| What the actual f*** on 11:46 - Mar 20 with 2755 views | gtsb1966 |
| What the actual f*** on 11:39 - Mar 20 by Swansea_Blue |
The Cult of Brexit is all he’s got. In Brexiteer’s own heads they’ve been at war with the EU for years, so I suppose this is the logical extension of that flawed and small-minded world view. He’s just tapping into what’s worked for him before, thinking he’ll get the Brexidiots rallying around him again. I very much doubt he actually believes anything he’s said.
Meanwhile, Sue Grey and the Met are taking their time… It’s about time we had the fully story about how they took us all for mugs and broke their own laws, followed swiftly by some some charges and a vote of no confidence. |
Ideally the Met report will come out after the Ukraine crisis so it is top of the news for days. Hopefully both will happen very soon. |  | |  |
| What the actual f*** on 13:05 - Mar 20 with 2682 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What the actual f*** on 00:29 - Mar 20 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but the other fella bought a field so his mum could run a donkey sanctuary. |
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| Yes!! on 13:17 - Mar 20 with 2660 views | unstableblue |
| What the actual f*** on 09:26 - Mar 20 by MattinLondon |
Hang on, so you’re insinuating that the UK was an independent sovereign country whilst in the EU? |
We had full control of the majority of our legislation, spending and policy. You just chose to listen to the Tory back bench, Farage and the Daily Mail.
Read on:
The question of sovereignty lies at the heart of the UK’s EU referendum. Many in Britain believe that the process of EU decision-making has undermined British parliamentary democracy, and that leaving the EU is the only way for the British people to regain control of their sovereignty.
This ignores the fact that successive British governments have chosen to pool aspects of the country’s sovereign power in the EU in order to achieve national objectives that they could not have achieved on their own, such as creating the single market, enlarging the EU, constraining Iran’s nuclear programme, and helping to design an ambitious EU climate change strategy.
Apart from EU immigration, the British government still determines the vast majority of policy over every issue of greatest concern to British voters — including health, education, pensions, welfare, monetary policy, defence and border security. The arguments for leaving also ignore the fact that the UK controls more than 98 per cent of its public expenditure.
The British economy has prospered in the EU. The UK boasts higher economic growth and lower unemployment than most major developed economies. It attracts the most foreign direct investment in the EU, and is ranked among the most open places to do business in the developed world. British economic weaknesses, such as low growth in productivity, are self-inflicted. |  |
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| What the actual f*** on 13:29 - Mar 20 with 2645 views | EdwardStone |
Dreadfully insulting comparison. The man is a fool.
I have written to my barking mad Tory MP to remind him that the Brexit vote was "won" on the slenderest of majorities on a false prospectus and saying that I will never vote Conservative again while this oaf Johnson is in charge of their Party |  | | |
| What the actual f*** on 15:46 - Mar 20 with 2585 views | peterleeblue |
| What the actual f*** on 13:29 - Mar 20 by EdwardStone |
Dreadfully insulting comparison. The man is a fool.
I have written to my barking mad Tory MP to remind him that the Brexit vote was "won" on the slenderest of majorities on a false prospectus and saying that I will never vote Conservative again while this oaf Johnson is in charge of their Party |
Dreadfully insulting comparison. The man is a fool.
I have written to my barking mad Tory MP to remind him that the Brexit vote was "won" on the slenderest of majorities on a false prospectus and saying that I will never vote Conservative again
I've tidied your Post for you. Otherwise excellent . |  | | |
| What the actual f*** on 15:53 - Mar 20 with 2576 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The most ironic thing about this is that Russian money/technology almost certainly helped enable the Brexit campaign to "win". Putin is delighted we left the EU just as he doesn't want Ukraine to be a part of NATO nor the EU. |  |
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| Yes!! on 15:57 - Mar 20 with 2559 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Yes!! on 13:17 - Mar 20 by unstableblue |
We had full control of the majority of our legislation, spending and policy. You just chose to listen to the Tory back bench, Farage and the Daily Mail.
Read on:
The question of sovereignty lies at the heart of the UK’s EU referendum. Many in Britain believe that the process of EU decision-making has undermined British parliamentary democracy, and that leaving the EU is the only way for the British people to regain control of their sovereignty.
This ignores the fact that successive British governments have chosen to pool aspects of the country’s sovereign power in the EU in order to achieve national objectives that they could not have achieved on their own, such as creating the single market, enlarging the EU, constraining Iran’s nuclear programme, and helping to design an ambitious EU climate change strategy.
Apart from EU immigration, the British government still determines the vast majority of policy over every issue of greatest concern to British voters — including health, education, pensions, welfare, monetary policy, defence and border security. The arguments for leaving also ignore the fact that the UK controls more than 98 per cent of its public expenditure.
