| Is violence ever acceptable 07:44 - Mar 29 with 7870 views | onceablue |
This will smith incident has caused massive discussion and how you should react if someone insults you or a family member
I was taught sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt me
I guess we live in such a violent society that this no longer applies
It appears now unless you go round thumping people at the earliest opportunity you are no longer a man
Going back to the Wild West dates eh
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:10 - Mar 29 with 1848 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 08:53 - Mar 29 by BloomBlue |
But where do you draw the line? Many police officers will have offensive comments made to them today by people they stop, in that situation is it OK for a police officer to slap that individual without it being against the law?
Also what level of violence is acceptable you could slap someone they fall and smash their head, so is stabbing someone in the throat as acceptable as slapping someone.
When someone calls my mate Clive an 'old fart' or 'baldy' it upsets him, is he ok to immediately slap that person and what if it's a kid a in a school uniform, those words hurt Clive just as much is it OK to slap them
Personally I would like slap Will Smith for the fresh prince of bel-air because as sitcom I thought it was offensive to comedy |
Blue Lives Matter and hating on one of the most groundbreaking progressive shows in history.
You really are the biggest square to ever grace this forum. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:11 - Mar 29 with 1864 views | Skip_Intro |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:08 - Mar 29 by monytowbray |
Violence in society has existed since I was born. I took bigger whacks at school.
People acting like Smith slapping someone on TV is the first violent act to ever happen in human history and the floodgates will open. |
an it never dun me any arm mate... |  | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:14 - Mar 29 with 1852 views | Guthrum |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:51 - Mar 29 by Illinoisblue |
If he was genuinely that angry, you punch and not slap. Something doesn’t smell right. |
Tho it might have been the case, that having marched on stage, he thought better of actually thumping Rock, but couldn't retreat without at least doing something physical. Especially as mere swearing would be muted. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:15 - Mar 29 with 1832 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:11 - Mar 29 by Skip_Intro |
an it never dun me any arm mate... |
Like, could he have handled it better with words? Sure.
But it was a piss weak slap and arguably deserved, whilst everyone largely ignores how awful and tasteless the joke was.
Humanity has been killing each other and violent since god knows when. Wars are constant. But OH NO A CELEBRITY SLAPPED ANOTHER CELEBRITY ON TV.
I’ve seen worse intentional fouls at football. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:17 - Mar 29 with 1840 views | GeoffSentence |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:17 - Mar 29 by jeera |
Mate, there was a rumour circulating behind the scenes on here of a plot to have you bumped off for cheating at wordle.
There are some things in life where you reap what you sow. |
Cheating at Wordle!!! How very dare you. That's going too far. I'll see you outside. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:20 - Mar 29 with 1818 views | Skip_Intro |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:15 - Mar 29 by monytowbray |
Like, could he have handled it better with words? Sure.
But it was a piss weak slap and arguably deserved, whilst everyone largely ignores how awful and tasteless the joke was.
Humanity has been killing each other and violent since god knows when. Wars are constant. But OH NO A CELEBRITY SLAPPED ANOTHER CELEBRITY ON TV.
I’ve seen worse intentional fouls at football. |
Agree the joke was pretty tasteless but resorting to violence was completely unnecessary.
Millions of people look up to celebrities like Will Smith as some kind of role model (rightly or wrongly) and he should know better.
We've all seen violence in our lives - I've seen plenty too - but that doesn't make it right or mean that we shouldn't try to educate young people that violence is very rarely the answer... | | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:22 - Mar 29 with 1787 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:20 - Mar 29 by Skip_Intro |
Agree the joke was pretty tasteless but resorting to violence was completely unnecessary.
Millions of people look up to celebrities like Will Smith as some kind of role model (rightly or wrongly) and he should know better.
