| Ah well 11:44 - Jan 18 with 3296 views | chicoazul |
Keep worrying about parties and lying to parliament I suppose.
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| Ah well on 12:59 - Jan 18 with 1408 views | Darth_Koont |
You’re right to point out how bad poverty is for so many children – and of course that’s just going to cost them and us more over a lifetime.
But it’s not just now that it’s studiously avoided. I’ve been banging on about it for years while politics has too often been about politicians and parties jockeying for position. I mean we spoke of little else other than the manufactured and utterly avoidable Brexit crisis for 4 or 5 years.
However, I don’t think it’s an inability to focus on more than one thing that’s the reason. It’s a lack of political will. We don’t talk about child poverty IMO because a) not enough people care b) too many people think a helping hand is just a hand out to the “undeserving poor” and c) all the main parties, the media and a lot of the electorate bought into the idea that austerity was the right and only choice after the financial crash.
Covering child poverty, and really proposing doing something about it, would take an admission of culpability and a shift in ideology. Which, as we’ve seen with most Brexiteers, just ain’t going to happen any time soon. |  |
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| Ah well on 13:00 - Jan 18 with 1407 views | leitrimblue |
| Ah well on 12:54 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
well the white bits not true. 18% bame, so in that sense considerably more diverse than the uk population. is bentley bowls club 18% bame? |
Sorry of course you are correct. The cabinet completely represents the cultural, racial and class diversity of the UK as whole. Definitely not mainly a collection of upper middle class, white public school boys. |  | | |
| Ah well on 13:00 - Jan 18 with 1404 views | Herbivore |
| Ah well on 12:57 - Jan 18 by chicoazul |
Well without putting words in his mouth I think Koont and I would agree on the problem. Our cures would probably be wildly different though. For instance one of my cures for child poverty in this country would be to create many grammar schools. Another would be to build nuclear power stations. Both of which would be imvho sensible and conservative.
I think I understand better than you simply by virtue of how you and others always seem so surprised and disappointed at the direction this country chooses when it gets to choose (not that it is much of a choice). I never am. The capacity of the English rump to vote against their own interests never surprises me because I understand the people and the forces aligned against them. |
That's all really inaccurate, as usual. |  |
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| Ah well on 13:01 - Jan 18 with 1403 views | lowhouseblue |
| Ah well on 13:00 - Jan 18 by leitrimblue |
Sorry of course you are correct. The cabinet completely represents the cultural, racial and class diversity of the UK as whole. Definitely not mainly a collection of upper middle class, white public school boys. |
in terms of class and education you are right. in terms of race the cabinet is more diverse than the uk population. isn't that a positive thing? |  |
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| Ah well on 13:05 - Jan 18 with 1385 views | BlueBadger |
| Ah well on 12:25 - Jan 18 by chicoazul |
Yes of course there were no children in poverty when Brown left office. As if it makes an iota of difference as long as so many people choose to look away. |
There were of course, considerably fewer, in 2010.
That's not a very imaginative 'yes but Labour', there.
Stick to quoting terorists when trying to look edgy, you're not bright enough for this. |  |
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| Ah well on 13:08 - Jan 18 with 1375 views | leitrimblue |
| Ah well on 13:01 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
in terms of class and education you are right. in terms of race the cabinet is more diverse than the uk population. isn't that a positive thing? |
It's a tiny, tiny pointless improvement in my opinion. Allowing some of their upper middle class, non white, public school boy mates in clearly looks good for diversity numbers. But I don't believe for one second that they in anyway represent the racial diversity of the UK. Or
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| Ah well on 13:12 - Jan 18 with 1352 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ah well on 12:59 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
calling bame cabinet members 'tokenism' verges on racism. |
Don’t be daft.
They are certainly not there fighting for minority rights. And there’s evidence to suggest that they are providing cover for systemic racism and injustice to continue. | |
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| Ah well on 13:12 - Jan 18 with 1347 views | lowhouseblue |
| Ah well on 13:08 - Jan 18 by leitrimblue |
It's a tiny, tiny pointless improvement in my opinion. Allowing some of their upper middle class, non white, public school boy mates in clearly looks good for diversity numbers. But I don't believe for one second that they in anyway represent the racial diversity of the UK. Or
express the views or feelings of these groups |
"It's a tiny, tiny pointless improvement in my opinion."
wow, that's your response to the most diverse cabinet in history. how blinkered tribal politics makes us. they don't count because they don't share your politics. | |
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| Ah well on 13:15 - Jan 18 with 1338 views | lowhouseblue |
| Ah well on 13:12 - Jan 18 by Darth_Koont |
Don’t be daft.