The British economy has prospered in the EU. The UK boasts higher economic growth and lower unemployment than most major developed economies. It attracts the most foreign direct investment in the EU, and is ranked among the most open places to do business in the developed world. British economic weaknesses, such as low growth in productivity, are self-inflicted. |
I am fairly sure MattInLondon's post was heavily laced with sarcasm. | |
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| What the actual f*** on 20:14 - Mar 20 with 2465 views | EdwardStone |
| What the actual f*** on 15:46 - Mar 20 by peterleeblue |
Dreadfully insulting comparison. The man is a fool.
I have written to my barking mad Tory MP to remind him that the Brexit vote was "won" on the slenderest of majorities on a false prospectus and saying that I will never vote Conservative again
I've tidied your Post for you. Otherwise excellent . |
Thanks,, but.... I was aiming for some leverage by tempting them that I may, when Johnson is consigned the compost heap of history, honour them with my vote.
In fact I do occasionally vote for one of my neighbours who is a decent enuff bloke and works well as a Councillor. He actually helped once when I was having some planning issues.
He is an old-school Tory. | | | |
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| What the actual f*** on 11:02 - Mar 21 with 2360 views | EdwardStone |
| What the actual f*** on 20:14 - Mar 20 by EdwardStone |
Thanks,, but.... I was aiming for some leverage by tempting them that I may, when Johnson is consigned the compost heap of history, honour them with my vote.
In fact I do occasionally vote for one of my neighbours who is a decent enuff bloke and works well as a Councillor. He actually helped once when I was having some planning issues.
He is an old-school Tory. |
I was very surprised to hear back from my MP's office this morning....they have never replied to anything from me before
Apparently my MP considers Johnson's comments " Ill advised" | | | |
| Yes!! on 11:42 - Mar 21 with 2334 views | MattinLondon |
| Yes!! on 15:57 - Mar 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am fairly sure MattInLondon's post was heavily laced with sarcasm. |
Yeah, it was. |  | | |
| What the actual f*** on 11:50 - Mar 21 with 2323 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| What the actual f*** on 11:02 - Mar 21 by EdwardStone |
I was very surprised to hear back from my MP's office this morning....they have never replied to anything from me before
Apparently my MP considers Johnson's comments " Ill advised" |
He presumably would have preferred something along the lines of "Defending your country from invasion is very much like making love to a beautiful woman ....." |  |
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| What the actual f*** on 12:49 - Mar 21 with 2302 views | lowhouseblue |
i was stunned by what boris was reported as having said - it was nothing short of moronic. but this is interesting - ok it's a right wing commentator etc etc - but it does suggest that the reporting of what he said was misleading. he didn't say that bexit could be compared to ukrain's heroic fight, he compared it to ukrain's prior belief in freedom, freedom of the press etc, which had directly triggered putin's invasion.
https://order-order.com/2022/03/21/debunking-media-claim-boris-compared-brexit-w
let the down arrows rain. and i don't agree with him that brexit was a move to greater freedom - the point is that he didn't compare it to the war, he compared it to the ukrainian belief in freedom that preceded the war. |  |
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| What the actual f*** on 13:02 - Mar 21 with 2274 views | XYZ |
| What the actual f*** on 12:49 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
i was stunned by what boris was reported as having said - it was nothing short of moronic. but this is interesting - ok it's a right wing commentator etc etc - but it does suggest that the reporting of what he said was misleading. he didn't say that bexit could be compared to ukrain's heroic fight, he compared it to ukrain's prior belief in freedom, freedom of the press etc, which had directly triggered putin's invasion.
https://order-order.com/2022/03/21/debunking-media-claim-boris-compared-brexit-w
let the down arrows rain. and i don't agree with him that brexit was a move to greater freedom - the point is that he didn't compare it to the war, he compared it to the ukrainian belief in freedom that preceded the war. |
Thanks. Can you confirm whether Putin has invaded Ukraine?
I'm sure one of your hot-taking sources will have a good line for you to adopt.
Edit: failed to note that the source was the Russian-funded Guido.
Much lolling. [Post edited 21 Mar 2022 13:03]
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| What the actual f*** on 13:10 - Mar 21 with 2249 views | lowhouseblue |
| What the actual f*** on 13:02 - Mar 21 by XYZ |
Thanks. Can you confirm whether Putin has invaded Ukraine?
I'm sure one of your hot-taking sources will have a good line for you to adopt.
Edit: failed to note that the source was the Russian-funded Guido.
Much lolling. [Post edited 21 Mar 2022 13:03]
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did you listen to the relevant part of the speech? - did boris compare brexit to ukraine's resistance to russian invasion? not in that clip.
the comparison was to ukraine's belief in freedom prior to the invasion. doubtless even that is crass rhetoric, but it has still been seriously misreported. | |
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| What the actual f*** on 13:13 - Mar 21 with 2241 views | Churchman |
| What the actual f*** on 12:49 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
i was stunned by what boris was reported as having said - it was nothing short of moronic. but this is interesting - ok it's a right wing commentator etc etc - but it does suggest that the reporting of what he said was misleading. he didn't say that bexit could be compared to ukrain's heroic fight, he compared it to ukrain's prior belief in freedom, freedom of the press etc, which had directly triggered putin's invasion.
https://order-order.com/2022/03/21/debunking-media-claim-boris-compared-brexit-w
let the down arrows rain. and i don't agree with him that brexit was a move to greater freedom - the point is that he didn't compare it to the war, he compared it to the ukrainian belief in freedom that preceded the war. |
I’m sorry, but I heard what he said and even going anywhere near a comparison of Brexit and Ukraine in any context or way was to use your first line word, moronic. Tasteless too.
