| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... 10:56 - Dec 8 with 3341 views | itfcjoe |
....have him watch the Wigan game....
.....give him a week on training ground ahead of Sunderland game by sending the 23s up to Barrow |  |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:01 - Dec 8 with 822 views | clive_baker |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:57 - Dec 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
The transfer window. Ashton made that clear, they want a man in who can set his own targets before the window opens.
Seems to me that McGreal probably has Wigan and Barrow, potentially Sunderland, but given the egos involved, they will want 'their' man in place before they arrive for that game.
The alternative, is 4 or 5 nervous looking Americans as they listen to the boo's and to the chanting. |
Feels very disruptive to our season to compromise Charlton, Wigan and Sunderland. 3 defeats and our season is as goods as over. Last night was always going to be difficult, but we could do with having a replacement announced over the weekend IMO, ready to start Monday. |  |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:02 - Dec 8 with 809 views | NthQldITFC |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:00 - Dec 8 by nodge_blue |
I think we have to get the right man. if that means longer than the weekend then ok.
We could just knee jerk into the next wrong man.
I still think Cook was a good manager for this club. Somehow the players he's recruited weren't good enough for his system. Yes thats on him but he might with a couple of new signings got it right in the next window.
Now its all up in the air again. New manager by the weekend please. Instant fix. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 11:00]
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I think the players are technically good enough, they've played really well in small patches. It's just a question of getting the mentality right and confidence levels up and as you say, a couple of new signings, specifically another centre back of Edmundson quality or better, and probably a left back. |  |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:03 - Dec 8 with 800 views | jayessess |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:53 - Dec 8 by clive_baker |
It's hard to know what work Ashton has done on this front, but as you say it sounds like we're in the early stages. We should've been 70% of the way to recruiting a replacement IMO, especially with the games coming thick and fast.
Makes me wonder if something happened with Cook that meant there was such immediacy to pull the trigger after a draw in the FA Cup. The timing makes no sense to me. |
Not sure the timing makes much odds really. Sure we were dreadful last night, but lots of teams get a bump in performances during an interim managerial stint.
There was every reason to assume that under Cook we'd just continue our Rotherham-Crewe-Arsenal U21s-Barrow trajectory, no reason to assume anything about what would happen under an interim boss. |  |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:03 - Dec 8 with 798 views | homer_123 |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:48 - Dec 8 by itfcjoe |
I didn't say that was the case, just that it felt like it might be with how things were setting up - I didn't think that is necessarily the case even prior to the game last night, but certainly doesn't feel it now |
As I think I replied to you at the time. McGreal would be a shocking appointment for the permanent position.
Last night did nothing to change my mind on that. |  |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:06 - Dec 8 with 775 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:01 - Dec 8 by clive_baker |
Feels very disruptive to our season to compromise Charlton, Wigan and Sunderland. 3 defeats and our season is as goods as over. Last night was always going to be difficult, but we could do with having a replacement announced over the weekend IMO, ready to start Monday. |
It'll be interesting how it is played PR wise when a new manager is appointed, because to all intents and purposes, barring a minor miracle worker, this season is done and dusted if we lose against Wigan. You'd be looking at needing 15/16 wins from 24 games just to sneak into the play-offs. I do think there is a danger of a new man coming in and even if they do 'pretty well' they will start next season on the backfoot with a section of the fanbase if we don't make the play offs. |  | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:06 - Dec 8 with 774 views | SaigonTractor |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:52 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
Do we really believe Ashton doesn't already have shortlist and has probably sounded those out already
We haven't just sacked Cook and gone "what next?" |
Agreed. If nothing else Ashton is a meticulous planner. I just can't imagine any scenario where they're winging this. |  | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:07 - Dec 8 with 767 views | clive_baker |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:03 - Dec 8 by jayessess |
Not sure the timing makes much odds really. Sure we were dreadful last night, but lots of teams get a bump in performances during an interim managerial stint.
There was every reason to assume that under Cook we'd just continue our Rotherham-Crewe-Arsenal U21s-Barrow trajectory, no reason to assume anything about what would happen under an interim boss. |
I didn't think we were too bad against Crewe tbh. Thought we dominated, could've scored a couple more. OK they're not Charlton.
