| Labour need a new leader 06:14 - May 6 with 14345 views | gtsb1966 |
and fast. Yesterday's results are proving that. He just doesn't resonate with the electorate unfortunately. The only way to get this rabble out is for a new labour leader. I just hope it happens because if it doesn't this excuse of government will get another five years. |  | | |  |
| Labour need a new leader on 09:24 - May 6 with 1281 views | tractordownsouth |
Labour won’t win the next GE outright anyway - nobody in the post war era has gone from winning just 200 seats and being 11% behind in the popular vote to winning a majority. Was comparing it the other day to 2005 when the Tories won 200 (their last defeat) but they only lost the popular vote by 3% so were very close in the marginals, which Labour weren’t in 2019.
Results are a mixed bag - London very good, outside of it the results are somewhere between 2017 and 2019 so certainly needs some big improvements. We may be getting towards hung parliament territory - saw a tweet saying Labour won the popular vote in 16 leave seats lost in 2019 where elections were held but you’d expect the Tories to improve upon last night during a GE.
So far I’d say the results are a C grade - good results in Wales and Scotland today will push it up to a B. I’m off to the Cardiff Council election count as we speak after breaking 30,000 on my step count yesterday! |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 09:55 - May 6 with 1214 views | mutters |
Sadly there has to be a slow realisation that this country is conservative by nature rather than by exception. The older voters remember the old labour, pre-Thatcher, and the impact it had on the country and people as a whole. Corbyn was too leftfield for most to handle, fuelled by the media and imo the hangover still remains today.
Is Starmer the man? As much as he is a decent person who has his heart in the right place he doesn't get the pulse going. Unfortunately, nowadays the world is often run by popular politics and he is just not exciting enough.
This is not about what is currently in government, that's obvious, it's how the opposition fails to move forward when even an asthmatic ant would make better progress.
Next steps? God knows but if the country is not careful this government will be in power for another 5 years, but maybe deep down its ok with that? [Post edited 6 May 2022 9:56]
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| Labour need a new leader on 09:56 - May 6 with 1200 views | BloomBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 09:24 - May 6 by tractordownsouth |
Labour won’t win the next GE outright anyway - nobody in the post war era has gone from winning just 200 seats and being 11% behind in the popular vote to winning a majority. Was comparing it the other day to 2005 when the Tories won 200 (their last defeat) but they only lost the popular vote by 3% so were very close in the marginals, which Labour weren’t in 2019.
Results are a mixed bag - London very good, outside of it the results are somewhere between 2017 and 2019 so certainly needs some big improvements. We may be getting towards hung parliament territory - saw a tweet saying Labour won the popular vote in 16 leave seats lost in 2019 where elections were held but you’d expect the Tories to improve upon last night during a GE.
So far I’d say the results are a C grade - good results in Wales and Scotland today will push it up to a B. I’m off to the Cardiff Council election count as we speak after breaking 30,000 on my step count yesterday! |
What was the total votes (probably so far as I know some areas have only just started counting)?
Purely out of interest as often local election voting is low and then GE is higher and that can change the overall results and from my unscientific conversations over the last few weeks I sensed more apathy from people around even voting let alone who they would be voting for. Hence just wondering how the overall total of votes compares with the previous same local elections. |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 10:02 - May 6 with 1196 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 08:39 - May 6 by lowhouseblue |
it was clear in december 2019 that turning that result around over one electoral cycle would be completely unprecedented. it is an utterly massive task. you can't take the metropolitan bubble or any online bubble as representative of where the wider population is. the stuff that is exciting much of the media and much social media doesn't have wider traction. if starmer can focus now on government incompetence, inflation, cost of living and the economy turning down we have a chance in 2024 - but to form a government after the 2019 result would be a scale of success never seen before. to quote the today programme - we are still suffering from long corbyn. |
Your use of 'we' is very confusing - most of your posting has been conveyed as very pro-tory with Corbyn being your personal stress ball. I know we all miss the heady days where we could hold hands with English expats in tory denial, but it's good to let go! [Post edited 6 May 2022 10:04]
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| Labour need a new leader on 10:54 - May 6 with 1118 views | giant_stow |
| Labour need a new leader on 09:24 - May 6 by tractordownsouth |
Labour won’t win the next GE outright anyway - nobody in the post war era has gone from winning just 200 seats and being 11% behind in the popular vote to winning a majority. Was comparing it the other day to 2005 when the Tories won 200 (their last defeat) but they only lost the popular vote by 3% so were very close in the marginals, which Labour weren’t in 2019.