Without the war, would Johnson have made that comparison? Of course not. The fact that shameless berk Javid doubled down on it in his interview shows just how out of touch they are. |  | | |
| What the actual f*** on 13:19 - Mar 21 with 2221 views | lowhouseblue |
| What the actual f*** on 13:13 - Mar 21 by Churchman |
I’m sorry, but I heard what he said and even going anywhere near a comparison of Brexit and Ukraine in any context or way was to use your first line word, moronic. Tasteless too.
Without the war, would Johnson have made that comparison? Of course not. The fact that shameless berk Javid doubled down on it in his interview shows just how out of touch they are. |
i agree, even saying that ukraine's established belief in political freedom, which putin is now trying to crush, compares to brexit is crass rhetoric. but, had he said that ukraine fighting heroically in this awful war compared to brexit that would have been in a different league - moronic, disrespectful, and indefensible. he's is reported as having made the later comparison, but the speech shows clearly that he didn't. that's appalling misreporting. | |
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| What the actual f*** on 13:24 - Mar 21 with 2202 views | leitrimblue |
| What the actual f*** on 12:49 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
i was stunned by what boris was reported as having said - it was nothing short of moronic. but this is interesting - ok it's a right wing commentator etc etc - but it does suggest that the reporting of what he said was misleading. he didn't say that bexit could be compared to ukrain's heroic fight, he compared it to ukrain's prior belief in freedom, freedom of the press etc, which had directly triggered putin's invasion.
https://order-order.com/2022/03/21/debunking-media-claim-boris-compared-brexit-w
let the down arrows rain. and i don't agree with him that brexit was a move to greater freedom - the point is that he didn't compare it to the war, he compared it to the ukrainian belief in freedom that preceded the war. |
If yer gonna use Guido as a source you may as well just quote Putin |  | | |
| What the actual f*** on 13:37 - Mar 21 with 2194 views | XYZ |
| What the actual f*** on 13:10 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
did you listen to the relevant part of the speech? - did boris compare brexit to ukraine's resistance to russian invasion? not in that clip.
the comparison was to ukraine's belief in freedom prior to the invasion. doubtless even that is crass rhetoric, but it has still been seriously misreported. |
You're not stupid, so one can only conclude you know what you're doing here.
Not a great look when the bloke who paid your source is obliterating Ukraine. | | | |
| What the actual f*** on 13:41 - Mar 21 with 2180 views | lowhouseblue |
| What the actual f*** on 13:37 - Mar 21 by XYZ |
You're not stupid, so one can only conclude you know what you're doing here.
Not a great look when the bloke who paid your source is obliterating Ukraine. |
why not enter into reasoned discussion? insults rather than debate is really very dull. | |
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| What the actual f*** on 13:43 - Mar 21 with 2177 views | lowhouseblue |
| What the actual f*** on 13:24 - Mar 21 by leitrimblue |
If yer gonna use Guido as a source you may as well just quote Putin |
why not discuss the point made. it seems clear that the speech has been significantly misreported. | |
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| What the actual f*** on 13:43 - Mar 21 with 2176 views | Darth_Koont |
Enjoyable thread that really encapsulates our politics and our democratic problems.
Bad-faith reading? Check.
Selectively applied double standards? Check check. |  |
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| What the actual f*** on 13:51 - Mar 21 with 2156 views | leitrimblue |
| What the actual f*** on 13:43 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
why not discuss the point made. it seems clear that the speech has been significantly misreported. |
You really want me to read the definitely not influenced by Russia Guido an get back to yer? | | | |
| What the actual f*** on 14:04 - Mar 21 with 2133 views | XYZ |
| What the actual f*** on 13:41 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
why not enter into reasoned discussion? insults rather than debate is really very dull. |
1. Johnson tries to portray himself as the UK's Zelinsky.
2. Gets called out for it.
3. Lowhouse portrays Johnson as the victim using a Putin mouthpiece in support.
That's about it isn't it? | | | |
| What the actual f*** on 14:06 - Mar 21 with 2127 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| What the actual f*** on 13:43 - Mar 21 by lowhouseblue |
why not discuss the point made. it seems clear that the speech has been significantly misreported. |
If he didn't want the comparison to be implied by anyone interpreting his speech, he need not have mentioned Brexit at all at that point - he could have just stuck with the example of Brits choosing to get vaccinated in large numbers - which is actually a better example as it does imply fighting an existential threat - in Brexit, no such existential threat was present as far as I'm aware.... |  |
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