| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:10 - Dec 10 with 1126 views | chicoazul |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 09:54 - Dec 10 by Guthrum |
To be fair, there were only a handful on here who were actually advocating it. With the majority pointing out what a silly idea it was. |
Well….yes. Nice to know you agree. |  |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:11 - Dec 10 with 1134 views | fredbarber |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 09:57 - Dec 10 by MattinLondon |
Hurst knew what was wrong with the club but was far far too clumsy. |
Also he was meet with players refusing to change who had been so comfortable under MM.
Will never know what would have happen if they would have been a bit more open to it, will might still be relegated regardless but as the years have past and certain reaction from the ex captain to cooks sacking backs up the idea. |  | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:34 - Dec 10 with 1067 views | DavoIPB |
Cannot believe what I am reading on here. Fans defending Mick McCarthy. Literally a manager who hated the fans. Played terrible boring football and sucked the soul out of Ipswich town. Then Hurst who sold championship quality players and brought in poor league 1 and league 2 players. Then couldn't get them to win a football match. |  | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:39 - Dec 10 with 1047 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
A bit fast and loose with the words "good article" there Joe.
This piece literally doesn't tell us anything new, and focuses on a very small minority of fans that felt relegation was a way to regroup and therefore a good thing.
I will never be convinced otherwise, but getting rid of Mick when we did was the correct decision. It was the decisions that followed, that got us relegated. | | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:48 - Dec 10 with 1029 views | OldFart71 |
I afraid there's a big difference between not liking the Manager and not liking the Man. Every fan of every club when their team hits the buffers blames the manager although we know as currently with Town, a lot is to do with the players. With MM it was more a dislike of the man. Yes he was to a great extent working with his hands tied behind his back because of Evans and some of MM's loan players were fantastic. It was just his boring attitude to accepting a point before a game was played. Worrying about the opposition rather than letting them worry about us. The straw that broke the camels back was obviously him calling fans part of a woman's anatomy . No doubt some were verbally abusing him, but still no excuse. Rise above it. Which he couldn't. | | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:52 - Dec 10 with 1015 views | BlueBlood90 |
Martin Samuel does like to stick the boot in when it comes to Ipswich for some reason.
League One has been a grave yard for a lot of big clubs but there's a lot of examples where it has worked. Leicester, Southampton, Norwich, Sheffield United etc.
We just need to appoint a good manager and get some momentum building and who knows what the future holds. |  |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:01 - Dec 10 with 1001 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 09:32 - Dec 10 by clive_baker |
Bit of an odd angle IMO, I think any fans who think relegation is a favourable outcome are in the minority. Prevention is generally better than cure.
I wouldn't imagine there are many Newcastle supporters sat there thinking relegation this season would be good for them. [Post edited 10 Dec 2021 9:34]
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Saw it said on this v forum many times that it would be worth it and we'd rebuild.
That said MM had to go and it's not his sacking that lead us here. Equally I'm not sure we'd be rid of Evans had we not been relegated but still |  |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:10 - Dec 10 with 983 views | Guthrum |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:10 - Dec 10 by chicoazul |
Well….yes. Nice to know you agree. |
There were some people who, once it became inevitable we were going down, tried to make the best of it, hoping for a bounce-back. But that's somewhat different to suggesting it might be a good idea beforehand (which is daft). |  |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:12 - Dec 10 with 980 views | Bluedandy |
Roll out the barrel let's write a barrel of shyte ...
Good old West Ham supporting Martin Samuel ... the tabloid blob who wanted Allardyce out because of his direct style of play even though Big Sam got the Hammers promotion to the Premier League ...
Oh but old chum McCarthy who lead Town to their lowest league position in more than half century deserved a knighthood and statue alongside Ramsey and Robson.
