| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:14 - May 3 with 1695 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:11 - May 3 by BiGDonnie |
Yes the game differs massively. Not surprising you didn't know that.
So a father/son rivalry of Blue vs yellow is developing. Nice. |
Oh I see so you've got more goals and wins from your visits than online games have shown. Interesting. Are you top 6 in your stadium view as online viewing has us 11th based on results. Wonder which one the league goes by. |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:14 - May 3 with 1712 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:04 - May 3 by pointofblue |
After we drew against Sunderland (McGreal’s last match in charge) we were ten points off the play offs. Had we made it to 75 points we would have been eight points off the play offs, so closer. |
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying!
My underlying point still stands to some extent though, which was that in the 2nd half of the season the top 6 were performing well above the average for previous seasons and for us to even maintain position we would have had to do the same (which was possible given we did have a poorer run of results near the end than might have been expected - thanks to late equalisers and one-off worldies), but even so, given this was McKenna's first 23 games in senior management, I think he did very well.. |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:19 - May 3 with 1683 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:14 - May 3 by Ewan_Oozami |
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying!
My underlying point still stands to some extent though, which was that in the 2nd half of the season the top 6 were performing well above the average for previous seasons and for us to even maintain position we would have had to do the same (which was possible given we did have a poorer run of results near the end than might have been expected - thanks to late equalisers and one-off worldies), but even so, given this was McKenna's first 23 games in senior management, I think he did very well.. |
The PPG KM needed to reach the playoffs equates to a 108 point season. |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:21 - May 3 with 1659 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:19 - May 3 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
The PPG KM needed to reach the playoffs equates to a 108 point season. |
And had he achieved such a thing then they'd probably be clubs looking at him, but he didn't. So he's still just a manager who's had 23 games in league 1 so far.
Lots more chapters in his book to go before he gets noticed imo | |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:23 - May 3 with 1663 views | ArnieM |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 22:55 - May 2 by Dubtractor |
Given Watford's tendency to sack managers every 3 or 4 months that job won't appeal at all to someone like Mckenna I wouldn't think. |
McCarthy would be a perfect match 👠|  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:25 - May 3 with 1657 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:14 - May 3 by Ewan_Oozami |
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying!
My underlying point still stands to some extent though, which was that in the 2nd half of the season the top 6 were performing well above the average for previous seasons and for us to even maintain position we would have had to do the same (which was possible given we did have a poorer run of results near the end than might have been expected - thanks to late equalisers and one-off worldies), but even so, given this was McKenna's first 23 games in senior management, I think he did very well.. |
Yes, McKenna definitely did well but the trail off was disappointing and certain failings (lack of goals until final day and struggles at both ends with set pieces) were never addressed. Perhaps it is down to personnel so this summer will be an interesting one.
I think it feels like anyone who points out his time here so far hasn’t been an unmitigated success is shouted down. As I’ve said before, if McKenna had exactly the same record but in reverse (start with one win in eight then building momentum) then it’d look much better, like we were developing something.
It’s a fresh start now and we’ll see what the next three months bring. I’m looking forward to it. McKenna did well in his first five months in charge but he and the club have a long way to go. |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:28 - May 3 with 1642 views | BiGDonnie |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:14 - May 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Oh I see so you've got more goals and wins from your visits than online games have shown. Interesting. Are you top 6 in your stadium view as online viewing has us 11th based on results. Wonder which one the league goes by. |
That doesn't make sense, even taking into account that you're the one who wrote it. |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:35 - May 3 with 1587 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:28 - May 3 by BiGDonnie |
That doesn't make sense, even taking into account that you're the one who wrote it. |
Well it does. My post was about overall achievements which is based on results.
You said I can't comment because I don't go to the stadium.
You then stated things are different between stadium view and online viewing. Now based on me talking only about results, what differences are there between your stadium view and online viewing? We both watched the same game so surely the results are the same no?
If you're confused it's because you've jumped in without a thought, thrown in the comment about not going to the games as if it made a difference to the results. | |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:36 - May 3 with 1600 views | tractorboy1978 |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 08:24 - May 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst true, it's Not hard to achieve after the first 6 weeks of the season without Walton, Morsy etc and having a settled squad at your disposal compared to the previous manager.
It was the minimum requirement really. |
Conceding 12 goals in 23 games is hard to achieve. People seem to just gloss over that. It might not have yielded quite the results we've wanted since McKenna has been in (despite being 5th in the form table since he arrived) but we have such a solid base to build on now. It is pretty fundamentally clear with a couple of attacking tweaks, we are going to be seriously dangerous next season. | | | |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:43 - May 3 with 1568 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:36 - May 3 by tractorboy1978 |
Conceding 12 goals in 23 games is hard to achieve. People seem to just gloss over that. It might not have yielded quite the results we've wanted since McKenna has been in (despite being 5th in the form table since he arrived) but we have such a solid base to build on now. It is pretty fundamentally clear with a couple of attacking tweaks, we are going to be seriously dangerous next season. |
Whilst I agree it's a great figure. Let's not forget the baron run PC had last year or even Lambert achieved. What would have made it better than those is if we achieved goals up the other end.. there's no point doing 1 without the other. It's still in itself a nice stat to have Tho.
