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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... 10:16 - Dec 2 with 3769 views

...Wigan, will that be the point at which we pull the trigger on him?

We'll probably be 10+ points off the play offs and in the bottom half of the league.

If we add in the inevitable poor performance against Barrow and I reckon that could be it.

Can he survive that scenario?

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:35 - Dec 2 with 644 views

Dubtractor

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:33 - Dec 2 by Funge
We beat Shrewsbury 2-1 at home, that was pretty glorious.

To be fair, we had some sustained spells of pressure against Oxford at home too. Absolute scenes.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:40 - Dec 2 with 644 views

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:14 - Dec 2 by Keaneish
Destroy the foundations of what we’re building to put a temporary solution in place but then destroy that again to start another plan… That must sound like a really good strategy to any one not involved in shaping strategy, I’m sure.

We're now going to be able to do any kind of long term build being mired in the third division.

We need out of this division. We stay down we're going to need to replace a fair few players who'll leave because they have the offer of football higher up the league or who've returned to the parent clubs.

Plus, we'll have to replace anyone who Cookies decides to blame for his failures and subsequently bomb out as well.

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	Mullet Gtsb Blue badger Bloots N2 Blue ITFC Joe …and the rest. Do you not understand that these forums have massive sway these days? You’ve killed it. We may go on to bigger better things, who knows? Your bitching and whining on here is picked up and has a massive ripple effect. Fking knobs the lot of you. For weeks you’ve been stamping your feet like little girls and it gets picked up when all you needed to do was ride it out for a bit. Pathetic. Cook always comes good, he always has done, talk to any Pompey, Wigan or Chesterfield fan. I’m in Pompey tonight and they’re all shaking their heads. Dkheads the lot of you. Happy to get banned on the back of this. You’re ridiculous. The ramifications are massive which may be placated with money but fk me; learn to kick a ball and know what you’re talking about before you lash out in anger. A massive shame and a massive shame on you. Cook is working hard. What are you doing other than idly pointing fingers and drawing on nonsense stats. Nothing but contempt for you lot and your baseless insights into football when you’ve never even kicked a ball.
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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:44 - Dec 2 with 625 views

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:40 - Dec 2 by BlueBadger

[Post edited 2 Dec 2021 18:43]

A lot of ifs and buts in that strategy. It’s a no from me.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 19:12 - Dec 2 with 613 views

Parky

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:24 - Dec 2 by Dubtractor
I love it when people imply that fans of mid table league one team ITFC are glory hunters.

I haven’t implied that in the slightest. Makin has literally in black and white stated he would start supporting again once it’s going well. If that isn’t the definition of glory hunting, I don’t know what is.

Oh Dear.. on 08:49 - Dec 3 with 534 views

unstableblue

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 17:52 - Dec 2 by BlueBadger
Every single 'messiah'(Keane, Hurst, Lamber and now Cook) we've had in the past 10 years has been woeful. We could do with another Honest Mick to steady things up o short term gig with a big payoff for doing so, take us up then make way for someone a bit more progressive [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 17:53]

.. you lambast me for using the word technical (read progressive (the term you use), read modern)

But really: "We could do with another Honest Mick to steady things up"... that is ridiculous, two years treading water and not improving the fundamentals of how we play as a team.. and then try and get the manager we've need since Jim Magilton?

Oh and are you confirming that Mick should never have been more than a stop gap?

Must do better

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 08:56 - Dec 3 with 513 views

Dubtractor

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 19:12 - Dec 2 by Parky
I haven’t implied that in the slightest. Makin has literally in black and white stated he would start supporting again once it’s going well. If that isn’t the definition of glory hunting, I don’t know what is.

I've given makin stick plenty of times on here, but he is talking about the manager not the club.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 09:48 - Dec 3 with 492 views

The_Flashing_Smile

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 18:06 - Dec 2 by chrismakin
I support the club. The club deserves better than losing to arsenal 21s. And struggling to beat the likes of crewe and Oldham etc. But fair play if it gives you enjoyment. Not anyone else to tell you how to feel

The Arsenal game we changed all 11 players in a meaningless cup. I don't know why people are still so butt-hurt over this.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 10:23 - Dec 3 with 455 views

pablo_canooga

Leam Richardson to deliver the knockout blow to Cook's tenure on the 11th?

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 10:54 - Dec 3 with 433 views

The_Flashing_Smile

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 10:23 - Dec 3 by pablo_canooga
Leam Richardson to deliver the knockout blow to Cook's tenure on the 11th?

That would be quite funny, in a dark humour sort of way.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 10:59 - Dec 3 with 425 views

chrismakin

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 09:48 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile
The Arsenal game we changed all 11 players in a meaningless cup. I don't know why people are still so butt-hurt over this.

Momentum Flash.

We had a torrid November really. The team came away with boos when beating crewe!.

What we needed and PC backed it up by saying we needed momentum going into this month and we started off with letting a 2 goal lead go again with a team that was full of players who all should be banging on the door to play at Charlton..

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:19 - Dec 3 with 358 views

The_Flashing_Smile

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 10:59 - Dec 3 by chrismakin
Momentum Flash. We had a torrid November really. The team came away with boos when beating crewe!. What we needed and PC backed it up by saying we needed momentum going into this month and we started off with letting a 2 goal lead go again with a team that was full of players who all should be banging on the door to play at Charlton..

I know what happened fella, and it's a bit disappointing. When people talk about being embarrassed I just don't get it. I'm sure the Arsenal youngsters are very good - I don't see how it's such a disaster to draw with them when we've changed our entire team. And if we do change our entire team, I don't quite understand how that translates to momentum. How does the first team gain momentum from it if they didn't play?

It feels like you're just throwing around a buzzword with no thought to what it actually means.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:28 - Dec 3 with 349 views

chrismakin

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:19 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile

If it was our u23s id agree.

