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 19:47 - Nov 18 by textbackup |
I'm still waiting for Mullet to say sorry to me for blaming me for an ITFC fan trying to headbutt him at Villa away.
He blamed it on me, because the guy said my name. I wasnt even at the game.
I even offered him the guilty party as wasnt impressed at all that my name had been thrown around for absolutely no reason, yet he didnt want to know, obviously. |
You’ll be waiting a long time if his outdated unapologetic pro MM stance is anything to go by! |  |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:21 - Nov 18 with 2513 views | itfcjoe |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:08 - Nov 18 by Keaneish |
Mick reaffirms his commitment to wanting to be in the PL with Town 2-years later when linked with the Villa position.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mick-mccarthy-could-tempted-aston-7
Reality is, he failed, which is OK but he did fail so I think Mullet is way wide of the mark dishing it out calling fans “entitled” when it was constantly stated our aims and ambitions were bigger. |
Ambitions have to be matched by actions though, and whilst Mick got us close on a small budget all that did was reaffirm to Evans that it can be done on a shoestring |  |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:39 - Nov 18 with 2481 views | Keaneish |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:21 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
Ambitions have to be matched by actions though, and whilst Mick got us close on a small budget all that did was reaffirm to Evans that it can be done on a shoestring |
…it couldn’t be done though, we fell short and getting close isn’t in Mick’s DNA or Evans commercial interest so it’s bizarre it persisted so long. We’ll never know why Evans didn’t give more funds but Symonds / Milne did note that MM like to “take interest in the club commercially” so he was obviously happy to work within constraints - he constantly praised the relationship with ME too.
I said at that time there was an element of self-preservation and Mick’s a money man despite his unquestionable love of the game. This doesn’t look so silly now we know he was on big wages while out club was going to disrepair as well as his ridiculous ROI bonus and big pay outs for abjectness in his contracts since. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 20:44 - Nov 18 with 2479 views | PhilTWTD |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 17:33 - Nov 18 by textbackup |
didnt MM turn down the chance to further strengthen in Jan when we sat 2nd, because he didnt want to risk upsetting the squad?
i'm sure Phil said that before |
I can remember him talking about Rodney Marsh Syndrome, although it's worth pointing out that Sears was brought in and Noel Hunt was brought in on a permanent basis having come in on loan. |  | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 20:51 - Nov 18 with 2426 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:58 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
No, Evans was stalling on a new deal that both MM and LC wanted signed - so when there was interest Mick didn't want to stand in his way so much so that LC was up in Nottingham and ready to sign.
The squad at that point was plenty good enough - in fact many of the most rabid of the Mick Outers (not those who just accepted it was time for change) were claiming he was holding us back and a new manager would push us on |
'most rabid of the Mick Outers (not those who just accepted it was time for change) were claiming he was holding us back and a new manager would push us on'
Yes some people claimed/believed that new manager would push us on. Hurst and Lambert, the former's fatal recruitment and players' attitude was the reason of the disaster.
People got it wrong about Hurst as you did plenty of times in the last couple of years as you'd been claiming that the shower who was kicked out from the club last summer by Cook was one of the best squads in the league. Everyone spouts wrong views at times. |  | | |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:59 - Nov 18 with 2397 views | chrismakin |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:39 - Nov 18 by Keaneish |
…it couldn’t be done though, we fell short and getting close isn’t in Mick’s DNA or Evans commercial interest so it’s bizarre it persisted so long. We’ll never know why Evans didn’t give more funds but Symonds / Milne did note that MM like to “take interest in the club commercially” so he was obviously happy to work within constraints - he constantly praised the relationship with ME too.
I said at that time there was an element of self-preservation and Mick’s a money man despite his unquestionable love of the game. This doesn’t look so silly now we know he was on big wages while out club was going to disrepair as well as his ridiculous ROI bonus and big pay outs for abjectness in his contracts since. |
Mick loved having financial restraints it meant he had a fallback to when it failed.
He's done and said the same things at all his clubs. Even said the same at Cardiff.
Loves a challenge. Gets love from fans. Then it falls flat yet to some he's still a legend because he did the job with limited funds. |  |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 21:47 - Nov 18 with 2332 views | itfcjoe |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 20:39 - Nov 18 by Keaneish |
…it couldn’t be done though, we fell short and getting close isn’t in Mick’s DNA or Evans commercial interest so it’s bizarre it persisted so long. We’ll never know why Evans didn’t give more funds but Symonds / Milne did note that MM like to “take interest in the club commercially” so he was obviously happy to work within constraints - he constantly praised the relationship with ME too.