They are certainly not there fighting for minority rights. And there’s evidence to suggest that they are providing cover for systemic racism and injustice to continue. |
so you don't think that saying bame people who reach senior positions are there because of tokenism can be racist?. right, ok nice.
the fact you don't share their politics doesn't stop them being bame. | |
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| Ah well on 13:21 - Jan 18 with 1315 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ah well on 13:15 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
so you don't think that saying bame people who reach senior positions are there because of tokenism can be racist?. right, ok nice.
the fact you don't share their politics doesn't stop them being bame. |
Of course not.
Equally this is not evidence that the Conservative party and government is committed to diversity and equality in the wider world. Unfortunately, for the Conservative party and its ideology, senior BAME Conservatives provide very useful cover. | |
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| Ah well on 13:23 - Jan 18 with 1310 views | leitrimblue |
| Ah well on 13:12 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
"It's a tiny, tiny pointless improvement in my opinion."
wow, that's your response to the most diverse cabinet in history. how blinkered tribal politics makes us. they don't count because they don't share your politics. |
You think Priti Patel etc represent the cultural diversity and views of the UK. I would suggest she supports and represents the white, middle class status quo. She just happens to be non white | | | |
| Ah well on 13:30 - Jan 18 with 1277 views | Zx1988 |
| Ah well on 12:18 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
in terms of the white bit, you do realise that this is the most diverse cabinet ever and the most diverse executive in europe? and that the proportion of bame meps went down after brexit? |
Which, to my mind, makes it even worse that one of those BAME cabinet ministers is actively pursuing racist policies aimed at victimising and oppressing some of the most vulnerable in society.
Surely you'd have to be bordering on sociopathic, having grown up as a BAME individual in 1970s/1980s Britain and probably having had direct experience of some pretty vile racism, to decide that you want to pursue the sorts of policies that Priti Patel is currently championing. Especially given that, had the rules she wants to impose have existed in the 1960s, her parents would have been shipped back to Uganda. [Post edited 18 Jan 2022 13:37]
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| Ah well on 16:14 - Jan 18 with 1189 views | Herbivore |
| Ah well on 12:59 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
calling bame cabinet members 'tokenism' verges on racism. |
Ridiculous post. | |
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| Ah well on 16:31 - Jan 18 with 1158 views | jeera |
| Ah well on 12:11 - Jan 18 by Plums |
Who has been in power since 2012?
There is literally nobody else to blame for the state of this country and in particular its plummeting demise since the heady days of the London Olympics. [Post edited 18 Jan 2022 12:12]
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Even worse than that.
You've mistyped 2010. |  |
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| Ah well on 16:31 - Jan 18 with 1157 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ah well on 13:08 - Jan 18 by leitrimblue |
It's a tiny, tiny pointless improvement in my opinion. Allowing some of their upper middle class, non white, public school boy mates in clearly looks good for diversity numbers. But I don't believe for one second that they in anyway represent the racial diversity of the UK. Or
express the views or feelings of these groups |
Scotland is even worse - just 4.5pc of Scottish members are from BAME backgrounds. I mean it’s 2022 how is that representative? | | | |
| Ah well on 16:45 - Jan 18 with 1132 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Ah well on 13:12 - Jan 18 by Darth_Koont |
Don’t be daft.
They are certainly not there fighting for minority rights. And there’s evidence to suggest that they are providing cover for systemic racism and injustice to continue. |
I can't think of a decent reason to contest what you said. So instead I'm going to make up a vaguely related point. Claim that this is what you mean. Pretend to be offended by what I made up. Then when you argue back, I will no longer have to deal with your initial point. |  |
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| Ah well on 16:52 - Jan 18 with 1104 views | noggin |
| Ah well on 12:59 - Jan 18 by Darth_Koont |
You’re right to point out how bad poverty is for so many children – and of course that’s just going to cost them and us more over a lifetime.
But it’s not just now that it’s studiously avoided. I’ve been banging on about it for years while politics has too often been about politicians and parties jockeying for position. I mean we spoke of little else other than the manufactured and utterly avoidable Brexit crisis for 4 or 5 years.