Not sure there's no reason to think anthing would change under an interim boss. A lot of our players know Cook very well, they signed for him, they bought into his project and then learned on Saturday he was sacked. There was always a very good chance those players wouldn't react favourably IMO. | |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:07 - Dec 8 with 767 views | portmanking |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:06 - Dec 8 by SaigonTractor |
Agreed. If nothing else Ashton is a meticulous planner. I just can't imagine any scenario where they're winging this. |
I think he likes the perception to be that he's a meticulous planner, that's for sure. | | | |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:09 - Dec 8 with 755 views | homer_123 |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:01 - Dec 8 by clive_baker |
Feels very disruptive to our season to compromise Charlton, Wigan and Sunderland. 3 defeats and our season is as goods as over. Last night was always going to be difficult, but we could do with having a replacement announced over the weekend IMO, ready to start Monday. |
Given the direction of travel under Cook - I don't think last night would have panned out any differently under his stewardship. | |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:10 - Dec 8 with 754 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:57 - Dec 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
The transfer window. Ashton made that clear, they want a man in who can set his own targets before the window opens.
Seems to me that McGreal probably has Wigan and Barrow, potentially Sunderland, but given the egos involved, they will want 'their' man in place before they arrive for that game.
The alternative, is 4 or 5 nervous looking Americans as they listen to the boo's and to the chanting. |
Given the imminent announcement today on Plan B restrictions, the "isolate until you have you PCR result" to enter the UK and the strengthened requirements to get back into the USA announced last week, I can't see the Americans risking getting stranded over here for Christmas.
I'd expect at least one if not all to decide it's not worth the risk. |  | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:13 - Dec 8 with 734 views | portmanking |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:10 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
Given the imminent announcement today on Plan B restrictions, the "isolate until you have you PCR result" to enter the UK and the strengthened requirements to get back into the USA announced last week, I can't see the Americans risking getting stranded over here for Christmas.
I'd expect at least one if not all to decide it's not worth the risk. |
They're staying here for Christmas. They're planning on being here for the Sunderland, Wycombe and Lincoln games. | | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:15 - Dec 8 with 729 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:13 - Dec 8 by portmanking |
They're staying here for Christmas. They're planning on being here for the Sunderland, Wycombe and Lincoln games. |
Fair enough, I'd missed that part of the story.
Christmas in Ipswich or LA... | | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:16 - Dec 8 with 728 views | clive_baker |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:09 - Dec 8 by homer_123 |
Given the direction of travel under Cook - I don't think last night would have panned out any differently under his stewardship. |
Possibly not, guess we won't know. My point was more that the longer we go without a replacement, the more damaging it likely is to a season that is less and less salvagable by the game. I would really hope to see someone appointed to start on Monday morning, to give them enough prep time ahead of Sunderland. That'll be 9 days from Cook's sacking and no doubt a few more from when the decision was made. Should be ample time, especially if Ashton is as organised as suggested. | |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:36 - Dec 8 with 660 views | Skip_Intro |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:46 - Dec 8 by itfcjoe |
When I heard him talk, and about filtering through applications etc it makes you worry.
Even if you don't have someone lined up, you should have a shortlist of at least a type of manager you want to head hunt (whether it is directly to an unemployed man, or through a club)
Obviously something may come in that interests you, but we should know exactly the profile of manager we want, and be aware of who can work under the conditions we have here and who can demonstrably prove that. |
Ashton is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Him and the board will undoubtedly have discussed potential names and will know what kind of manager/head coach they want but they are hardly likely to admit that in public are they. |  | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:38 - Dec 8 with 635 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:15 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
Fair enough, I'd missed that part of the story.
Christmas in Ipswich or LA... |
LA is very much like Stoke, but with Sun.
No contest. |  |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:55 - Dec 8 with 595 views | itfcjoe |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:36 - Dec 8 by Skip_Intro |
Ashton is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Him and the board will undoubtedly have discussed potential names and will know what kind of manager/head coach they want but they are hardly likely to admit that in public are they. |
Why does it matter if they do? It might put off unsuitable cnadidates and flush out those who would be a bit more | |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:59 - Dec 8 with 580 views | gordon |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:06 - Dec 8 by SaigonTractor |
Agreed. If nothing else Ashton is a meticulous planner. I just can't imagine any scenario where they're winging this. |
But it also could have been the case that the lead on this came from the owners rather than from Ashton. |  | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:04 - Dec 8 with 555 views | Skip_Intro |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 12:55 - Dec 8 by itfcjoe |
Why does it matter if they do? It might put off unsuitable cnadidates and flush out those who would be a bit more |
But why would you? When I'm recruiting I want access to as wide a pool of suitable candidates as possible to allow me to make the best possible appointment, I don't just assume that I know exactly what I want and restrict interest in the role.
If we say we want a 'head coach' and manager 'x', who is an outstanding candidate, doesn't see themselves as a 'head coach' would we really want to exclude them or should we interview them and then decide if/how we or they might compromise to get the best possible outcome for both parties?
Restricting your available options unnecessarily before you even start recruiting is poor business sense unless you have a solid reason to do so... | | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:12 - Dec 8 with 524 views | itfcjoe |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:04 - Dec 8 by Skip_Intro |
But why would you? When I'm recruiting I want access to as wide a pool of suitable candidates as possible to allow me to make the best possible appointment, I don't just assume that I know exactly what I want and restrict interest in the role.