But there were plenty of players involved Tuesday who could be involved in the next games so of course you want them full of confidence no? That's why momentum is key.

Penney
Edwards
Burgess
Caroll
Etc

All could be selected for sat or Tues. Depending on injuries. So of course you want them full of confidence.

Hladky.. he could be our no.1 if Walton pulls up.. etc

So no it's not just a buzz word it's important. Momentum also important when it comes to fans whether you personally agree with it or not, a loss is a loss.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:33 - Dec 3 with 343 views

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 10:30 - Dec 2 by chrismakin
Leams Wigan are gonna asbolutely batter us though Charlton i can see us drawing, maybe nicking a win but wigan, no chance. Wigan will show PC how a 4 2 3 1 actually works when done correctly.

Wigan have lost more home games than us.

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:38 - Dec 3 with 341 views

chrismakin

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:33 - Dec 3 by WD19
Wigan have lost more home games than us.

Which you'd normally take as a potential positive for us. But that game worries me more than any others.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:48 - Dec 3 with 327 views

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The bloke should be gone already, let alone after he manages to mess up a couple more fixtures for us too.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:16 - Dec 3 with 306 views

The_Flashing_Smile

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:28 - Dec 3 by chrismakin

Reality is there were 11 changes and very few of those, if any, will be starting league games anytime soon.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:26 - Dec 3 with 301 views

chrismakin

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:16 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile
Reality is there were 11 changes and very few of those, if any, will be starting league games anytime soon.

How do you know. Apart from Jackson everyone of them has started a first team league game have they not. And many of them have more than 1 apparence.

It included our first choice left back
Our only rb cover
Our dcm cover
Our gk cover
A LW who's been involved in a large majority of games
A striker who is back up to current striker.

We could see 5 of Tuesdays team in the first team easily on Tuesday if required.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:39 - Dec 3 with 292 views

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 13:48 - Dec 3 by timothyeo
The bloke should be gone already, let alone after he manages to mess up a couple more fixtures for us too.

Didn’t know you were Cook out, you should’ve said something.

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:48 - Dec 3 with 283 views

timothyeo

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:39 - Dec 3 by Parky
Didn’t know you were Cook out, you should’ve said something.

Didn't know you were such a regular supporter of failure, you should've said something.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:59 - Dec 3 with 271 views

The_Flashing_Smile

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:26 - Dec 3 by chrismakin

You're desperately trying to twist the facts, but let's be honest here. You even described most of them yourself as "cover". That very terms says they're reserves.

Penney - might start but has been very out of favour recently and certainly not first choice.
Edwards - Mostly a sub and likely to stay that way.
Burgess - Not been a starter for a long time. Out of the picture if you're honest.
Caroll - Even less involvement and less likely to start than Burgess.
Hladky - nowhere near starting other than an unlikely injury.

There is no way any of these playing v Arsenal was intended to build winning momentum.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 15:08 - Dec 3 with 262 views

chrismakin

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 14:59 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile

They aren't reserves there are members of the first team squad and players who would play for other league 1 sides

Our reserves are the u23s.

You don't know what injuries may happen or have already happened to say none of them will play.
Edwards. Started our last league game BTW

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 15:19 - Dec 3 with 248 views

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 15:08 - Dec 3 by chrismakin
They aren't reserves there are members of the first team squad and players who would play for other league 1 sides Our reserves are the u23s. You don't know what injuries may happen or have already happened to say none of them will play. Edwards. Started our last league game BTW

I said "mostly" a sub, which is correct.

No I don't know what injuries may happen, but neither do you. The fact that they haven't happened yet and you're talking about something that MIGHT happen in the future, bolsters my argument not yours.

They are reserves. You described them as "cover". That amounts to the same thing! Whether they'd play for other League 1 sides or not is irrelevant - an entirely changed first 11 does nothing for the first 11 in terms of momentum.

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chrismakin

On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 15:19 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile

It doesn't bolster your argument.

You want the players full of confidence if called upon. Having a grumpy striker like Pigott for example isn't going to help.. now we've less games to offer players not getting league games. So absolutely momentum and winning these games is key when things are not going well.

You can be pedantic about reserves/cover etc. But we didn't sign any of those players as 'reserves'

On Edwards. Hasn't he started 12 of the 15 games he's been available?

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 17:46 - Dec 3 with 195 views

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 15:25 - Dec 3 by chrismakin

I give up. "If called upon". Even if a win against Arsenal's U21s does boost a player's confidence, how does that provide MOMENTUM for the next league game for the entire team, even if he DOES play (which is far from a given)?

Momentum works if the entire team that plays (and beats) Arsenal plays in the following league games. If, say, Pigott scores against Arsenal and gets confidence from it, then in a month's time replaces the injured Bonne, where on earth is there any gain from momentum?

Also, there's nothing pedantic about whether you call them cover or reserves. It amounts to the same thing. They aren't starting. And saying "we didn't sign any of those players as 'reserves'" is irrelevant as well. All that matters in this debate is are they starting the next league game and thus taking confidence into it? Very few, if any, will be. So there's no momentum for the team.

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 17:56 - Dec 3 with 210 views

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On the assumption that we lose to Charlton and..... on 17:46 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile

Ask Paul Cook

“ We want to do well in all competitions. It’s something that we suggested to the players, if we could put three wins together this week it would give everyone a lift around Portman Road going into Christmas and post-Christmas. We’ve done one hurdle and we’ve got two big ones to go.”

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Town host Arsenal U21s in the second round of the Papa John’s Trophy on Wednesday evening with manager Paul Cook looking to record a morale-boosting three wins in a week.

I can’t wait for Monday, if we get knocked out of the cup we’ll be being told how it doesn’t matter even after we name a full team

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