We should have fired the brontosaurus the season before and not then dithered endlessly on a replacement until settling on a man who'd only ever gained promotion from the non-league. | | | |
| ^ contradiction in terms on 11:17 - Dec 10 with 966 views | Dyland |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:22 - Dec 10 with 952 views | SteveDt |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:09 - Dec 10 by chicoazul |
You must be new here. |
There were plenty on here at the time who talked about relegation being the preferred option , people on here with short memories or just the numbskulls who drove him out | | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:26 - Dec 10 with 922 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:01 - Dec 10 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Saw it said on this v forum many times that it would be worth it and we'd rebuild.
That said MM had to go and it's not his sacking that lead us here. Equally I'm not sure we'd be rid of Evans had we not been relegated but still |
Losing McCarthy was the seminal event leading to our current circumstances. |  |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:35 - Dec 10 with 916 views | homer_123 |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:10 - Dec 10 by Guthrum |
There were some people who, once it became inevitable we were going down, tried to make the best of it, hoping for a bounce-back. But that's somewhat different to suggesting it might be a good idea beforehand (which is daft). |
Indeed - there were one or two on here from the outset who were almost calling for relegation to re-set things. But the majority were clear in pointing out that relegation is 'never, ever' a good thing, ever. |  |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 12:29 - Dec 10 with 864 views | BlueBlood90 |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 09:31 - Dec 10 by fredbarber |
Still bringing out the bloody McCarthy thing.
It was the decisions after his departure that were the problem for where we find ourselves in league one not getting rid of him.
He was here 6 years,
Surely his time at Cardiff shows that in space of 6 months. Starts of well but goes stale.
I am convinced some of our fans would given him chambers skuse etc contracts for life.
They had their time, move on [Post edited 10 Dec 2021 9:33]
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Absolutely bang on.
If we'd have appointed someone like Mark Warburton, Scott Parker, Frank Lampard etc instead of Hurst then this conversation would've been dead and buried.
It's only because we hired a couple of completely inept managers to take over back to back that we ended up in this position. | |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 12:43 - Dec 10 with 817 views | Sawtrich |
Relegation is bad for a club. Lack of investment is bad for a club. Appointing the wrong manager is bad for a club.
We've suffered all of these, we've started to turn it around with the investment, getting the right manager in now will be crucial. We can be a force again in the not too distant future.
COYB |  | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 12:50 - Dec 10 with 793 views | chicoazul |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 11:10 - Dec 10 by Guthrum |
There were some people who, once it became inevitable we were going down, tried to make the best of it, hoping for a bounce-back. But that's somewhat different to suggesting it might be a good idea beforehand (which is daft). |
Plenty of people said stuff like “when we go down it’s a great chance to reset in fact I hope it happens”, exactly along the lines OP article alludes to. I remember.
People also now say “maybe Gamechanger wouldn’t have happened if we hadn’t gone down”. Maybe indeed. | |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 13:11 - Dec 10 with 769 views | WD19 |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:34 - Dec 10 by DavoIPB |
Cannot believe what I am reading on here. Fans defending Mick McCarthy. Literally a manager who hated the fans. Played terrible boring football and sucked the soul out of Ipswich town. Then Hurst who sold championship quality players and brought in poor league 1 and league 2 players. Then couldn't get them to win a football match. |
Point of order: Mick did not hate all the fans. |  | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 13:13 - Dec 10 with 759 views | Guthrum |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 12:50 - Dec 10 by chicoazul |
Plenty of people said stuff like “when we go down it’s a great chance to reset in fact I hope it happens”, exactly along the lines OP article alludes to. I remember.
People also now say “maybe Gamechanger wouldn’t have happened if we hadn’t gone down”. Maybe indeed. |
That last bit may, indeed, be true. Us being in L1 probably tipped the balance in terms of possible improvement and returns.
Not convinced that would justify relegation and the last two-and-a-half seasons worth of damage, however. | |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 13:15 - Dec 10 with 752 views | footers |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:48 - Dec 10 by OldFart71 |
I afraid there's a big difference between not liking the Manager and not liking the Man. Every fan of every club when their team hits the buffers blames the manager although we know as currently with Town, a lot is to do with the players. With MM it was more a dislike of the man. Yes he was to a great extent working with his hands tied behind his back because of Evans and some of MM's loan players were fantastic. It was just his boring attitude to accepting a point before a game was played. Worrying about the opposition rather than letting them worry about us. The straw that broke the camels back was obviously him calling fans part of a woman's anatomy . No doubt some were verbally abusing him, but still no excuse. Rise above it. Which he couldn't. |
Er, did Mick ever refer to our fans as 'part of a woman's anatomy'? Thought that was the insult, along with nonce, which some of our lovely fans were giving out to him.
