| Labour need a new leader 06:14 - May 6 with 14333 views | gtsb1966 |
and fast. Yesterday's results are proving that. He just doesn't resonate with the electorate unfortunately. The only way to get this rabble out is for a new labour leader. I just hope it happens because if it doesn't this excuse of government will get another five years. |  | | |  |
| Labour need a new leader on 01:04 - May 7 with 1357 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 23:20 - May 6 by wkj |
Although that was almost three years ago, and I can't remember my thought process vividly from that post - If I were to make an educated guess - my enjoyment of that comment was the decision the poster made to clarify exactly what he meant, rather than inviting a series of jokey replies assuming a darker meaning - so in a sense it backs up my dislike for people leaving things like that open to jokes.
Enjoy your sleep, and may your dreams provide you with lots of clarity in the morrow. |
My thoughts are perfectly clear thank you.
I make a joke at the expense of those who compare Johnson, Rees Mogg and other Tories as Nazis. You display faux outrage and accuse me of "using a childish and borderline offensive statement that uses an evil political group responsible for millions of deaths to make a bit of a joke“
Another poster makes a joke about the segregation, transportation and extermination of 6 million human beings you you call it “comment of the day”.
Look you went late into a heavy challenge and came of worse, before being stretchered off. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 01:11 - May 7 with 1370 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 00:57 - May 7 by XYZ |
Ah. You don't even occasionally think about tractors? |
I think I'm a bit long in the tooth for all of that dirty torque |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 01:14 - May 7 with 1365 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 01:04 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
My thoughts are perfectly clear thank you.
I make a joke at the expense of those who compare Johnson, Rees Mogg and other Tories as Nazis. You display faux outrage and accuse me of "using a childish and borderline offensive statement that uses an evil political group responsible for millions of deaths to make a bit of a joke“
Another poster makes a joke about the segregation, transportation and extermination of 6 million human beings you you call it “comment of the day”.
Look you went late into a heavy challenge and came of worse, before being stretchered off. |
As I've said to you - it was appreciation at the fact I had perceived ronnyD was shutting down the potential for jokes with a bit of a sarcastic eyeroll at the comment the OP had made.
So, no - I am not a hypocrite, sorry.
But enough about me, back on to the issues - no sense in clutching at the low hanging fruit to twist this into a personality conflict. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 06:59 - May 7 with 1268 views | GlasgowBlue |
Hmmm. Interesting to see that two of the people who are fabricating a story that I joined in with blueas allegedly joking about sex trafficking Ukrainian girls (never saw the thread, didn’t join the thread and despite asking for evidence they are unable to provide any) are the same two who described watching Amber Heard’s hours of harrowing testimony about sexual, physical and mental abuse as “entertaining”.
I suppose these people get there kicks where they can, but what a pair of hypocrites. [Post edited 7 May 2022 7:35]
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| Labour need a new leader on 07:47 - May 7 with 1254 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:16 - May 6 by footers |
Dolly thought 'boris' would make a good PM, to be fair. That was after he was a self-described 'Corbynista' and now he's backing Starmer all the way.
I'm not sure his political judgement is entirely reliable. |
No I said he MIGHT... IF he got a good team around him (because when Lady Dollers has worked with him as mayor he did well when supported by a good team (he was pretty lazy himself)). In other words if he didn't get in the way of the people doing the actual work.
I never described myself as a Corbynista. I just supported his aims. I generally support Labour.
It's not difficult if you've go half a brain in your nut. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Labour need a new leader on 08:10 - May 7 with 1227 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:58 - May 6 by jeera |
But the whole country wasn't voting and that is speculation.
I was of course referring to his motivation.
We all want the same thing so I don't really understand the division to be honest. |
It's not speculation, it's calculation. You can't claim "yeah but the whole country's not voting" as an argument... when extrapolated across the whole country means Labour would still win. I'm not sure his motivation is relevant, his argument was wrong. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 08:34 - May 7 with 1210 views | fab_lover |
My thoughts, for what they are worth...
The UK, (loosely !) positioned between mainland Europe and the US of A, always seems to look left rather than right when it decides what to do. Why we do that is beyond me, but it's what we do.
So, just as the USA flips between two parties, so we do the same. The UK and the USA use first past the post voting methods, unlike Europe. This works for both parties, as they know at some point, the electorate get bored of party a and will put party b in power. However it disenfranchises many of the electorate and makes their votes worthless. It also leads to this pointless "gladiatorial" style of politics exemplified in the nonsense that is PMQs.