I said at that time there was an element of self-preservation and Mick’s a money man despite his unquestionable love of the game. This doesn’t look so silly now we know he was on big wages while out club was going to disrepair as well as his ridiculous ROI bonus and big pay outs for abjectness in his contracts since. |
I think Mick was happy to work here, knowing he was up against it but was able to have a relatively free hand in that respect.
Possibly knew he'd be able to keep us competitive, whilst if stars aligned one year a chance of promotion.
Almost like a Pulis at Stoke, we wouldn't be in danger of going down, but the miracle season got less and less likely as budgets got cut and cut comparatively.
I did feel that a lot of fans didn't understand how much he was holding it together under Evans, think the Alan Lee interview really shone a light on that - that he was able to leave the squad in decent nick for the next man is testament to him, especially when you see how Evans allowed it to be ripped up after you could see what he was up against | |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 22:56 - Nov 18 with 2233 views | ITFCBlues |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 21:47 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
I think Mick was happy to work here, knowing he was up against it but was able to have a relatively free hand in that respect.
Possibly knew he'd be able to keep us competitive, whilst if stars aligned one year a chance of promotion.
Almost like a Pulis at Stoke, we wouldn't be in danger of going down, but the miracle season got less and less likely as budgets got cut and cut comparatively.
I did feel that a lot of fans didn't understand how much he was holding it together under Evans, think the Alan Lee interview really shone a light on that - that he was able to leave the squad in decent nick for the next man is testament to him, especially when you see how Evans allowed it to be ripped up after you could see what he was up against |
Leave the squad in decent nick? Don't think that was the case was it?
Numerous players out of contract and those still here ageing. Was far from good nick! |  |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 23:20 - Nov 18 with 2205 views | tractorboy1978 |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 22:56 - Nov 18 by ITFCBlues |
Leave the squad in decent nick? Don't think that was the case was it?
Numerous players out of contract and those still here ageing. Was far from good nick! |
It wasn't in terrible nick. Selling three of our best players in Webster, Waghorn and Garner didn't help. And losing McGoldrick who despite his injury troubles was still a top Championship player when he played. And we were left with two players that went to the World Cup on top of that.
The crux of the squad at the end of the season before was worse - that season Lawrence and Bart almost single handedly kept us away from a relegation battle. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 23:22]
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 23:27 - Nov 18 with 2185 views | mylittletown |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 23:20 - Nov 18 by tractorboy1978 |
It wasn't in terrible nick. Selling three of our best players in Webster, Waghorn and Garner didn't help. And losing McGoldrick who despite his injury troubles was still a top Championship player when he played. And we were left with two players that went to the World Cup on top of that.
The crux of the squad at the end of the season before was worse - that season Lawrence and Bart almost single handedly kept us away from a relegation battle. [Post edited 18 Nov 2021 23:22]
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Always a tricky one. Does the fact that Hurst was a dickhead almost beyond belief make MM look better?
IMHO MM did well, but had gone beyond his useful life at ITFC, without ever being in the same league of hopelessness/crapness as Keane, Jewell or Hurst |  | | |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 06:21 - Nov 19 with 2002 views | Keaneish |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 21:47 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
I think Mick was happy to work here, knowing he was up against it but was able to have a relatively free hand in that respect.
Possibly knew he'd be able to keep us competitive, whilst if stars aligned one year a chance of promotion.
Almost like a Pulis at Stoke, we wouldn't be in danger of going down, but the miracle season got less and less likely as budgets got cut and cut comparatively.
I did feel that a lot of fans didn't understand how much he was holding it together under Evans, think the Alan Lee interview really shone a light on that - that he was able to leave the squad in decent nick for the next man is testament to him, especially when you see how Evans allowed it to be ripped up after you could see what he was up against |
I think the big question is, where does he go from here? He’s made a lot of money, his reputation is in tact although becoming blighted but he’s dogged and will feel he still has a point to prove. His dream of managing back in the PL is now over although he’ll be back, despite being on a downward trajectory but the question is where?
Bottom 6 Championship side in Jan or a high-profile top 10 League One side would be a strong bet. I don’t see where else he can turn unless he’s not jaded by his Lyon and Apoel experiences and goes abroad. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 06:55 - Nov 19 with 1990 views | Deano69 |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:29 - Nov 18 by Garv |
The bottom line is, as fanciful as it sounds, football is in the entertainment business.