However, I don’t think it’s an inability to focus on more than one thing that’s the reason. It’s a lack of political will. We don’t talk about child poverty IMO because a) not enough people care b) too many people think a helping hand is just a hand out to the “undeserving poor” and c) all the main parties, the media and a lot of the electorate bought into the idea that austerity was the right and only choice after the financial crash.
Covering child poverty, and really proposing doing something about it, would take an admission of culpability and a shift in ideology. Which, as we’ve seen with most Brexiteers, just ain’t going to happen any time soon. |
A lot of the Rule Britannia mob will tell you that child poverty isn't an issue because when their grandparents grew up they played with sticks. |  |
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| Ah well on 17:00 - Jan 18 with 1093 views | eireblue |
| Ah well on 12:07 - Jan 18 by StokieBlue |
Pathetic dig because you look silly in the other thread.
Most people are able to think about more than one issue at a time. Perhaps not having a massive liar in power would mean that things like this could actually be focused on and addressed with more accuracy by politicians.
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I remember one Karen or Mark type that banged on about Intermittent Fasting, whilst children starved! Can you believe such a thing! Tut tut. |  | | |
| Ah well on 19:47 - Jan 18 with 1032 views | BlueBadger |
| Ah well on 13:23 - Jan 18 by leitrimblue |
You think Priti Patel etc represent the cultural diversity and views of the UK. I would suggest she supports and represents the white, middle class status quo. She just happens to be non white |
She is 'one of the good ones'. | |
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| Ah well on 19:59 - Jan 18 with 1014 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Ah well on 13:23 - Jan 18 by leitrimblue |
You think Priti Patel etc represent the cultural diversity and views of the UK. I would suggest she supports and represents the white, middle class status quo. She just happens to be non white |
It's almost like it's a ......
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| Ah well on 20:18 - Jan 18 with 985 views | Trequartista |
| Ah well on 12:54 - Jan 18 by lowhouseblue |
well the white bits not true. 18% bame, so in that sense considerably more diverse than the uk population. is bentley bowls club 18% bame? |
If the question is “Is Boris Johnson racist” we have evidence on one side of non-direct racial slurs used in newspaper articles quite a long time ago, and we have evidence on the other side of appointing a plethora of non-white people to prominent Government positions. Surely actions speak louder than words, and racial bias is more serious than using the wrong words? |  |
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| Ah well on 20:25 - Jan 18 with 977 views | jeera |
| Ah well on 20:18 - Jan 18 by Trequartista |
If the question is “Is Boris Johnson racist” we have evidence on one side of non-direct racial slurs used in newspaper articles quite a long time ago, and we have evidence on the other side of appointing a plethora of non-white people to prominent Government positions. Surely actions speak louder than words, and racial bias is more serious than using the wrong words? |
He has repeatedly used words he considered to be acceptable which gives a reasonable insight into how he may well view the world.
Appointing people of ethnicities other than his own doesn't eradicate any of that. | |
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| Ah well on 20:27 - Jan 18 with 962 views | Herbivore |
| Ah well on 20:18 - Jan 18 by Trequartista |
If the question is “Is Boris Johnson racist” we have evidence on one side of non-direct racial slurs used in newspaper articles quite a long time ago, and we have evidence on the other side of appointing a plethora of non-white people to prominent Government positions. Surely actions speak louder than words, and racial bias is more serious than using the wrong words? |
"Some of my best mates are black". | |
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| Ah well on 20:29 - Jan 18 with 952 views | footers |
| Ah well on 20:18 - Jan 18 by Trequartista |
If the question is “Is Boris Johnson racist” we have evidence on one side of non-direct racial slurs used in newspaper articles quite a long time ago, and we have evidence on the other side of appointing a plethora of non-white people to prominent Government positions. Surely actions speak louder than words, and racial bias is more serious than using the wrong words? |
Dunno about anyone else, but I've found it pretty easy to go through life without comparing Muslim women to letterboxes, saying that Black people have statistically lower IQs than any other race or calling gay men 'tank-topped bumboys'.
Easy mistake to make, I suppose. |  |
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| Ah well on 20:36 - Jan 18 with 930 views | BlueBadger |
| Ah well on 20:18 - Jan 18 by Trequartista |
If the question is “Is Boris Johnson racist” we have evidence on one side of non-direct racial slurs used in newspaper articles quite a long time ago, and we have evidence on the other side of appointing a plethora of non-white people to prominent Government positions. Surely actions speak louder than words, and racial bias is more serious than using the wrong words? |
If you ignore all the openly racist things he's said over the years, sure, then he's not racist. | |
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