Everyone is excited about next season. Everyone agrees there are changes needed. But it's fair for both sets of KM supporters to see things differently. For you it's 5th in form overall. For me is 9th in form over the past 15 games and a sign there's much more needed than first thought. | |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:46 - May 3 with 1580 views | itfcjoe |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:04 - May 3 by pointofblue |
After we drew against Sunderland (McGreal’s last match in charge) we were ten points off the play offs. Had we made it to 75 points we would have been eight points off the play offs, so closer. |
After we let in the late goal at Oxford, had we won our final 7 games we'd have still fallen short of the top 6 |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:51 - May 3 with 1553 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:46 - May 3 by itfcjoe |
After we let in the late goal at Oxford, had we won our final 7 games we'd have still fallen short of the top 6 |
We did have games available to win before that tho Joe. | |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:51 - May 3 with 1561 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:46 - May 3 by itfcjoe |
After we let in the late goal at Oxford, had we won our final 7 games we'd have still fallen short of the top 6 |
It’s not about making the top six as those teams continued ridiculous form, it’s about the momentum, picking up wins regardless. | |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:55 - May 3 with 1556 views | Trequartista |
Hope he goes to Watford. They will sack him in 6 weeks and he can come back here just in time for pre-season with extra compensation to spend on players. |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:00 - May 3 with 1538 views | STYG |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 10:46 - May 3 by itfcjoe |
After we let in the late goal at Oxford, had we won our final 7 games we'd have still fallen short of the top 6 |
This seems to be lost on so many people.
At one point McKenna had to average a 104 point season and that was based on some of the teams above slowing down. In the end the playoff sides got even better on PPG, so assume it ended up being something like 108 points?
Which means that McKenna would have had to have come in and immediately turned us into basically the best League One side there has ever been from the off, just to get us into the lottery of the playoffs! | | | |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:05 - May 3 with 1524 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:00 - May 3 by STYG |
This seems to be lost on so many people.
At one point McKenna had to average a 104 point season and that was based on some of the teams above slowing down. In the end the playoff sides got even better on PPG, so assume it ended up being something like 108 points?
Which means that McKenna would have had to have come in and immediately turned us into basically the best League One side there has ever been from the off, just to get us into the lottery of the playoffs! |
But most people, if not all, accept the play offs were out of reach? | |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:11 - May 3 with 1503 views | STYG |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:05 - May 3 by pointofblue |
But most people, if not all, accept the play offs were out of reach? |
I have seen a lot of people make a massive deal of going 5 games without a win, when they were effectively dead rubbers, we had no strikers in-form and two of the matches we drew were as a result of Walton only being beaten by worldies. | | | |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:28 - May 3 with 1483 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:11 - May 3 by STYG |
I have seen a lot of people make a massive deal of going 5 games without a win, when they were effectively dead rubbers, we had no strikers in-form and two of the matches we drew were as a result of Walton only being beaten by worldies. |
Cambridge was a dead rubber to them yet they probably put in their performance of the season. Crewe fought to the end of their dead rubber and claimed a point. I’m not sure if Shrewsbury were safe by the point we played them or not. I just don’t like the dead rubber argument, especially when, at the time, it felt like so much rode on the aforementioned Cambridge game. | |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:50 - May 3 with 1437 views | Churchman |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:05 - May 3 by pointofblue |
But most people, if not all, accept the play offs were out of reach? |
I did. The state we were in when McK arrived meant I was looking more to the bottom of the table than the top. We had some decent players but not much of a team. The odd really good game and plenty of thrown away points.
The split between the top and bottom half of the table is very unusual and accounts for why so many points were needed to make the play offs. I doubt that’ll be the case next year, though I hope we are chasing 1st, not 6th.
McK has done well. We can see what he is trying to do (as could the Charlton supporters at the last game) and can see where the gaps are, not least goal scorers. With Cook it was a case of get him a coffee before he blows up the players again. All a bit shambolic.
KM won’t leave for Watford. There’s nothing in it for him, bar more money and he doesn’t strike me as the mercenary type. If he does go, well that’s his prerogative and it would tell me he was the wrong person for the job anyway. Nobody is indispensable - that’s partly the reason why putting structure into the club is so important. |  | | |
| Eustace 1/4 favourite. (n/t) on 11:52 - May 3 with 1431 views | Bloots |
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| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| Eustace 1/4 favourite. (n/t) on 11:54 - May 3 with 1428 views | Keno |
| Eustace 1/4 favourite. (n/t) on 11:52 - May 3 by Bloots |
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Does that mean we can scrubb McK off the list
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:57 - May 3 with 1413 views | Ryorry |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 08:47 - May 3 by Hipsterectomy |
With how betting markets work I wonder how he is so high. Usually you get the former player or out of work big name manager. I doubt Watford fans follow or care about Ipswich Town enough to see how well McKenna has done in League 1 to then chuck a load of money at it. |
"I wonder how he is so high."
