| Is violence ever acceptable 07:44 - Mar 29 with 7877 views | onceablue |
This will smith incident has caused massive discussion and how you should react if someone insults you or a family member
I was taught sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt me
I guess we live in such a violent society that this no longer applies
It appears now unless you go round thumping people at the earliest opportunity you are no longer a man
Going back to the Wild West dates eh
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:40 - Mar 29 with 1271 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:08 - Mar 29 by blueasfook |
He got in one little fight and his mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air" |
He left his fresh prints on Chris Rock’s face. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:42 - Mar 29 with 1281 views | textbackup |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:37 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
As self-defence from a real physical threat, yes. Otherwise, no.
I can understand the red mist taking over but it’s still wrong.
On a related note, I think it’s massively outdated that parents can still smack their kids (not in Scotland and Wales, I believe). That needs to be stopped as it’s a pretty poor lesson for kids and the society that develops from that. |
on another related note, does anyone else put hot spoons from coffee/tea on peoples arms?
got the missus good early, actually come at me for it too, rage in her eyes, but fair is fair, she stuck one on my freshly wet shaved head yesterday |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:43 - Mar 29 with 1271 views | textbackup |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:40 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
He left his fresh prints on Chris Rock’s face. |
fresh prints from bel air | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:47 - Mar 29 with 1263 views | lowhouseblue |
it's an assault, and responding to a joke isn't any defence at all. if it happened in the real world you'd stand a chance of ending up in court. smith has celebrated toxic masculinity (you resolve disagreements by hitting people) and extreme privilege (you can commit an assault in front of millions and nothing happens, people even clap).
and it wasn't a case of someone insulting another person. it was a comedian comparing an event in which the current convention is to take the piss our of his extremely privileged attendees who are there to suck up as much publicity as they can. it wasn't some random guy looking to start an argument in a pub. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:52 - Mar 29 with 1221 views | blueasfook |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:16 - Mar 29 by textbackup |
hahahahah
the police could/will/have forcefully pinned people to the floor for being arseholes to them. so whilst they dont directly chuck a punch, they can apply pain in a way theyve been professional trained to do..... and they get away with it. |
A lot of them are quite keen with the old taser too! |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:53 - Mar 29 with 1219 views | usm |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:36 - Mar 29 by clive_baker |
Why is WS getting all the sh1t for it though? Chris Rock started it, he can't be surprised to get a slap when you shoot your mouth off like that. Why is physical abuse so much worse than the mental abuse that started the whole thing?
They're both wrong for me, 2 wrongs don't equal a right etc etc, but if you say things like that about someone you can't have too many complaints if you get socked for it. WS showed enough restraint to give him an open handed slap, he made his point without it being OTT. It's not like he dropped a headbutt to his nose. |
You seem to be saying that some physical violence is ok in certain circumstances. In an ideal world I wouldn't disagree with you but the world is far from ideal and the problem is who decides what level of violence is acceptable. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:58 - Mar 29 with 1207 views | davblue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:23 - Mar 29 by textbackup |
He's not Dapper Laughs, this is Will Smith, his career would have been perfectly safe |
I'm not so sure, he isn't the box office draw he was 10 years ago.
This will hurt his career, not massively but I'm not sure he will get the exact opportunity's he would have got post Oscar without this incident but he will still be fine. |  | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:04 - Mar 29 with 1194 views | Skip_Intro |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 08:42 - Mar 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I don't think there are too many on here, who if their wife had a medical condition, a condition that had caused her anxiety and depression and a bloke in a pub made a cheap joke at the expense of her and her condition, would not confront and probably lamp that bloke. |
If you can't 'defend your wife' from 'a cheap joke' in the pub without resorting to violence then I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself.
And that's without even questioning whether the assumption that women need men to 'stand up for them' is right or not... |  | | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:08 - Mar 29 with 1175 views | blueasfook |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:47 - Mar 29 by lowhouseblue |
it's an assault, and responding to a joke isn't any defence at all. if it happened in the real world you'd stand a chance of ending up in court. smith has celebrated toxic masculinity (you resolve disagreements by hitting people) and extreme privilege (you can commit an assault in front of millions and nothing happens, people even clap).
and it wasn't a case of someone insulting another person. it was a comedian comparing an event in which the current convention is to take the piss our of his extremely privileged attendees who are there to suck up as much publicity as they can. it wasn't some random guy looking to start an argument in a pub. |
So if Will Smith's were "toxic masculinity" as you say, how do you define Chris Rock's actions in making fun of a woman's medical issues?
Bit of banter? Good natured ribbing? There was no winners in that situation. Chris Rock's actions were just as toxic as Will Smith's response. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:08 - Mar 29 with 1183 views | jeera |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:53 - Mar 29 by usm |
You seem to be saying that some physical violence is ok in certain circumstances. In an ideal world I wouldn't disagree with you but the world is far from ideal and the problem is who decides what level of violence is acceptable. |
Who decides?
A judge, sometimes the police.
I used to do runs for probation, taking offenders to and fro for community service hours and evening courses etc.
One chap flattened a bloke in a restaurant for insulting his wife and the judge took that into consideration. He had to do 100 or so hours so hardly hard time.
I was witness to a young chap who gave someone a hiding for pestering him and his girlfriend. The copper didn't only just let him go that same night he even drove him home himself.
So yes of course the level of response has to be proportional to the provocation and a slap seems about right.
I suppose had Smith been wearing gloves he could have removed one and swiped each cheek with that instead. A bit camp but possibly appropriate for the event. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:09 - Mar 29 with 1175 views | jeera |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:58 - Mar 29 by davblue |
I'm not so sure, he isn't the box office draw he was 10 years ago.