Europe has grown up democratically and far outstripped us. PR gives rise to consensus politics which are less extreme. The cult of the personality is therefore less of an issue.
Until we as a country look right rather than left (geographically speaking !) for our solutions to our problems, we are destined to become a tribute act to what is possibly one of the worst countries in the "developed" world.
Whoever is leader of Labour or Conservative, it doesn't matter. Eventually the wheel turns, people get bored of the party in power and the others are voted in. It's a system which is archaic and not fit for purpose, but we have the gall to consider ourselves the birthplace of parliamentary democracy whilst sticking to an electoral and parliamentary system that is hopelessly out of date. |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 09:09 - May 7 with 1156 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 08:34 - May 7 by fab_lover |
My thoughts, for what they are worth...
The UK, (loosely !) positioned between mainland Europe and the US of A, always seems to look left rather than right when it decides what to do. Why we do that is beyond me, but it's what we do.
So, just as the USA flips between two parties, so we do the same. The UK and the USA use first past the post voting methods, unlike Europe. This works for both parties, as they know at some point, the electorate get bored of party a and will put party b in power. However it disenfranchises many of the electorate and makes their votes worthless. It also leads to this pointless "gladiatorial" style of politics exemplified in the nonsense that is PMQs.
Europe has grown up democratically and far outstripped us. PR gives rise to consensus politics which are less extreme. The cult of the personality is therefore less of an issue.
Until we as a country look right rather than left (geographically speaking !) for our solutions to our problems, we are destined to become a tribute act to what is possibly one of the worst countries in the "developed" world.
Whoever is leader of Labour or Conservative, it doesn't matter. Eventually the wheel turns, people get bored of the party in power and the others are voted in. It's a system which is archaic and not fit for purpose, but we have the gall to consider ourselves the birthplace of parliamentary democracy whilst sticking to an electoral and parliamentary system that is hopelessly out of date. |
Agree entirely. Great post.
It also seems in any other field, people look overseas for inspiration and better ways of doing things. Politics and politicians seem weirdly untroubled by that need to develop and be better – for the system itself but even policies that work overseas.
Quite bizarre how we want to keep living in an inferior past for democracy and national government that should be some of the most important things in the country. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 10:52 - May 7 with 1089 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 08:34 - May 7 by fab_lover |
My thoughts, for what they are worth...
The UK, (loosely !) positioned between mainland Europe and the US of A, always seems to look left rather than right when it decides what to do. Why we do that is beyond me, but it's what we do.
So, just as the USA flips between two parties, so we do the same. The UK and the USA use first past the post voting methods, unlike Europe. This works for both parties, as they know at some point, the electorate get bored of party a and will put party b in power. However it disenfranchises many of the electorate and makes their votes worthless. It also leads to this pointless "gladiatorial" style of politics exemplified in the nonsense that is PMQs.
Europe has grown up democratically and far outstripped us. PR gives rise to consensus politics which are less extreme. The cult of the personality is therefore less of an issue.
Until we as a country look right rather than left (geographically speaking !) for our solutions to our problems, we are destined to become a tribute act to what is possibly one of the worst countries in the "developed" world.
Whoever is leader of Labour or Conservative, it doesn't matter. Eventually the wheel turns, people get bored of the party in power and the others are voted in. It's a system which is archaic and not fit for purpose, but we have the gall to consider ourselves the birthplace of parliamentary democracy whilst sticking to an electoral and parliamentary system that is hopelessly out of date. |
It normally doesn't matter too much who the leader is, but I've a feeling we've crossed into new territory with this particular brand of the Tories and Johnson in particular. Although ironically by riding roughshod over convention, maybe he'll be the catalyst for greater reforms. We can but hope. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:06 - May 7 with 1075 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:22 - May 6 by Darth_Koont |
Lowers loves the game of politics. Red team vs. Blue team.
Actual policies and making a difference in people’s lives ruins all that. Ultimately that love of the game – and animosity towards anyone who hates it – is why him and GB are bosom buddies.
