| Is this season a write-off already? 18:56 - Nov 20 with 5930 views | KernowBluey |
After today's daylight robbery of a loss, I feel as if this season is just going be a repeat of last seasons. Lots of hope before Xmas before it all starts to unravel itself to a sub par finish.
I want to believe we're going to into the top 6 this season, but we stutter and stumble again against opposition which we should of blown out of the water with the amount of chances we had.
It really is painful being a Town fan. We want our team to succeed but at the moment nothing is happening to suggest a top 6 finish, although I'd love to proved wrong come May.
I really am hoping that we do turn this season back around, we're already 7 points off the top 6.
All I've known as a young Town fan (21), is empty promises, relegation and unbearable pain. All I want is at least one successful campaign, is that too much to ask for?
My faith is fast running out, but keep the faith, I guess. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 18:59]
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:00 - Nov 20 with 1356 views | pointofblue |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 22:57 - Nov 20 by chrismakin |
I would, tilt was influential. Keane despite not being very good for us has been superb for them. Whatmough is their signing of the season so far.. and ex leam player. Power again played under leam..and team mates.
Going through other league games more last seasons players pop up too.
They've done a grand job. And done well and done it the best way.
We literally closed itfc and rebuilt it in 1 summer. With 0 good feeling within the squad following last season and a bunch of strangers meeting up. |
Walton, Morsy and Evans are all ex-Cook players. And we could get into a debate about who could take some blame for a lack of good feeling in the squad after 20/21. |  |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:05 - Nov 20 with 1337 views | istanblue |
Wouldn't deem this season a write-off quite yet, but it's getting closer. I too have seen very little to suggest this is going to be a promotion season (or at least a play-off finish). Cook has flattered to deceive whilst being here and the stats don't lie - 12 wins in 40 games (30% win percentage). That's a worse record than the likes of Keane, Jewell and Lambert (who all managed us at a higher level). My only hope rests with the fact that we do genuinely have one of, if not the best, squads. Maybe we can produce a late surge that sees us finish strongly? But that's more out of hope than expectation at this point. |  | | |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:08 - Nov 20 with 1329 views | chrismakin |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:00 - Nov 20 by pointofblue |
Walton, Morsy and Evans are all ex-Cook players. And we could get into a debate about who could take some blame for a lack of good feeling in the squad after 20/21. |
Some of the players those lads played with tho are on a different level to ours. Toney. Powell. Pearce. Tilt. Watmough Etc ( depending what season you look at) complimented them alot more than ours ( of course my opinion only) and the blame of course doesn't matter.. it's more a point about why Wigan isn't a club to compare to imo. What Wigan are doing is similar to a promoted club on a high and its a powerful effect for some clubs.
That's not saying we don't have quality in our squad we do. But I don't think there's 19 quality players. Neither do I think there is a solid starting 11 out of it that I'd say would comfortably win a game. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 23:18]
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:20 - Nov 20 with 1317 views | jayessess |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 22:35 - Nov 20 by mattrolow |
Look at how close we were to the play-offs last season despite being awful.
There’s obviously been frustrations this season but other than Celina and Bonne everyone is tied down and I can only be incredibly excited about what next year can bring.
Imagine if we hadn’t had those first ten games, we would be up there.
Definitely more reason to be excited and positive going forward. |
Barring some fairly specific circumstances, preparing for Summer 2022 in League One would be utterly miserable. Most of the positivity from getting rid of Lambert and Evans, from getting new players in, from the new era, will be gone.
Unless we finish the season like an absolute train, the idea that there would be huge excitement about Cook having his 2nd do-over is delusional. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 23:25]
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:26 - Nov 20 with 1310 views | reusersfreekicks |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:47 - Nov 20 with 1292 views | MrTown |
Yep, don’t know what you get from week to week at the moment.