We've all seen violence in our lives - I've seen plenty too - but that doesn't make it right or mean that we shouldn't try to educate young people that violence is very rarely the answer... |
I agree, but we also need to stop ignoring the fact that incredibly tasteless insults like that are also no better than violence either. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:25 - Mar 29 with 1793 views | Skip_Intro |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:22 - Mar 29 by monytowbray |
I agree, but we also need to stop ignoring the fact that incredibly tasteless insults like that are also no better than violence either. |
I just find your viewpoint hard to understand - you consistently post on here about the suffering of animals and how appalling it is but human suffering at the hands of another human being is apparently ok according to your posts in this thread.
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:34 - Mar 29 with 1744 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:25 - Mar 29 by Skip_Intro |
I just find your viewpoint hard to understand - you consistently post on here about the suffering of animals and how appalling it is but human suffering at the hands of another human being is apparently ok according to your posts in this thread.
Strange. |
It was a p1ss slap for a sh1tty ableist insult to his wife. And a matter I’ve seen first hand drastically affects the confidence of women through typical beauty standards in society.
To equate that with the torture, suffering and death of billions of animals every year which also wastes food resource so humans also literally starve to death is a desperate and disingenuous angle. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:36 - Mar 29 with 1730 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:47 - Mar 29 by lowhouseblue |
it's an assault, and responding to a joke isn't any defence at all. if it happened in the real world you'd stand a chance of ending up in court. smith has celebrated toxic masculinity (you resolve disagreements by hitting people) and extreme privilege (you can commit an assault in front of millions and nothing happens, people even clap).
and it wasn't a case of someone insulting another person. it was a comedian comparing an event in which the current convention is to take the piss our of his extremely privileged attendees who are there to suck up as much publicity as they can. it wasn't some random guy looking to start an argument in a pub. |
It was an ableist slur with fairly low key sexist undertones.
I wouldn’t expect you to understand how the initial words were problematic though.
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:41 - Mar 29 with 1718 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:19 - Mar 29 by Vaughan8 |
The "slap" does look a bit staged. However the anger afterwards doesn't......! |
"the anger afterward's doesnt"
You do know they are actors. [Post edited 29 Mar 2022 11:44]
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:44 - Mar 29 with 1697 views | giant_stow |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:36 - Mar 29 by monytowbray |
It was an ableist slur with fairly low key sexist undertones.
I wouldn’t expect you to understand how the initial words were problematic though.
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Is calling some 'thick' an ableist slur? |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:48 - Mar 29 with 1676 views | Skip_Intro |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:34 - Mar 29 by monytowbray |
It was a p1ss slap for a sh1tty ableist insult to his wife. And a matter I’ve seen first hand drastically affects the confidence of women through typical beauty standards in society.
To equate that with the torture, suffering and death of billions of animals every year which also wastes food resource so humans also literally starve to death is a desperate and disingenuous angle. |
So violence against humans is ok if they offend/upset you or someone you know?
You calling people thick on here (as you do in the very post below your response to me) might affect someone's confidence - can they come and slap you too?
PS calling someone thick could also be construed as ableist... | | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:48 - Mar 29 with 1663 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:44 - Mar 29 by giant_stow |
Is calling some 'thick' an ableist slur? |
No, Lowhouse has a history of poor takes. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:52 - Mar 29 with 1640 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:48 - Mar 29 by Skip_Intro |
So violence against humans is ok if they offend/upset you or someone you know?
You calling people thick on here (as you do in the very post below your response to me) might affect someone's confidence - can they come and slap you too?
PS calling someone thick could also be construed as ableist... |
As I said in another thread, my Mother suffers awfully from the same condition as Smith’s wife. Make that remark to my Mother in front of me, I may have done the same in the moment.
Calling someone “thick” could be considered ableist depending on context. Calling someone thick for ignoring the initial comment, in context of their posting history and me getting fed up of them wouldn’t be. You may consider it mean or low brow, but he’s said similar to me in the past. [Post edited 29 Mar 2022 11:54]
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:55 - Mar 29 with 1623 views | lowhouseblue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:48 - Mar 29 by Skip_Intro |
So violence against humans is ok if they offend/upset you or someone you know?
You calling people thick on here (as you do in the very post below your response to me) might affect someone's confidence - can they come and slap you too?
