| Labour need a new leader 06:14 - May 6 with 14337 views | gtsb1966 |
and fast. Yesterday's results are proving that. He just doesn't resonate with the electorate unfortunately. The only way to get this rabble out is for a new labour leader. I just hope it happens because if it doesn't this excuse of government will get another five years. |  | | |  |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:43 - May 6 with 1414 views | Coastalblue |
| Labour need a new leader on 15:26 - May 6 by Clapham_Junction |
Wait till the Tower Hamlets results come through...
I very grudgingly gave the woeful Labour mayor my second preference, but I fear Lutfur Rahman will be back... |
He's back, my council as well. They have campaigned very, very hard around here and were outside the polling station last night so sadly no huge surprise.
The Lib Dems also had a lot of presence here, the Tories seem to accept it's a lost cause anyway why Labour seem to think they can do the absolute bare minimum and still watch the votes roll in. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 21:50 - May 6 with 1401 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:43 - May 6 by Coastalblue |
He's back, my council as well. They have campaigned very, very hard around here and were outside the polling station last night so sadly no huge surprise.
The Lib Dems also had a lot of presence here, the Tories seem to accept it's a lost cause anyway why Labour seem to think they can do the absolute bare minimum and still watch the votes roll in. |
Outside as in still campaigning? That’s a bit naughty if so. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 21:56 - May 6 with 1390 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:38 - May 6 by Clapham_Junction |
In 2016 one of my local councillors was convicted of housing fraud and sent to prison (he got a council flat while already owning properties).
He is running in the local elections as an independent, and has been tacitly backed by Rahman's party, which has only put up two candidates in a three-seat ward.
How the hell anyone can vote for a man who falsely obtained council housing in a borough with a 20k waiting list is completely beyond me. How he even has the brass neck to stand is another question. |
Bonkers innit. The more I see of ‘democracy’, the more I think it’s a ridiculous idea, especially as it’s so easily gamed.
Shame the Queen wasn’t more ballsy and took control years ago, so we wouldn’t have had to put up with these various crooks, conmen, criminals and arseholes!  | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 21:58 - May 6 with 1383 views | jeera |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:29 - May 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not really bothered who he supports. He posted:
"I was trying to point out to you that the "overall stats" are not a true reflection of the whole UK"
And yet they are;
"The BBC calculates that based on these results, if the whole country had been voting - Labour would have 35% of the vote, Conservative 30%."
I can't really put it any clearer than that. |
But the whole country wasn't voting and that is speculation.
I was of course referring to his motivation.
We all want the same thing so I don't really understand the division to be honest. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:00 - May 6 with 1380 views | Coastalblue |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:50 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Outside as in still campaigning? That’s a bit naughty if so. |
There were people wearing rosettes and having conversations with strangers, I didn't speak to them so for all I know they were asking what time the chippy closes but as this is Luftur I suspect not. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:03 - May 6 with 1375 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:47 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Please stop playing the innocent in this exchange. Let’s rewind a minute fella.
You stated that Lowhouse’ posting had been very “pro Tory”
Ulla posted that Lowhouse was Labour “clear as day”
I replied to Ulla, not you, that I understood !owehouse to be “ has been a lifelong Labour activist and member. And his father before him. ”
You then went back to a thread from October of last year to suggest I had accused you of political point scoring over the murder of David Amesss. Very odd to do so.
I then replied that nobody had accused you of political point scoring over the murder. I linked the thread.
You then continued the spat with “ The inference of this reply is enough. Also, the lack of apology after I made it very clear I was not creating a "WTF" narative.”
You then had a pop at my comment to TDS.
Unless you have a logical explanation why my reasonable reply to Ulla should lead you to dragging up a post from October of last year and having several pops at me, then it’s pretty obvious you are stirring. Not sure what you got out of it though. [Post edited 6 May 2022 19:01]
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I am challenging something you said that I thought could be perceived as childish and borderline offensive. For each of those other points you made, I have clearly reached a conclusion on this thread. I have explained why I brought up a post from October, and why I thought it relevant. If you're unable to ascertain what I meant on any of those points please ask direct questions and I will answer. Unless you want to poorly interpret what I said again and bull in with a "WT actually F" because you've confused yourself :)
In my last post to you, I questioned you about your passive-aggressive comments and cryptic sounding links and I challenged you to directly say it in a more direct way.