Won’t be up the top end like that. |  |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 00:23 - Nov 21 with 1262 views | FrankMarshall |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 23:20 - Nov 20 by jayessess |
Barring some fairly specific circumstances, preparing for Summer 2022 in League One would be utterly miserable. Most of the positivity from getting rid of Lambert and Evans, from getting new players in, from the new era, will be gone.
Unless we finish the season like an absolute train, the idea that there would be huge excitement about Cook having his 2nd do-over is delusional. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 23:25]
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Think we would be looking at some players moving on also. Some joined with the full intention of playing Championship football in August 2022. |  |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 03:03 - Nov 21 with 1236 views | Minneapolis_ITFC |
As an aside, we're going to be part of the (proper) F.A. Cup package in January and in the traditional Third Round. Guess that's something. (Home game with Barrow, whoever the hell they are, but really, how can you not win that)
There's the EDFL trophy thing also we're involved in still, so basically a cup focus on two fronts.
Which brings you to the league.
To compact an answer, promotion is very much doable here, it just depends on how much Cook and the players want it and to put away missed chances that occurs too often. As highest scorers in the league you feel we're in with half a chance.
I feel sympathy for the author of this subject, as at early 20's age all you've known or lived through is a cluster of sh1t managers here and near year after year of accomplishing next to nothing. Hell you won't even recall Joe Royle or Burley as team coach with us, two names that at least provided one or two exciting years and arguably making ITFC a pleasure to watch. Being brought up on Jewell, McCarthy and Lambert (to name a few) must be tough. |  | | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 08:58 - Nov 21 with 1192 views | tractordownsouth |
Automatics have been a write off since the Plymouth defeat and at this point I’m struggling to see how we’ll make up 7 points + 2 games in hand to catch Sunderland and make the play offs. Yesterday will probably start another of Lee Johnson’s 6 game winning streaks |  |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 09:04 - Nov 21 with 1191 views | TractorWood |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 19:42 - Nov 20 by Parky |
No. 28 games and 84 points still up for grabs. |
People were saying there are 120 points up for grabs when we were 9th. It's now 84 points and we are 10th. I have no strong feelings about Cook but based on his tenure so far, it appears keeping him consigns us to winning one in three from wildly inconsistent performances. |  |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 09:51 - Nov 21 with 1159 views | jayessess |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 09:04 - Nov 21 by TractorWood |
People were saying there are 120 points up for grabs when we were 9th. It's now 84 points and we are 10th. I have no strong feelings about Cook but based on his tenure so far, it appears keeping him consigns us to winning one in three from wildly inconsistent performances. |
When there were 120 points up for grabs we were 22nd. | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 10:07 - Nov 21 with 1145 views | HARRY10 |
It is not about 'going on a winning run', not 'finishing like a train'. It is about consistency.
Consistently grinding out results, week in eek out. Being able to score one goal when that is enough, or one goal that scrapes a draw. Having a defence that doesn't crumble meaning we have to score two or three goals to get a result. It is about the whole squad having a winning mentality.
At the moment I don't see that. We will have results as v Doncaster, but they are not what gets you promoted, nicking a goal against Oxford and holding out against Sunderland is what counts.
The season is far from being a write off. But it is increasingly looking less likely that it will end in promotion either. | | | |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 10:35 - Nov 21 with 1128 views | jayessess |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 10:07 - Nov 21 by HARRY10 |
It is not about 'going on a winning run', not 'finishing like a train'. It is about consistency.
Consistently grinding out results, week in eek out. Being able to score one goal when that is enough, or one goal that scrapes a draw. Having a defence that doesn't crumble meaning we have to score two or three goals to get a result. It is about the whole squad having a winning mentality.
At the moment I don't see that. We will have results as v Doncaster, but they are not what gets you promoted, nicking a goal against Oxford and holding out against Sunderland is what counts.