This will hurt his career, not massively but I'm not sure he will get the exact opportunity's he would have got post Oscar without this incident but he will still be fine. |
They'll survive. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:15 - Mar 29 with 1155 views | bluelagos |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 08:30 - Mar 29 by Vic |
Thankfully he has since admitted that he was wrong and apologised. Violence, though understandable sometimes, is not the answer, whatever the provocation. Despite giving an outlet to often justifiable anger it rarely if ever ends up achieving much long term.
I’m not referring to violence in self defence which is a different thing. I suspect that Smith could have delivered an even more stinging, devastating take down with words in his acceptance speech had be have thought about it, with no of the unwanted after effects.
His actions are in my opinion understandable, but not right. |
This. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:16 - Mar 29 with 1159 views | SitfcB |
There’s still a debate wether it was planned or not…
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:19 - Mar 29 with 1147 views | Vaughan8 |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:16 - Mar 29 by SitfcB |
There’s still a debate wether it was planned or not…
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The "slap" does look a bit staged. However the anger afterwards doesn't......! | | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:20 - Mar 29 with 1144 views | giant_stow |
I think this may be a female / male thing.
I was thinking that although violence is wrong, Rock did kind of have it coming, whereas mrs ullaa and my mum thought Smith behaved very badly and should even have his Oscar taken off him. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:21 - Mar 29 with 1138 views | Vaughan8 |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 08:42 - Mar 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I don't think there are too many on here, who if their wife had a medical condition, a condition that had caused her anxiety and depression and a bloke in a pub made a cheap joke at the expense of her and her condition, would not confront and probably lamp that bloke. |
Slightly different though isn't it? DOn't these award things always get a "comedian" to make "jokes". I've seen Ricky Gervais say worse at those other award things.
Also in apub you can just walk away. The awards is a bit different. Also why would you have to resort to violence?
Sometimes you just have to accept people are d!cks and ignore them. | | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:46 - Mar 29 with 1098 views | mikeybloo88 |
If Mrs. Smith had walked on stage and slapped Rock, would we be even having this conversation? |  | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:51 - Mar 29 with 1092 views | lowhouseblue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:08 - Mar 29 by blueasfook |
So if Will Smith's were "toxic masculinity" as you say, how do you define Chris Rock's actions in making fun of a woman's medical issues?
Bit of banter? Good natured ribbing? There was no winners in that situation. Chris Rock's actions were just as toxic as Will Smith's response. |
he was telling jokes. and doing so in a context where the current convention is to roast his audience. it's a joke, told by a comedian on stage, put there by the organisers with the instruction to rib the extremely rich and privileged guests, who have turned up knowing it will happen and wanting to get all the attention they can get in order to make themselves still richer and more privileged. it's not a someone randomly throwing insults about at passers by. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:51 - Mar 29 with 1089 views | Illinoisblue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:16 - Mar 29 by SitfcB |
There’s still a debate wether it was planned or not…
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If he was genuinely that angry, you punch and not slap. Something doesn’t smell right. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:51 - Mar 29 with 1087 views | davblue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:09 - Mar 29 by jeera |
They'll survive. |
yes, im sure they may have to drop caviar for breakfast and just have it on their toast at lunchtime! | | | |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:01 - Mar 29 with 1069 views | blueasfook |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 10:51 - Mar 29 by lowhouseblue |
he was telling jokes. and doing so in a context where the current convention is to roast his audience. it's a joke, told by a comedian on stage, put there by the organisers with the instruction to rib the extremely rich and privileged guests, who have turned up knowing it will happen and wanting to get all the attention they can get in order to make themselves still richer and more privileged. it's not a someone randomly throwing insults about at passers by. |
Is an awards ceremony really the right place to receive a roasting? Maybe the awards bodies need to review this recent trend. Fair enough if you're going to see a comedian who is known for picking on audience members then simply dont go if you're likely to get offended.
Also, Jada was there in support of her husband. Was she even a valid target? | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:05 - Mar 29 with 1060 views | hype313 |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:43 - Mar 29 by textbackup |
fresh prints from bel air |
The Pursuit of Slappyness. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:07 - Mar 29 with 1058 views | lowhouseblue |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:01 - Mar 29 by blueasfook |
Is an awards ceremony really the right place to receive a roasting? Maybe the awards bodies need to review this recent trend. Fair enough if you're going to see a comedian who is known for picking on audience members then simply dont go if you're likely to get offended.
Also, Jada was there in support of her husband. Was she even a valid target? |
it's a difficult one for the oscar organisers - either you give it a bit of edge or it becomes a saccharin and vomit inducing suck up to lovies. i guess they gone done the current route to avoid too much audience losing toadying to the rich and famous.
she's an actress in a film with a nomination so she would have been there in her own right. | |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:08 - Mar 29 with 1051 views | monytowbray |
Violence in society has existed since I was born. I took bigger whacks at school.
People acting like Smith slapping someone on TV is the first violent act to ever happen in human history and the floodgates will open. |  |
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| Is violence ever acceptable on 11:09 - Mar 29 with 1048 views | clive_baker |
| Is violence ever acceptable on 09:53 - Mar 29 by usm |
You seem to be saying that some physical violence is ok in certain circumstances. In an ideal world I wouldn't disagree with you but the world is far from ideal and the problem is who decides what level of violence is acceptable. |
I said it's wrong, and that 2 wrongs don't make a right. WS's reaction is wrong, I'm not defending it. All I'm saying is i'm not surprised by it, and it's hard to have any sympathy with someone making a living off such material.
I do find it interesting how societies Kangaroo court has seemingly ranked a slap as worse than public ridiculing a woman for a disability that has caused her depression. |  |
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