Mick McCarthy isn't. |
That’s the best summary I have seen
Rightly or wrongly, that’s where we’re at. An expectation of an hour and a half of entertainment, exciting football full of passing and goals, eating a £7 pie and £5 bottle of beer (not in view of the pitch of course) |  |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 07:28 - Nov 19 with 1971 views | OsborneOneNil |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 23:27 - Nov 18 by mylittletown |
Always a tricky one. Does the fact that Hurst was a dickhead almost beyond belief make MM look better?
IMHO MM did well, but had gone beyond his useful life at ITFC, without ever being in the same league of hopelessness/crapness as Keane, Jewell or Hurst |
Well summed up. |  | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 08:06 - Nov 19 with 1942 views | Manchesterblue |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 14:49 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
Yes but some of our fans have to pretend that Mick was the worst thing ever to happen to the club so they can justify their unwavering support for the sh!t show that's followed. People need to move on, we're fast approaching 4 years since Mick left and yet the most rabid anti-Mick folk are still starting threads about him. It's very odd. |
People need to move on.....
You'll be taking that avatar down soon then. |  |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 08:13 - Nov 19 with 1932 views | Churchman |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 23:27 - Nov 18 by mylittletown |
Always a tricky one. Does the fact that Hurst was a dickhead almost beyond belief make MM look better?
IMHO MM did well, but had gone beyond his useful life at ITFC, without ever being in the same league of hopelessness/crapness as Keane, Jewell or Hurst |
This is a good summary.
I would add that when McCarthy went, a sense of gloom went with him. Ok, we got hammered by Villa, but then battered Reading before a spirited draw with Middlesbrough to finish the season. It felt like a new start with the basics of a team.
I don’t remember anyone criticising Hurst’s appointment at the time. He along with the Sunderland bloke were considered the best young managers around. I watched Shrewsbury in the play offs and thought ‘they look lively’. I listened to his words when he was appointed and thought how bright and refreshing he sounded. Future: looking good! Ooops.
All that was missing was the red nose, oversize shoes, collapsing car and a buttonhole that fired water. Not a clue. A chancer so far out of his depth he needed a periscope.
I think MM does look better by comparison with the planks that preceded / succeeded him, but he was good at what he did, even if the likes of me didn’t like the way he did it. When it came down to it, nobody including Klopp or Guardiola could have done anything much here given the way Evans ran the club. |  | | |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 08:37 - Nov 19 with 1898 views | tractorboy1978 |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 23:27 - Nov 18 by mylittletown |
Always a tricky one. Does the fact that Hurst was a dickhead almost beyond belief make MM look better?
IMHO MM did well, but had gone beyond his useful life at ITFC, without ever being in the same league of hopelessness/crapness as Keane, Jewell or Hurst |
Mick did a decent job in his own right regardless of who followed him but I don't buy the 'we were doomed to fail without him' narrative that some people seem to have. As I posted earlier, had we appointed Potter, Parker or a number of others things would likely have been different. Hurst and then Lambert were car crash appointments. But all of this has led to Evans selling up and us looking in the best place long term that we have in two decades. | | | |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:12 - Nov 19 with 1811 views | Garv |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 15:44 - Nov 18 by cbower |
He started at Town and we were well adrift at the bottom of the Championship table going into November. He finished here (and I include the few games after he left under Klug in this) in 12th place iirc. Above both Norwich and Leeds who in the two subsequent seasons were promoted to the Premier League! I would hardly call that in "roughly a similar state". When he left we had Bart, Chambers, Waghorn, Garner, Skuse, McGoldrick, Knudsen, Webster et al at the club with the likes of Downes, Bishop and Dozzell coming through - the nucleus of a decent Championship club - hardly the bunch of jouneyman that he inherited from Jewell and certainly not "a lesser quality squad!" At least be fair in your assessment of the man. |
Murphy, Chambers, Cresswell, Edwards, Scotland, Chopra, Smith.
It was a strong enough squad. |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:18 - Nov 19 with 1802 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:12 - Nov 19 by Garv |
Murphy, Chambers, Cresswell, Edwards, Scotland, Chopra, Smith.
It was a strong enough squad. |
It was a mess. We were bottom and absolutely hopeless. What Mick left was very different, prior to Hurst taking a sledgehammer to it. |  |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:52 - Nov 19 with 1757 views | Garv |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:18 - Nov 19 by Herbivore |
It was a mess. We were bottom and absolutely hopeless. What Mick left was very different, prior to Hurst taking a sledgehammer to it. |
Different situation of course, and only a numpty would suggest we were in the same state in 2012 to 2018, but I wouldn't agree with the narrative that the 2012 squad was terrible and the 2018 one was a whole lot better. They had just been managed very differently.