Total dangers. |
so i get repeatedly called a tory because i pointed out what a disaster corbyn was, and i'm the one who's accused of thinking it's red team v. blue team? and i'm attacked as a centrist and for not parroting every anti-tory confection loud enough, and again i'm the one who apparently thinks it's red team v. blue team? please settle on on line of insult and don't muddle up two which contradict themselves. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:07 - May 7 with 1072 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:06 - May 7 by lowhouseblue |
so i get repeatedly called a tory because i pointed out what a disaster corbyn was, and i'm the one who's accused of thinking it's red team v. blue team? and i'm attacked as a centrist and for not parroting every anti-tory confection loud enough, and again i'm the one who apparently thinks it's red team v. blue team? please settle on on line of insult and don't muddle up two which contradict themselves. |
I certainly have not called you a Tory, but I have said you conveyed yourself like one - big difference | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:09 - May 7 with 1061 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:07 - May 7 by wkj |
I certainly have not called you a Tory, but I have said you conveyed yourself like one - big difference |
no it's not a big difference. it may sound clever but it isn't. i was replying to dk in any case. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:11 - May 7 with 1049 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:06 - May 7 by lowhouseblue |
so i get repeatedly called a tory because i pointed out what a disaster corbyn was, and i'm the one who's accused of thinking it's red team v. blue team? and i'm attacked as a centrist and for not parroting every anti-tory confection loud enough, and again i'm the one who apparently thinks it's red team v. blue team? please settle on on line of insult and don't muddle up two which contradict themselves. |
Eh?
You’re centre-right which covers the Labour right and the soft Tories.
Stop cosplaying as “Genuine Labour”. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:15 - May 7 with 1035 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:11 - May 7 by Darth_Koont |
Eh?
You’re centre-right which covers the Labour right and the soft Tories.
Stop cosplaying as “Genuine Labour”. |
what would you possibly know about genuine labour? what a pompous prig you are trying to police other people's politics. i mean really. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:15 - May 7 with 1035 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:09 - May 7 by lowhouseblue |
no it's not a big difference. it may sound clever but it isn't. i was replying to dk in any case. |
Well, I appreciate that - but it is a big difference, and let me explain why. As Swanners mentioned - a lot of the time your posts were very parallel to the 'official line' put out by the little blue tree people.
When our choices of opinion get limited to a binary choice that is provided by the clever media wranglers at a political party - the lines get very murky as we become embroiled in tagline politics.
This is very relevant to your comment about being center is being right/left (paraphrased - delete as applicable) | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:20 - May 7 with 1016 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:15 - May 7 by lowhouseblue |
what would you possibly know about genuine labour? what a pompous prig you are trying to police other people's politics. i mean really. |
Calm down.
All I’m saying is that you are everything wrong with our politics. 😀 | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:54 - May 7 with 981 views | XYZ |
| Labour need a new leader on 06:59 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Hmmm. Interesting to see that two of the people who are fabricating a story that I joined in with blueas allegedly joking about sex trafficking Ukrainian girls (never saw the thread, didn’t join the thread and despite asking for evidence they are unable to provide any) are the same two who described watching Amber Heard’s hours of harrowing testimony about sexual, physical and mental abuse as “entertaining”.
I suppose these people get there kicks where they can, but what a pair of hypocrites. [Post edited 7 May 2022 7:35]
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Lies and more lies.
1. I asked whether you were on the sex-trafficking thread. It wouldn't surprise me. You deny things you've written when they've been conveniently deleted.
2. I said the Depp/ Heard trial was entertaining at least a week before Heard gave evidence and haven't commented further since.
You're a liar. Plain and simple.
Edit: typo [Post edited 7 May 2022 11:55]
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| Labour need a new leader on 12:53 - May 7 with 912 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:54 - May 7 by XYZ |
Lies and more lies.
1. I asked whether you were on the sex-trafficking thread. It wouldn't surprise me. You deny things you've written when they've been conveniently deleted.
2. I said the Depp/ Heard trial was entertaining at least a week before Heard gave evidence and haven't commented further since.
You're a liar. Plain and simple.
Edit: typo [Post edited 7 May 2022 11:55]
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How odd. On 11 April you were [redacted's] witness for the prosecution that I had definitely joined the thread and joked with Blueas about sex-trafficking Ukrainian girls. You were adamant that I was and that you remembered it well.
Now you are only asking whether I was on the sex-trafficking thread and that It wouldn't surprise you.
When joining a pile on it' always best to maintain some consistency in your story. Otherwise you simply lack credibility and are shown up for being both a liar and a rank hypocrite. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 13:06 - May 7 with 905 views | XYZ |
| Labour need a new leader on 12:53 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
How odd. On 11 April you were [redacted's] witness for the prosecution that I had definitely joined the thread and joked with Blueas about sex-trafficking Ukrainian girls. You were adamant that I was and that you remembered it well.
Now you are only asking whether I was on the sex-trafficking thread and that It wouldn't surprise you.
When joining a pile on it' always best to maintain some consistency in your story. Otherwise you simply lack credibility and are shown up for being both a liar and a rank hypocrite. |
Well, I stand by that then. It'd be consistent with your misogyny after all.