If we say we want a 'head coach' and manager 'x', who is an outstanding candidate, doesn't see themselves as a 'head coach' would we really want to exclude them or should we interview them and then decide if/how we or they might compromise to get the best possible outcome for both parties?
Restricting your available options unnecessarily before you even start recruiting is poor business sense unless you have a solid reason to do so... |
It could also waste a lot of time in the recruitment process - we should be recruiting for a role and if people aren’t a fit for that why lead them, and us, up the garden path?
There is a really interesting pod with Liam Sweetonh about how they recruited Manning - they knew what they were looking for and went out and found suitable candidates. Seems sensible | |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:16 - Dec 8 with 503 views | Skip_Intro |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:12 - Dec 8 by itfcjoe |
It could also waste a lot of time in the recruitment process - we should be recruiting for a role and if people aren’t a fit for that why lead them, and us, up the garden path?
There is a really interesting pod with Liam Sweetonh about how they recruited Manning - they knew what they were looking for and went out and found suitable candidates. Seems sensible |
I don't think it wastes time - they will be inundated with unsuitable applications regardless and will have to filter through them.
We should be recruiting for the best possible outcome for the club - and part of that is keeping a relatively open mind and being open to new ideas. Restricting your recruitment pool before you even start naturally just doesn't make sense unless there are strong reasons for doing so and I can't see any of those reasons here. | | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:19 - Dec 8 with 472 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:04 - Dec 8 by Skip_Intro |
But why would you? When I'm recruiting I want access to as wide a pool of suitable candidates as possible to allow me to make the best possible appointment, I don't just assume that I know exactly what I want and restrict interest in the role.
If we say we want a 'head coach' and manager 'x', who is an outstanding candidate, doesn't see themselves as a 'head coach' would we really want to exclude them or should we interview them and then decide if/how we or they might compromise to get the best possible outcome for both parties?
Restricting your available options unnecessarily before you even start recruiting is poor business sense unless you have a solid reason to do so... |
Sounds like you've just appointed yourself a square peg to fit in your round hole! |  | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:23 - Dec 8 with 456 views | BonneNIL |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:34 - Dec 8 by itfcsuth |
Must remember as well, the real aggressive fans last night looked about 30 people on the first couple of rows. I'm sure all fans were upset, and rightfully voicing some anger, but the really aggressive group looked about 30 at the front.
That's just 1% of the whole of the away following we took.
It doesn't represent the wider fan base.
As I said last night, our fans have been far too good for far too long, and I have no doubts in the whole they will continue to be so. |
It's the blame the fan's narrative we keep seeing every season. |  |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:23 - Dec 8 with 454 views | Skip_Intro |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:19 - Dec 8 by King_ding_a_lin_g |
Sounds like you've just appointed yourself a square peg to fit in your round hole! |
haha! you're assuming that we know what shape the hole is...  | | | |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:26 - Dec 8 with 445 views | pennblue |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 11:46 - Dec 8 by itfcjoe |
When I heard him talk, and about filtering through applications etc it makes you worry.
Even if you don't have someone lined up, you should have a shortlist of at least a type of manager you want to head hunt (whether it is directly to an unemployed man, or through a club)
Obviously something may come in that interests you, but we should know exactly the profile of manager we want, and be aware of who can work under the conditions we have here and who can demonstrably prove that. |
It's almost like he's been put under enormous pressure, and made a snap decision. | |
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| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:31 - Dec 8 with 400 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Get a new man sorted by the weekend..... on 13:04 - Dec 8 by Skip_Intro |
But why would you? When I'm recruiting I want access to as wide a pool of suitable candidates as possible to allow me to make the best possible appointment, I don't just assume that I know exactly what I want and restrict interest in the role.
If we say we want a 'head coach' and manager 'x', who is an outstanding candidate, doesn't see themselves as a 'head coach' would we really want to exclude them or should we interview them and then decide if/how we or they might compromise to get the best possible outcome for both parties?
Restricting your available options unnecessarily before you even start recruiting is poor business sense unless you have a solid reason to do so... |
We really have to get this one bang on and compromising isn't something we should be doing. I'd like to think we have 2/3 people we've identified already and we are in the business of headhunting rather than waiting to see what comes to us and choosing from there. We should know our criteria and the person has to tick all of them. For example, if Manager X of a decent calibre wants to come in but wants control over transfers that just isn't going work here. Or if they aren't happy being dictated to by Andy Rolls on who is 'match fit' and who isn't.
It feels to me like we want a coach - the structure seems to very much be geared up for somebody coming in and working with the players they are given, improving them and setting them up astutely on matchdays. | | | |
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