The season is far from being a write off. But it is increasingly looking less likely that it will end in promotion either. |
Not really? Division-winning consistency is about being good enough that fine margins don't come into it for 20+ games in that season. If every game is just a dog fight between 2 teams, decided by a mistake or one bit of quality then you'll lose as many as you win and end up mid table.
If we're aspiring to be the best team in this division (and we should be, it's a division of 21 teams with half our resources and 2 giants in disarray), then the standard to get to is dominance in most games not winning the odd tight game. That's where Rotherham are at. They've won 9 of their 17 games by 2 goals or more. They've dominated 14 of their 17 games on expected goals. That's what you need to be to win a division. [Post edited 21 Nov 2021 10:41]
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 16:57 - Nov 21 with 1100 views | HARRY10 |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 10:35 - Nov 21 by jayessess |
Not really? Division-winning consistency is about being good enough that fine margins don't come into it for 20+ games in that season. If every game is just a dog fight between 2 teams, decided by a mistake or one bit of quality then you'll lose as many as you win and end up mid table.
If we're aspiring to be the best team in this division (and we should be, it's a division of 21 teams with half our resources and 2 giants in disarray), then the standard to get to is dominance in most games not winning the odd tight game. That's where Rotherham are at. They've won 9 of their 17 games by 2 goals or more. They've dominated 14 of their 17 games on expected goals. That's what you need to be to win a division. [Post edited 21 Nov 2021 10:41]
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You've rather missed my point.
Of course you have to be dominant in most games. That goes without saying.
What you are overlooking is when we are dominant then we get something out of almost every game. That is not talking about every game either.
We dominated Sunderland but ended up losing. Too many games that has been the case. That is why we are tenth. | | | |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 17:23 - Nov 21 with 1087 views | TheBoyBlue |
No. It's seven points to the play-offs and we're still several games until Christmas, one of which is against Sunderland, who we were much better than yesterday, for all that we were abysmal in front of goal again.
Everyone seems to be beating everyone else, the teams at the top are not running away with it and are regularly dropping points and it'll be interesting to see how Plymouth get on now without the confidence and momentum of a long unbeaten run. | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 17:48 - Nov 21 with 1080 views | ghostofescobar |
I genuinely was never that hopeful of promotion this season. The wreck that Evans left the club in, I thought it may be too much to turn everything around in one season, two transfer windows. I think we may just miss out on the play offs, but I am really hopeful for next season. Of course, nothing would give me greater pleasure than me being completely wrong about this year. A big problem, however, is that fans will no doubt not want PC to stay if we don’t go up this year, so that means next season would again be a gamble. |  |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:18 - Nov 21 with 1064 views | jayessess |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 16:57 - Nov 21 by HARRY10 |
You've rather missed my point.
Of course you have to be dominant in most games. That goes without saying.
What you are overlooking is when we are dominant then we get something out of almost every game. That is not talking about every game either.
We dominated Sunderland but ended up losing. Too many games that has been the case. That is why we are tenth. |
I don't think we've been dominant in games anywhere near often enough to be anything more than a top 10 side.
Again to use Rotherham as an example, when they played Sunderland they amassed 21 shots at goal to Sunderland's 7. Doesn't really matter what happens to the fine margins if you do that every week. If you miss a great chance, no problem, another one will be along in a minute. If you concede to the first speculative attack the opposition have, fine, you'll still probably score 3 or more. We aren't that side and we wouldn't be even if we were kings of the fine margin. | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:45 - Nov 21 with 1054 views | Parky |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 10:07 - Nov 21 by HARRY10 |
It is not about 'going on a winning run', not 'finishing like a train'. It is about consistency.
Consistently grinding out results, week in eek out. Being able to score one goal when that is enough, or one goal that scrapes a draw. Having a defence that doesn't crumble meaning we have to score two or three goals to get a result. It is about the whole squad having a winning mentality.
At the moment I don't see that. We will have results as v Doncaster, but they are not what gets you promoted, nicking a goal against Oxford and holding out against Sunderland is what counts.