A Watford fan & a dozen mates got beered up one night & threw a drunken tenner each on a mad speculation at big odds (or maybe some of them have traded on a football bet or two before, then laid the bet off for a fiver profit each at low odds when some fellow idiots saw the sudden influx of £130 result in the bet target soar to 'fav' status, so chucked a few quid at it too.).
The bet in question isn't even a market on the main exchange (Betfair), nor on a popular bookie's (WH), so without spending time I haven't got on checking further, I suspect is probably only a thing with one bookie, which adds weight to what I said above.
One night about 15 years ago I stuck a fun fiver on a speculation that the Queen would abdicate that year, long odds at Will Hills. A group of about 4 racing forum buddies picked up on it & placed the same bet. A few more from elsewhere also then jumped in & the odds crashed. Next morning, I was shocked to hear it announced on BBC radio news (either 4 or 5 live, can't recall) that "rumours stemming from betting activity that the Queen is about to abdicate are completely unfounded". True story. |  |
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 12:04 - May 3 with 1394 views | Keno |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 11:57 - May 3 by Ryorry |
"I wonder how he is so high."
A Watford fan & a dozen mates got beered up one night & threw a drunken tenner each on a mad speculation at big odds (or maybe some of them have traded on a football bet or two before, then laid the bet off for a fiver profit each at low odds when some fellow idiots saw the sudden influx of £130 result in the bet target soar to 'fav' status, so chucked a few quid at it too.).
The bet in question isn't even a market on the main exchange (Betfair), nor on a popular bookie's (WH), so without spending time I haven't got on checking further, I suspect is probably only a thing with one bookie, which adds weight to what I said above.
One night about 15 years ago I stuck a fun fiver on a speculation that the Queen would abdicate that year, long odds at Will Hills. A group of about 4 racing forum buddies picked up on it & placed the same bet. A few more from elsewhere also then jumped in & the odds crashed. Next morning, I was shocked to hear it announced on BBC radio news (either 4 or 5 live, can't recall) that "rumours stemming from betting activity that the Queen is about to abdicate are completely unfounded". True story. |
This doesnt dispel any of my thoughts that you are in fac a member od royal family
My money is on Princess Anne [Post edited 3 May 2022 12:18]
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| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 12:07 - May 3 with 1385 views | itfcsuth |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 08:10 - May 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Removing blue tinted glasses for a second and looking at it from a potential other club viewing.
KM is a manager who took on a club and finished further from the play offs from when he took over, scored less goals and struggled to beat some sids at the bottom, he's won 1 game in 8.
Ignoring how people feel about the improvements they see between PC and him and why as a fanbase we go into next season with positive thoughts, result wise, it's not been 'that' superb imo for clubs higher to make him a top priority signing. |
You could also say he has developed us with the clearest identity we have had as a club in many of years, as a squad each man knows their role impeccably, we look one of the best coached sides we have seen in a long time.
You could also say he has helped well individual development of players, such as Woolfenden, change of role for Morsy.
You could also say that in KM 23 games we collected 41 points (82 over a full season, where as the first 23 games we collected just 29 points.
You could also say under the first 23 games we obtained just 4 clean sheets, whereas the next 23 games under KM we kept 13 clean sheets.
Of course it depends which way you want to write the narrative - I am personally very happy with KM, I think he's a terrific appointment and the evidence on the pitch, in the infrastructure and PPG would support we are heading in the right direction, with the future looking bright. |  | | |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 12:16 - May 3 with 1365 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna Fav for Watford Job on 12:07 - May 3 by itfcsuth |
You could also say he has developed us with the clearest identity we have had as a club in many of years, as a squad each man knows their role impeccably, we look one of the best coached sides we have seen in a long time.
You could also say he has helped well individual development of players, such as Woolfenden, change of role for Morsy.
You could also say that in KM 23 games we collected 41 points (82 over a full season, where as the first 23 games we collected just 29 points.
You could also say under the first 23 games we obtained just 4 clean sheets, whereas the next 23 games under KM we kept 13 clean sheets.
Of course it depends which way you want to write the narrative - I am personally very happy with KM, I think he's a terrific appointment and the evidence on the pitch, in the infrastructure and PPG would support we are heading in the right direction, with the future looking bright. |
Indeed but bringing up the first 23 games when it comes to cleansheets yet not mentioning who we had in goal for a host of them and our goal scoring record was better too.
It's not about a narrative really, not with this subject. It's how KM would come across if not looking in as a town fan. The identity business, for example is how we see it doesn't mean squat to others.
They also wouldn't look at what it would be over a season as footballs not that simple. We don't know what he's like in a transfer window with his own signings yet.. etc | |
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