PS calling someone thick could also be construed as ableist... |
this is the where people end up when they go down the route of forming a false equivalence between words and physical violence. they're not the same, he law doesn't seem them as the same, and offence is not in any way comparable to physical injury. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:56 - Mar 29 with 1633 views | Skip_Intro |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:52 - Mar 29 by monytowbray |
As I said in another thread, my Mother suffers awfully from the same condition as Smith’s wife. Make that remark to my Mother in front of me, I may have done the same in the moment.
Calling someone “thick” could be considered ableist depending on context. Calling someone thick for ignoring the initial comment, in context of their posting history and me getting fed up of them wouldn’t be. You may consider it mean or low brow, but he’s said similar to me in the past. [Post edited 29 Mar 2022 11:54]
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:58 - Mar 29 with 1620 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:55 - Mar 29 by lowhouseblue |
this is the where people end up when they go down the route of forming a false equivalence between words and physical violence. they're not the same, he law doesn't seem them as the same, and offence is not in any way comparable to physical injury. |
This coming from the guy who got cornered being a bigot over the weekend and ran off rather than own it.
Problem is you moan about “offence” but have no concept of what words mean. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:00 - Mar 29 with 1608 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:56 - Mar 29 by Skip_Intro |
so if he called your Mother thick in front of you you'd just let it go? |
Probably. I wouldn’t if you insulted her physical appearance in relation to her medical condition though.
Go into the disabled area in Portman Road on Saturday and start roasting the people in there on their conditions or appearance. See what the outcome is and how much sympathy you get from the wider support base in relation to that outcome.
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:05 - Mar 29 with 1591 views | MattinLondon |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:44 - Mar 29 by giant_stow |
Is calling some 'thick' an ableist slur? |
Calling people thick, in my opinion, is a form of bullying. In many cases it’s a lazy insult used to make people feel superior or to deflect attention away from their ability to articulate their thoughts into a concise argument. It’s also used as a tool to discourage others from questioning them.
I’m not criticising Callis on an individual basis as he’s not the only one to resort to the ‘stupid’ line of defence. But I did expect better from him. |  | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:09 - Mar 29 with 1573 views | footers |
You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And that's coming straight from the big man. So listen up. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:10 - Mar 29 with 1564 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:16 - Mar 29 by SitfcB |
There’s still a debate wether it was planned or not…
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I don't think still photographs can tell the full story.
And if it's staged, for what purpose? They've both ended up looking like dicks and Smith has had to issue an apology. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:10 - Mar 29 with 1557 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:05 - Mar 29 by MattinLondon |
Calling people thick, in my opinion, is a form of bullying. In many cases it’s a lazy insult used to make people feel superior or to deflect attention away from their ability to articulate their thoughts into a concise argument. It’s also used as a tool to discourage others from questioning them.
I’m not criticising Callis on an individual basis as he’s not the only one to resort to the ‘stupid’ line of defence. But I did expect better from him. |
Lowhouse ran off and blocked me this weekend when cornered with evidence and facts of bigotry.
Maybe “ignorant” would be more fitting and I’m reacting emotionally.
Someone who posts “wibble” every time they have been challenged and have no counter point certainly doesn’t scream of any level of enlightened intelligence though. [Post edited 29 Mar 2022 12:11]
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:11 - Mar 29 with 1545 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:58 - Mar 29 by davblue |
I'm not so sure, he isn't the box office draw he was 10 years ago.
This will hurt his career, not massively but I'm not sure he will get the exact opportunity's he would have got post Oscar without this incident but he will still be fine. |
The bloke picked up an Oscar 5 minutes later. Of course it's not going to hurt his career. If anything it'll boost it. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:13 - Mar 29 with 1529 views | monytowbray |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 12:11 - Mar 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The bloke picked up an Oscar 5 minutes later. Of course it's not going to hurt his career. If anything it'll boost it. |
If the current government can survive being a corrupt and inept bunch of lying sociopaths I’m sure Smith’s career will be fine and this incident will be largely history once the news cycle resets onto the next outrage.
Chris Brown and R Kelly still have careers and they are literal abusers. [Post edited 29 Mar 2022 12:17]
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