You'd have been disappointed if Mick hadn't got results with the players he inherited. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:54 - Nov 19 with 1752 views | Herbivore |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:52 - Nov 19 by Garv |
Different situation of course, and only a numpty would suggest we were in the same state in 2012 to 2018, but I wouldn't agree with the narrative that the 2012 squad was terrible and the 2018 one was a whole lot better. They had just been managed very differently.
You'd have been disappointed if Mick hadn't got results with the players he inherited. |
I can recall at the time that a lot of fans were very worried about relegation in 2012. The narrative at the time certainly wasn't that we had a decent squad, far from it. | |
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| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 12:00 - Nov 19 with 1751 views | Garv |
| Cardiff players views of McCarthy…. on 11:54 - Nov 19 by Herbivore |
I can recall at the time that a lot of fans were very worried about relegation in 2012. The narrative at the time certainly wasn't that we had a decent squad, far from it. |
Yeah, and when you're bottom of the table by such a long way that's pretty natural I'd say.
Jewell clearly lost his way but it doesn't change the fact there was a lot of solid championship players in that squad. Obviously it needed adding to which Mick did really well with loans and in the January, but it was a solid base that had been mis-managed, for me anyway. [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 12:13]
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 12:17 - Nov 19 with 1734 views | itfcjoe |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 06:21 - Nov 19 by Keaneish |
I think the big question is, where does he go from here? He’s made a lot of money, his reputation is in tact although becoming blighted but he’s dogged and will feel he still has a point to prove. His dream of managing back in the PL is now over although he’ll be back, despite being on a downward trajectory but the question is where?
Bottom 6 Championship side in Jan or a high-profile top 10 League One side would be a strong bet. I don’t see where else he can turn unless he’s not jaded by his Lyon and Apoel experiences and goes abroad. |
I think he has to realise what he is and what he can be - and the reality is that is going into decent sized Championship clubs who have a little danger of relegation and need a safe pair of hands to ensure they don't go down whilst they formulate the type of manager they want and can get sorted for the summer.
A safe pair of hands to ensure train doesn't go off the tracks whilst the new driver gets up to speed!
I think he, like managers of a similar ilk, don't want to be seen as just that - but if they were to accept it they would probably be wealthier and healthier! The drop off in manager wages between the middle of the CHampionship and middle of League 1 is so stark, and if he wants to get his teeth into a job it will be at a level that just wouldn't be worthwhile for him | |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 12:49 - Nov 19 with 1684 views | Keaneish |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 12:17 - Nov 19 by itfcjoe |
I think he has to realise what he is and what he can be - and the reality is that is going into decent sized Championship clubs who have a little danger of relegation and need a safe pair of hands to ensure they don't go down whilst they formulate the type of manager they want and can get sorted for the summer.
A safe pair of hands to ensure train doesn't go off the tracks whilst the new driver gets up to speed!
I think he, like managers of a similar ilk, don't want to be seen as just that - but if they were to accept it they would probably be wealthier and healthier! The drop off in manager wages between the middle of the CHampionship and middle of League 1 is so stark, and if he wants to get his teeth into a job it will be at a level that just wouldn't be worthwhile for him |
I think that short-term solution thinking imploded on Cardiff though. That was their plan but Mick did such a great job going 11 unbeaten it completely altered the landscape and changed their strategy, which saw him offered the job longer term. Fast forward 6-months later and they’re in a worse position now than they ever were under Harris.
I’d say even this shape of opportunity for him might be a closed avenue now especially in light of Ng’s comments which reminded me of concerns Tommy Oar raised back in 2013 or whenever it was. | |
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| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 13:43 - Nov 19 with 1622 views | itfcjoe |
| A Cardiff playersq views of McCarthy…. on 12:49 - Nov 19 by Keaneish |
I think that short-term solution thinking imploded on Cardiff though. That was their plan but Mick did such a great job going 11 unbeaten it completely altered the landscape and changed their strategy, which saw him offered the job longer term. Fast forward 6-months later and they’re in a worse position now than they ever were under Harris.
I’d say even this shape of opportunity for him might be a closed avenue now especially in light of Ng’s comments which reminded me of concerns Tommy Oar raised back in 2013 or whenever it was. |
I don't think owners will really care what Perry Ng thought when he went in and did a fantastic job last year and stopped the carnage that a relegation would have brought. Any owner scared of relegation will see what he can achieve without a budget.
I agree re it going 'too well' but that is when a clear thinking and focussed football board should come into their own and sort it out. It's similar to when Solskjaer got the job at United - badly run clubs will continue to be run badly whoever is in the dugout - if a properly run club had needed Mick in then once he achieved his task they would have said thank you and goodbye. | |
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