"A pile on" - Mr Victim yet again. How utterly pathetic.
Unlike some, I don't memorise every comment I, or others, make on here. There's other things in life.
If I say I remember something it is because I do. You, on the other hand, have a long history of denying comments you made that were subsequently deleted. There's many posters on here that have witnessed that behavior. | | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 13:12 - May 7 with 889 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 13:06 - May 7 by XYZ |
Well, I stand by that then. It'd be consistent with your misogyny after all.
"A pile on" - Mr Victim yet again. How utterly pathetic.
Unlike some, I don't memorise every comment I, or others, make on here. There's other things in life.
If I say I remember something it is because I do. You, on the other hand, have a long history of denying comments you made that were subsequently deleted. There's many posters on here that have witnessed that behavior. |
Hang on. On the 11 April I was definitely on a thread about sex trafficking Ukranian girls. You remembered it well.
At 11.54 today you refuted my allegation that you had accused me of being on a thread about sex trafficking Ukranian girls. You were only asking if I was as it wouldn't surprise you.
At 13:06 today you stand by your original statement of the 11 April.
Confused? You will be. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 13:16 - May 7 with 889 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 13:12 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Hang on. On the 11 April I was definitely on a thread about sex trafficking Ukranian girls. You remembered it well.
At 11.54 today you refuted my allegation that you had accused me of being on a thread about sex trafficking Ukranian girls. You were only asking if I was as it wouldn't surprise you.
At 13:06 today you stand by your original statement of the 11 April.
Confused? You will be. |
1) You did post on that thread, which you know, but there is no evidence because Gav deleted it quite rightly. Of course you know he won't resurrect it so you're happy to double down.
2) I said that the Heard trial was about as entertaining as your friend's style of humour, ie not at all. So it's a scummy and disingenuous thing for you to accuse me of.
But that's not very surpising. Oh well. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 13:17 - May 7 with 882 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 07:47 - May 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No I said he MIGHT... IF he got a good team around him (because when Lady Dollers has worked with him as mayor he did well when supported by a good team (he was pretty lazy himself)). In other words if he didn't get in the way of the people doing the actual work.
I never described myself as a Corbynista. I just supported his aims. I generally support Labour.
It's not difficult if you've go half a brain in your nut. |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/462324/4371354 | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 13:26 - May 7 with 841 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 13:16 - May 7 by footers |
1) You did post on that thread, which you know, but there is no evidence because Gav deleted it quite rightly. Of course you know he won't resurrect it so you're happy to double down.
2) I said that the Heard trial was about as entertaining as your friend's style of humour, ie not at all. So it's a scummy and disingenuous thing for you to accuse me of.
But that's not very surpising. Oh well. |
You guys and your failing memories today. You didn't say its was "about as entertaining as your friend's style of humour, ie not at all." You said it was "more entertaining"
Blueas: Is this the age we live in now where a failed marriage discussed in public is considered "entertainment"? *shakes head and walks off*
Footers: It's more entertaining than any of your attempts at comedy.
I'll leave it there | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 13:30 - May 7 with 828 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 13:26 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You guys and your failing memories today. You didn't say its was "about as entertaining as your friend's style of humour, ie not at all." You said it was "more entertaining"
Blueas: Is this the age we live in now where a failed marriage discussed in public is considered "entertainment"? *shakes head and walks off*
Footers: It's more entertaining than any of your attempts at comedy.
I'll leave it there |
Oh no, semantics. My intention was plain.
I haven't seen, heard or read anything much about the whole shebang in truth because that sort of sleb public dirty laundry airing doesn't interest me one bit.
You're a liar.
But I'll leave it there. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 13:35 - May 7 with 809 views | XYZ |
| Labour need a new leader on 13:12 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Hang on. On the 11 April I was definitely on a thread about sex trafficking Ukranian girls. You remembered it well.
At 11.54 today you refuted my allegation that you had accused me of being on a thread about sex trafficking Ukranian girls. You were only asking if I was as it wouldn't surprise you.
At 13:06 today you stand by your original statement of the 11 April.
Confused? You will be. |
Yawn.
Apologies, I didn't recall my comment on 11 April that you were on the sex trafficking thread. Others have, of course, confirmed this.
As I didn't recall that, when it arose again on this thread, I asked for confirmation of the fact. Now that you've brought my earlier comment to my attention, it is apparent that you were on the sex trafficking thread.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't commit every interaction with you to memory. The sex trafficking one obviously stuck in my mind at the time for the depraved sickness on display. | | | |
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