The season is far from being a write off. But it is increasingly looking less likely that it will end in promotion either. |
We’ve literally lost 3 out of our last 12 league games. I’m not saying you in particular, but the way some of our fans go on after a loss is absolutely embarrassing.
It’s also 3 losses in our last 16 competitive games. Yes, we face a few tricky games, but there are still 28 games to go and 84 points still up for grabs.
Again, not aimed specifically at you; but after all the shÃt we’ve endured over the last decade, why can’t some just get on-board and enjoy the ride? | | | |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:48 - Nov 21 with 1048 views | jayessess |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:45 - Nov 21 by Parky |
We’ve literally lost 3 out of our last 12 league games. I’m not saying you in particular, but the way some of our fans go on after a loss is absolutely embarrassing.
It’s also 3 losses in our last 16 competitive games. Yes, we face a few tricky games, but there are still 28 games to go and 84 points still up for grabs.
Again, not aimed specifically at you; but after all the shÃt we’ve endured over the last decade, why can’t some just get on-board and enjoy the ride? |
Why don't our current circumstances get included in "all the sh1t we've endured"? | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:49 - Nov 21 with 1044 views | chrismakin |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:45 - Nov 21 by Parky |
We’ve literally lost 3 out of our last 12 league games. I’m not saying you in particular, but the way some of our fans go on after a loss is absolutely embarrassing.
It’s also 3 losses in our last 16 competitive games. Yes, we face a few tricky games, but there are still 28 games to go and 84 points still up for grabs.
Again, not aimed specifically at you; but after all the shÃt we’ve endured over the last decade, why can’t some just get on-board and enjoy the ride? |
because the ride isn't as enjoyable as it should be despite giving the ride plenty of time to reach it's potential. | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:52 - Nov 21 with 1046 views | Parky |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:48 - Nov 21 by jayessess |
Why don't our current circumstances get included in "all the sh1t we've endured"? |
If you can’t be excited for the future of your club with new ambitious owners, who to-date have not put a single foot wrong, ontop of the most exciting squad we’ve had in absolute years, what’s the point? | | | |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:53 - Nov 21 with 1044 views | Parky |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:49 - Nov 21 by chrismakin |
because the ride isn't as enjoyable as it should be despite giving the ride plenty of time to reach it's potential. |
You change your mind more than I’ve had hot dinners, fella. | | | |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:56 - Nov 21 with 1036 views | chrismakin |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:53 - Nov 21 by Parky |
You change your mind more than I’ve had hot dinners, fella. |
Blame PC for that Parky, im not in charge of the team am I.
I gave PC plenty of blind follow early on, he's had enough time, now it's time to earn his money which he keeps failing at, yesturday his subs another example of getting it wrong when it matters. | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:57 - Nov 21 with 1032 views | chrismakin |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 18:52 - Nov 21 by Parky |
If you can’t be excited for the future of your club with new ambitious owners, who to-date have not put a single foot wrong, ontop of the most exciting squad we’ve had in absolute years, what’s the point? |
We'll see in a few weeks time how 'Ambitous' the new owners are.
Until then, yes im happy with the posters up at Portman Road. | |
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| Is this season a write-off already? on 22:32 - Nov 21 with 983 views | Garv |
| Is this season a write-off already? on 17:48 - Nov 21 by ghostofescobar |
I genuinely was never that hopeful of promotion this season. The wreck that Evans left the club in, I thought it may be too much to turn everything around in one season, two transfer windows. I think we may just miss out on the play offs, but I am really hopeful for next season. Of course, nothing would give me greater pleasure than me being completely wrong about this year. A big problem, however, is that fans will no doubt not want PC to stay if we don’t go up this year, so that means next season would again be a gamble. |
I hope he stays.
Plays football the right way, talks like a fan. He's got an infectious personality and even changes his voice during an interview purely for our own amusement. |  |
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