Results are a mixed bag - London very good, outside of it the results are somewhere between 2017 and 2019 so certainly needs some big improvements. We may be getting towards hung parliament territory - saw a tweet saying Labour won the popular vote in 16 leave seats lost in 2019 where elections were held but you’d expect the Tories to improve upon last night during a GE.
So far I’d say the results are a C grade - good results in Wales and Scotland today will push it up to a B. I’m off to the Cardiff Council election count as we speak after breaking 30,000 on my step count yesterday! |
30,000?!!! Crumbs your poor feet! |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 10:55 - May 6 with 1120 views | usm |
Both major parties need new leaders
But, if Labour cant steamroll the Tories at the moment, given all the shyte that has gone on with the Tories recently, then I think they need much more than a new leader. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 10:56 - May 6 with 1118 views | giant_stow |
| Labour need a new leader on 10:02 - May 6 by wkj |
Your use of 'we' is very confusing - most of your posting has been conveyed as very pro-tory with Corbyn being your personal stress ball. I know we all miss the heady days where we could hold hands with English expats in tory denial, but it's good to let go! [Post edited 6 May 2022 10:04]
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Lowhouse is labour, clear as day. I'd guess possibly even involved somewhere.
(perhaps I'm a mug, but that's what I believe). | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:08 - May 6 with 1093 views | tractordownsouth |
| Labour need a new leader on 10:54 - May 6 by giant_stow |
30,000?!!! Crumbs your poor feet! |
My Tory-supporting mate managed 48,000 - very impressive effort considering they don’t have a prayer of controlling the council. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:11 - May 6 with 1081 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 10:56 - May 6 by giant_stow |
Lowhouse is labour, clear as day. I'd guess possibly even involved somewhere.
(perhaps I'm a mug, but that's what I believe). |
As I understand it Lowhouse has been a lifelong Labour activist and member. And his father before him.
Not wanting to see the far left make his party irrelevant and unelectable doesn't make him a Tory. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:16 - May 6 with 1066 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Labour need a new leader on 08:20 - May 6 by itfcjoe |
I think people forget that the last set of locals were before the 'fall of the red wall' so they were never going to win a load of seats back in that area because they never lost them.
It was always going to be a set of elections that both sides could claim a victory from - the Tories briefing about losing 800 seats was never in a million years going to happen and was purely an exercise in expectation management to try and look like they'd done well |
This.
These seats were last contested in 2018. In those elections the stats for England were:
Popular vote
Lab 35% (+8%)
Con 35% (-3%)
LD 16% (-2%)
Councillors
Lab 2,353 (+79)
Con 1,332 (-35)
LD 542 (+76)
So a relatively high water mark for Labour 4 years ago and yet so far, with a little over half the England results declared, Labour and the Lib Dems have increased the number of councillors they have and the Conservatives have lost even more.
Can't find any stats yet for vote share which is always interesting but doubtless John Curtice will be along later to translate the numbers into "what would a GE look like?" (2019 he said it was neck and neck and look how that turned out - "predicting the future is a mug's game" Michel de Nostredame). |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:19 - May 6 with 1058 views | Darth_Koont |
New leader. But most of all they need to be relevant and offer compelling policies as an alternative.
Triangulating around the centre-right is pointless when that’s where the Tories and the LibDems already are. Indeed where the same failed politics has been for decades that has already lost Labour Scotland and the red wall.
The Green gains *should* indicate that there is untapped potential elsewhere. And would certainly be more hopeful and positive message rather than refusing to raise corporation tax for example. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:23 - May 6 with 1046 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:11 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
As I understand it Lowhouse has been a lifelong Labour activist and member. And his father before him.
Not wanting to see the far left make his party irrelevant and unelectable doesn't make him a Tory. |
Gmpf. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:43 - May 6 with 987 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:11 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
As I understand it Lowhouse has been a lifelong Labour activist and member. And his father before him.
Not wanting to see the far left make his party irrelevant and unelectable doesn't make him a Tory. |
Possibly. One thing that may back that up is that he didn't try to accuse me of political point-scoring when David Ames was murdered, simply for using a word commonly associated with crime. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:48 - May 6 with 968 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:08 - May 6 by tractordownsouth |
My Tory-supporting mate managed 48,000 - very impressive effort considering they don’t have a prayer of controlling the council. |
You have Tory friends? That makes you an actual Nazi.