Quite frankly, I am insulted you think I am trying to play innocent - I know exactly what I am doing and I am doing it deliberately - I am challenging you on using a childish and borderline offensive statement that uses an evil political group responsible for millions of deaths to make a bit of a joke - that is a deliberate action and nothing I am trying to hide behind.
One important thing I shall repeat is this. It's not worth taking this personally - as this is merely a challenge of what has been said, not who I perceive you to be. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:05 - May 6 with 1367 views | Ryorry |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:56 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Bonkers innit. The more I see of ‘democracy’, the more I think it’s a ridiculous idea, especially as it’s so easily gamed.
Shame the Queen wasn’t more ballsy and took control years ago, so we wouldn’t have had to put up with these various crooks, conmen, criminals and arseholes! |
I've been agonising over the principal of universal suffrage every week since 25/06/2016 - ie of course it's a noble theory to uphold, but part of me is screaming "basic intelligence tests need to be passed before ballot papers are handed out"! |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:08 - May 6 with 1362 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 14:00 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
This where Strmer has a problem.
The law stated at the time that “There should not be any sharing of food and drink by staff who do not share a household.”
Starmer and his staff shared two hundred quids worth of Indian takeaway in an office. And they were drinking beer. They also held an online quiz.
I don't have any issue with what Starmer and others did that night. It is nothing like the booze in a supermarket trolly party at number 10. Or the Abba night. Or any of the other blatant parties that were held in number 10.
Hooooooowever. Here is where KS has a problem. Sunak received a fine for arriving 5 minutes early for a meeting at an office where Johnson was given a birthday cake. Had Starmer kpt his sights on Johnson and his flagrant rule breaking, then if he is fined for the Durham gathering it would have been small beer (pardon the pun). But by calling for Sunak to resign over a technicality then his position is untenable if Durham police fine him. |
Hi position should be untenable if he’s proven to have broken the law and lied about it, but Sunak (and Johnson of course) has shown a precedent for ignoring moral conventions, so a bit of push back from Labour would be likely I’d have thought.
This is the problem when the top is corrupt and immoral. We’ll see and it’d be interesting to see what happens if it happens, although I’d be surprised if it goes that far as it does seem like a late meal in a campaign office, on campaign work and at a time when the rules were more relaxed. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:12 - May 6 with 1353 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour need a new leader on 22:08 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Hi position should be untenable if he’s proven to have broken the law and lied about it, but Sunak (and Johnson of course) has shown a precedent for ignoring moral conventions, so a bit of push back from Labour would be likely I’d have thought.
This is the problem when the top is corrupt and immoral. We’ll see and it’d be interesting to see what happens if it happens, although I’d be surprised if it goes that far as it does seem like a late meal in a campaign office, on campaign work and at a time when the rules were more relaxed. |
And meetings connected to political campaigning were literally exempt in the law. |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 22:14 - May 6 with 1348 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:43 - May 6 by Coastalblue |
He's back, my council as well. They have campaigned very, very hard around here and were outside the polling station last night so sadly no huge surprise.
The Lib Dems also had a lot of presence here, the Tories seem to accept it's a lost cause anyway why Labour seem to think they can do the absolute bare minimum and still watch the votes roll in. |
I was quite surprised by how poorly Rabina Khan did; I was expecting her to be a strong third. Similar for Andrew Wood who I had assumed would hoover up most of the Tory vote rather than the actual Tory candidate.
As I think you're saying, Labour have done a terrible job locally over the last few years and seemed to have lived off simply not being Rahman. The unpopularity of the Labour leadership in the Muslim community is also probably an important factor.