I recall him only ever telling that section of the fanbase to feck off, which tbh I would've done as well.
P.S. No, it's not a good article. [Post edited 10 Dec 2021 13:15]
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 13:16 - Dec 10 with 749 views | MattinLondon |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 13:11 - Dec 10 by WD19 |
Point of order: Mick did not hate all the fans. |
I’d wager that Mick didn’t hate any of our fan base but resented the fact that he (in his eyes) wasn’t being given the credit he thought he deserved.
If he did hate some of our fans then I wonder what his feelings are towards the other clubs he managed seeing as we are a lot more patient than most. |  | | |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 13:30 - Dec 10 with 710 views | TheMoralMajority |
A lot of revisionism going on in this thread.
McCarthy's pragmatism was a requirement given the constraints he was working under from Evans. Was it good to watch? No, Was it the only way? Definitely not. What has happened since then is evidence of these constraints. Unfortunately it was just the situation we found ourselves in with an owner who had made poor appointment after poor appointment and had pretty much cut financial input into the club and failed to put any senior management structure in place.
Fans were crying out for a "young upcoming manager" and Hurst fit that biil. I recall very few dissenting voices at the time. As it turns out, it was a total disaster that we are still very much living with now. But hindsight is 20-20. It was Hurst or Jack Ross I seem to remember. Would things have been different with Ross? Given what has happened with him since, it appears unlikely.
In no way am I saying sacking McCarthy was the wrong thing to do. I just think that moving from a manager who could motivate a team of sub-standard players + some excellent loanees on a non-existant budget playing dire and pragmatic football to one with no experience at this level was, unfortunately (and with hindsight), always going to be catastrophic.
The sad fact is, what McCarthy achieved was probably the best we could ever hope for under Evans. Fortunately Evans has gone now (in no small part due to the disaster that followed), and we can only hope that the correct decisions are made now. [Post edited 10 Dec 2021 13:33]
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 14:09 - Dec 10 with 664 views | TractorWood |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 09:31 - Dec 10 by fredbarber |
Still bringing out the bloody McCarthy thing.
It was the decisions after his departure that were the problem for where we find ourselves in league one not getting rid of him.
He was here 6 years,
Surely his time at Cardiff shows that in space of 6 months. Starts of well but goes stale.
I am convinced some of our fans would given him chambers skuse etc contracts for life.
They had their time, move on [Post edited 10 Dec 2021 9:33]
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MM and Evans left the club in an awful mess in reality too. Flogged our best players every year and replaced them with slightly worse players at best but mostly frees, dross, misfits and gambles. Leaving a spine of aging players who weren't up for it or weren't actually good enough.
I get that Samuel is defending his mate but our fate and current predicament was down to a decade of mismanagement, strategic penny pinching and subservience to FFP that never actually materialised.
MM's departure was the key crux of events but our downfall was inevitable. [Post edited 10 Dec 2021 14:11]
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 02:33 - Dec 11 with 561 views | chicoazul |
| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 13:13 - Dec 10 by Guthrum |
That last bit may, indeed, be true. Us being in L1 probably tipped the balance in terms of possible improvement and returns.
Not convinced that would justify relegation and the last two-and-a-half seasons worth of damage, however. |
No it’s all true. | |
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| Good article by Martin Samuel here…. on 10:10 - Dec 11 with 465 views | strikalite |
He doesn't mention attendances I see, I bet our attendances are 3k up in League One to when MM was here, and that's in a League where travelling number are well down on the bigger Championship Clubs...
We were stuck in the Championship, we knew throwing the dice could go either way, but it had to be done. |  | | |
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