edit. For the benefit of our more delicate posters, I do not believe that TDS is an actual Nazi. [Post edited 6 May 2022 14:11]
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:50 - May 6 with 951 views | giant_stow |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:08 - May 6 by tractordownsouth |
My Tory-supporting mate managed 48,000 - very impressive effort considering they don’t have a prayer of controlling the council. |
Got to admire your mate's application, if not his/her views. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:52 - May 6 with 939 views | giant_stow |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:43 - May 6 by wkj |
Possibly. One thing that may back that up is that he didn't try to accuse me of political point-scoring when David Ames was murdered, simply for using a word commonly associated with crime. |
Labour people are allowed to disagree about stuff innit. I think Lowhouse is wrong about the party's handling/ tactics around Brexit for instance, not that I put my activism where my mouth is. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:54 - May 6 with 925 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:52 - May 6 by giant_stow |
Labour people are allowed to disagree about stuff innit. I think Lowhouse is wrong about the party's handling/ tactics around Brexit for instance, not that I put my activism where my mouth is. |
People are allowed to do more or less whatever they like, you wouldn't catch me saying otherwise. Similarly, I might fire a couple of bold hot takes out myself every so often. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:58 - May 6 with 908 views | giant_stow |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:54 - May 6 by wkj |
People are allowed to do more or less whatever they like, you wouldn't catch me saying otherwise. Similarly, I might fire a couple of bold hot takes out myself every so often. |
Yes indeed and keep them coming - not that you need my approval (and may even actively not want it) but you're one the better posters. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 11:59 - May 6 with 903 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:43 - May 6 by wkj |
Possibly. One thing that may back that up is that he didn't try to accuse me of political point-scoring when David Ames was murdered, simply for using a word commonly associated with crime. |
Nobody accused you of political point scoring when David Amos was murdered.
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| Labour need a new leader on 12:00 - May 6 with 907 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Very rough calculation of vote share for Ipswich parliamentary constituency based on last night's numbers (in case anyone is interested)
Lab - 45%
Con - 35%
LD - 12%
Grn - 8%
As has been mentioned elsewhere turnout differences between local and general elections is a factor (avergae turnout across Ipswich I would guess at about 35% last night compared to nearer 70% for a GE) | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 12:02 - May 6 with 893 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:58 - May 6 by giant_stow |
Yes indeed and keep them coming - not that you need my approval (and may even actively not want it) but you're one the better posters. |
I do like to throw a challenge out every now and again, perhaps a little less often and a little less emotive than my former LBF colleagues (they kicked me out). One thing I am absolutely convinced of is that people are becoming increasingly less certain about what they support politically, but much much much more convinced about why certain political points or ideas should be shut down.
We're gleefully dancing to the tune of "I wont tell you why you should vote for me, but I will tell you why you shouldn't vote for the other guy". In just 10 years we've adopted American style politics, and it sucks. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 12:05 - May 6 with 878 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:59 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Nobody accused you of political point scoring when David Amos was murdered.
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The inference of this reply is enough. Also, the lack of apology after I made it very clear I was not creating a "WTF" narative. [Post edited 6 May 2022 12:08]
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| Labour need a new leader on 12:06 - May 6 with 866 views | Ryorry |
| Labour need a new leader on 07:30 - May 6 by Plums |
Much as I like Starmer, I can’t help feeling that Burnham would put this Tory rabble to the sword and romp to number 10. |
Exactly, it's been a big problem for Labour that Burnham didn't want to stand, as people can see from his Mayoral actions, speeches, responses etc. exactly the kind of impassioned, fiery good sense & intelligence that's needed, and I'm afraid (because I like Starmer's analytical precision & decency) which is lacking in Starmer, who isn't dynamic enough & thus isn't engaging enough people. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 12:24 - May 6 with 805 views | wkj |
| Labour need a new leader on 12:06 - May 6 by Ryorry |
Exactly, it's been a big problem for Labour that Burnham didn't want to stand, as people can see from his Mayoral actions, speeches, responses etc. exactly the kind of impassioned, fiery good sense & intelligence that's needed, and I'm afraid (because I like Starmer's analytical precision & decency) which is lacking in Starmer, who isn't dynamic enough & thus isn't engaging enough people. |
On the other side of that, Why should we 'need' people to be a cult of personality to win an election. I think Starmer is measured and much more comfortable with the idea of a civil debate than a shouting match - that should be the most appealing kind of person to represent the public I would have thought. The only problem is that Boris has come along and has learned to use bite sized slogans and tactical grade sh1t flinging - hard to have a civil debate with that going on. | |
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| Just a nazi……??!! on 12:32 - May 6 with 776 views | Bloots |
| Labour need a new leader on 11:48 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
You have Tory friends? That makes you an actual Nazi.
edit. For the benefit of our more delicate posters, I do not believe that TDS is an actual Nazi. [Post edited 6 May 2022 14:11]
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……I was branded a racist, homophobic, bigot for much less than that! |  |
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