I had been considering trying to stand as a Labour candidate; I applied and made it through the interview stage but then got a new job shortly before the selection meeting that meant I couldn't do it. However, I had been quite nervous about the idea of canvassing as I wouldn't have been able to say anything positive about what Labour had done locally for the past few years... [Post edited 6 May 2022 22:17]
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:15 - May 6 with 1338 views | Ryorry |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:15 - May 6 by footers |
I don't think I've ever seen lowhouse say anything marginally leftist. Most of his time seems to be 'explaining, not defending' the Tories. Which is quite odd for a lifelong Labour member. |
I have fwiw (ie seen him say plenty that's "leftist"). Seems to be the case though that centre leftism is viewed as something not far short of abominable rightism by a few on here. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:17 - May 6 with 1330 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
If Durham police play their cards right then Labour might yet win the next election. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 22:20 - May 6 with 1319 views | jeera |
| Labour need a new leader on 22:08 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Hi position should be untenable if he’s proven to have broken the law and lied about it, but Sunak (and Johnson of course) has shown a precedent for ignoring moral conventions, so a bit of push back from Labour would be likely I’d have thought.
This is the problem when the top is corrupt and immoral. We’ll see and it’d be interesting to see what happens if it happens, although I’d be surprised if it goes that far as it does seem like a late meal in a campaign office, on campaign work and at a time when the rules were more relaxed. |
But the clear and obvious difference from what seems to be evident so far is between what may deemed to be a sloppy approach to Covid advice but in an otherwise accepted environment, versus another group, not only flouting rules, their own rules, but in an altogether different context.
Trying to conflate the two doesn't seem at all honest to me and is just another example of how low and childish politics has become. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 23:07 - May 6 with 1240 views | Seablu |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:12 - May 6 by footers |
You voted for Corbyn as leader as a 'joke' despite him being an apparent massive antisemite.
Funny how these things work, innit. |
His latest self-imposed exile from the forum, following another predictable round of utter bellendery, clearly wasn’t spent on a self-awareness course then…
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| Labour need a new leader on 23:07 - May 6 with 1242 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 22:20 - May 6 by jeera |
But the clear and obvious difference from what seems to be evident so far is between what may deemed to be a sloppy approach to Covid advice but in an otherwise accepted environment, versus another group, not only flouting rules, their own rules, but in an altogether different context.
Trying to conflate the two doesn't seem at all honest to me and is just another example of how low and childish politics has become. |
Fully agree with the last para. Based on who’s been trying to conflate the two so far, it doesn’t look honest at all. Desperate tribalism and attempts to deflect from illegal ongoings in Downing Street as those fines were cutting through to the voters. That’ll change I suppose if Starmer and colleagues are fined. I’ll be surprised if they are as you wouldn’t be in a campaign office miles from home, at 10 pm, leading up to an election, just for sh*ts and giggles. Been there, done that and it can easily be work. I suppose it all comes down to the interpretation of of the rules at the time. The Tories were blatantly breaking them. Let’s see what Durham police come up with (maybe Starmer could claim he was testing his eyesight!). | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 23:09 - May 6 with 1232 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 22:03 - May 6 by wkj |
I am challenging something you said that I thought could be perceived as childish and borderline offensive. For each of those other points you made, I have clearly reached a conclusion on this thread. I have explained why I brought up a post from October, and why I thought it relevant. If you're unable to ascertain what I meant on any of those points please ask direct questions and I will answer. Unless you want to poorly interpret what I said again and bull in with a "WT actually F" because you've confused yourself :)
In my last post to you, I questioned you about your passive-aggressive comments and cryptic sounding links and I challenged you to directly say it in a more direct way.
Quite frankly, I am insulted you think I am trying to play innocent - I know exactly what I am doing and I am doing it deliberately - I am challenging you on using a childish and borderline offensive statement that uses an evil political group responsible for millions of deaths to make a bit of a joke - that is a deliberate action and nothing I am trying to hide behind.
One important thing I shall repeat is this. It's not worth taking this personally - as this is merely a challenge of what has been said, not who I perceive you to be. |
“I am challenging you on using a childish and borderline offensive statement that uses an evil political group responsible for millions of deaths to make a bit of a joke“
Of course you would never join in threads that make jokes about Hitler, would you?
“ I found it amusing. The comment i mean, not what Hitler did of course”
WKJ: “comment of the day”.
What was the comment you enjoyed so much? Oh yeah, Swanners joke that Hitler was well known for segregation.
Absolute hypocrite.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/466956/4431687/
Night night. Sleep tight. [Post edited 6 May 2022 23:15]
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| Labour need a new leader on 23:20 - May 6 with 1222 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 23:09 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
“I am challenging you on using a childish and borderline offensive statement that uses an evil political group responsible for millions of deaths to make a bit of a joke“
Of course you would never join in threads that make jokes about Hitler, would you?
“ I found it amusing. The comment i mean, not what Hitler did of course”
WKJ: “comment of the day”.
What was the comment you enjoyed so much? Oh yeah, Swanners joke that Hitler was well known for segregation.
Absolute hypocrite.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/466956/4431687/
Night night. Sleep tight. [Post edited 6 May 2022 23:15]
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Although that was almost three years ago, and I can't remember my thought process vividly from that post - If I were to make an educated guess - my enjoyment of that comment was the decision the poster made to clarify exactly what he meant, rather than inviting a series of jokey replies assuming a darker meaning - so in a sense it backs up my dislike for people leaving things like that open to jokes.
Enjoy your sleep, and may your dreams provide you with lots of clarity in the morrow. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 23:29 - May 6 with 1193 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 23:09 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
“I am challenging you on using a childish and borderline offensive statement that uses an evil political group responsible for millions of deaths to make a bit of a joke“
Of course you would never join in threads that make jokes about Hitler, would you?
“ I found it amusing. The comment i mean, not what Hitler did of course”
WKJ: “comment of the day”.
What was the comment you enjoyed so much? Oh yeah, Swanners joke that Hitler was well known for segregation.
Absolute hypocrite.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/466956/4431687/
Night night. Sleep tight. [Post edited 6 May 2022 23:15]
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Met any barmaids with big tits recently, gibbers? Or any Ukrainian women who need housing?
This period of self-reflection really hasn't done you much good.
But I'll leave it there. [Post edited 6 May 2022 23:38]
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| Labour need a new leader on 00:23 - May 7 with 1123 views | XYZ |
| Labour need a new leader on 23:29 - May 6 by footers |
Met any barmaids with big tits recently, gibbers? Or any Ukrainian women who need housing?
This period of self-reflection really hasn't done you much good.
But I'll leave it there. [Post edited 6 May 2022 23:38]
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Is this thread still up? The Victim has history of getting inconvenient threads deleted.
I see the Victim is stalking wkj tonight with loose accusations .
Joking about sex-trafficking with the legendary bellend Blueas. That's his level.
Takes a break for blatant overstepping the mark - comes back worse. No self-awareness. |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 00:36 - May 7 with 1099 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 00:23 - May 7 by XYZ |
Is this thread still up? The Victim has history of getting inconvenient threads deleted.
I see the Victim is stalking wkj tonight with loose accusations .
Joking about sex-trafficking with the legendary bellend Blueas. That's his level.
Takes a break for blatant overstepping the mark - comes back worse. No self-awareness. |
I have taken quite some time away from the politics thread for some time because I needed to bring myself down to earth a little - plus it was getting a bit boring arguing the same people with the same views in slightly different ways - I enjoyed the period of self-reflection and I hope that I don't end coming back worse - or else that would be a horrible waste of time away from politicing. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 00:41 - May 7 with 1091 views | XYZ |
| Labour need a new leader on 00:36 - May 7 by wkj |
I have taken quite some time away from the politics thread for some time because I needed to bring myself down to earth a little - plus it was getting a bit boring arguing the same people with the same views in slightly different ways - I enjoyed the period of self-reflection and I hope that I don't end coming back worse - or else that would be a horrible waste of time away from politicing. |
I wasn't referring to you as being the "Victim" - I get accused of "stalking" when calling out a sex-trafficking joke-maker - uber-banterer or something.
You keep going. Distance yourself from Ukrainian sex-trafficker jokers, though. | | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 00:49 - May 7 with 1065 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 00:41 - May 7 by XYZ |
I wasn't referring to you as being the "Victim" - I get accused of "stalking" when calling out a sex-trafficking joke-maker - uber-banterer or something.
You keep going. Distance yourself from Ukrainian sex-trafficker jokers, though. |
I have managed to distance myself from all kinds of sex for a good 10 years now, so I like my odds of avoiding that particularly murky rabbit hole. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 00:57 - May 7 with 1048 views | XYZ |
| Labour need a new leader on 00:49 - May 7 by wkj |
I have managed to distance myself from all kinds of sex for a good 10 years now, so I like my odds of avoiding that particularly murky rabbit hole. |
Ah. You don't even occasionally think about tractors? | | | |
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