| Labour need a new leader 06:14 - May 6 with 14339 views | gtsb1966 |
and fast. Yesterday's results are proving that. He just doesn't resonate with the electorate unfortunately. The only way to get this rabble out is for a new labour leader. I just hope it happens because if it doesn't this excuse of government will get another five years. |  | | |  |
| Labour need a new leader on 17:30 - May 6 with 1759 views | Ryorry |
| Labour need a new leader on 17:24 - May 6 by Clapham_Junction |
Do you not remember hampsteadblue?
Unfortunately it seems Rahman has won in Tower Hamlets; it's going to second preferences, but he is 12,000 ahead and there are only a maximum of 17,000 second preference votes; there's no way the Labour mayor will make up the gap. |
Ah, I do, had forgotten he'd gone tbh. Did he actually live in Hampstead though? |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 17:39 - May 6 with 1740 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Labour need a new leader on 17:27 - May 6 by footers |
Think that mentalist had moved out of Hampstead. Much like your good self and Clapham :)
How tf is Rahman getting back in? I suppose for the same reasons he was voted in in the first place... Sigh. |
Wait, what Rahman is standing? Surely electoral fraud would preclude you from politics for life?
Another nail in our farce of democracy - straight out of the banana republic playbook! |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 17:43 - May 6 with 1712 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 17:39 - May 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Wait, what Rahman is standing? Surely electoral fraud would preclude you from politics for life?
Another nail in our farce of democracy - straight out of the banana republic playbook! |
Yup! You'd have thought so, wouldn't you, but there we are. We seem to like rewarding criminality here for some reason. Although I don't think he was actually convicted of anything?
I lived around there for some years during his time and there was always an air of corruption and wink, wink, nudge, nudge among the local Bangladeshi community when it came to voting for him. Something very dodgy was going on behind the scenes. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 18:29 - May 6 with 1665 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour need a new leader on 15:42 - May 6 by jeera |
I'm fairly certain Clapham is staunch Labour and that you may be misreading his intentions here. |
I'm not really bothered who he supports. He posted:
"I was trying to point out to you that the "overall stats" are not a true reflection of the whole UK"
And yet they are;
"The BBC calculates that based on these results, if the whole country had been voting - Labour would have 35% of the vote, Conservative 30%."
I can't really put it any clearer than that. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 18:35 - May 6 with 1657 views | gazzer1999 |
| Labour need a new leader on 13:15 - May 6 by HARRY10 |
Yesterday should be seen in the context of the limited number of places voting - and the results highlight how 'power' must reside with the voters, not a half cozen, horse trading, in a back room as some of the clueless would have.
What has come out clear in the result so far is an anti Tory vote, prepared to 'hold their nose' and vote whoever it tales to remove Tories. Far better that than to simply hand over their votes to have an unknown candidate foistered on them, and to be in a coalition (2010/2015) they had no say in.
The bigot vote has no 'gone away' and will be pandered to, with success, by the Tories. Cynics might suggest it is not in the interest of Tories to curb the number of immigrants arriving by boat, and failed loony ideas such as shipping them off to Rwanda work for them
Expect more 'rightie' ideas to surface over the coming months, with the EU being blamed for chaos at the ports, shortage of labour on farms and hospitality - and the suggested re-introduction of anything that smacks of the 1950s, Grammar schools, smog and rickets.
The real task is to enthuse those under 25 to stand up and be counted. This is their future at stake and should not be left to the over 65s who have 'had their time' |
How dare you make an ageist comment like that? I suggest you remove that remark and apologise, else you will be reported. |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:38 - May 6 with 1651 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour need a new leader on 16:35 - May 6 by Darth_Koont |
Here you go. A 5-minute read. And there’s plenty more detail if you google for it. Small price to pay for understanding the issues, right?
https://the-free-press.co.uk/2021/03/28/keir-starmers-10-socialist-pledges-foren
That Starmer has broken his pledges and lied during the leadership campaign isn’t even in doubt for those of the membership who took him at his word that he would build on the foundation of the 2017 manifesto. But a bit like Vote Leave or the antisemitism smear campaign against Corbyn, it seems people don’t care about lies if it gets them what they want. And forcibly distancing Labour from even social democracy seems to make a lot of people happy. |
That's an incredibly one-sided, fact-twisting/stretching article by someone who clearly doesn't like Starmer. It crowbars various abstentions into "oh this was a bit like this pledge", attacks things he can't change due to not actually being in power, and there are pledges that still can come to fruition but haven't yet due to the timing not being right.
Hardly a pack of "lies". | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 18:43 - May 6 with 1630 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour need a new leader on 15:41 - May 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're on the ropes fella.
It was double in terms of seats... and still is. As I write Labour = 1514, Tory = 760. |
You could always just downarrow a fact if you don't like it.
Update: Labour still have won double the seats of the Tories.
2069 Labour to the Tories 991. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 18:47 - May 6 with 1598 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 16:17 - May 6 by wkj |
"Your fellow companions have often accused Tories of being Nazis/ fascists/racists. I never saw you once pull them up."
This isn't the first time I have voiced an up-onion on this as it happens.
I'm not having a pop at you, but I am having a pop at a bit of bad form. And I am not offended by anything you said about Lowhouse - I found his reply to mine to be a perfectly amicable retort (as made obvious by not doubling down on it).
As for your penultimate line - you might want to make it a bit clearer what you mean by this, as this passive-aggressive polka is not a great way to keep my superior mind invigorated. [Post edited 6 May 2022 16:20]
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Please stop playing the innocent in this exchange. Let’s rewind a minute fella.
You stated that Lowhouse’ posting had been very “pro Tory”
Ulla posted that Lowhouse was Labour “clear as day”
I replied to Ulla, not you, that I understood !owehouse to be “ has been a lifelong Labour activist and member. And his father before him. ”
You then went back to a thread from October of last year to suggest I had accused you of political point scoring over the murder of David Amesss. Very odd to do so.
I then replied that nobody had accused you of political point scoring over the murder. I linked the thread.
You then continued the spat with “ The inference of this reply is enough. Also, the lack of apology after I made it very clear I was not creating a "WTF" narative.”
You then had a pop at my comment to TDS.
Unless you have a logical explanation why my reasonable reply to Ulla should lead you to dragging up a post from October of last year and having several pops at me, then it’s pretty obvious you are stirring. Not sure what you got out of it though. [Post edited 6 May 2022 19:01]
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| Labour need a new leader on 18:55 - May 6 with 1583 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:47 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Please stop playing the innocent in this exchange. Let’s rewind a minute fella.
You stated that Lowhouse’ posting had been very “pro Tory”
Ulla posted that Lowhouse was Labour “clear as day”
I replied to Ulla, not you, that I understood !owehouse to be “ has been a lifelong Labour activist and member. And his father before him. ”
You then went back to a thread from October of last year to suggest I had accused you of political point scoring over the murder of David Amesss. Very odd to do so.
I then replied that nobody had accused you of political point scoring over the murder. I linked the thread.
You then continued the spat with “ The inference of this reply is enough. Also, the lack of apology after I made it very clear I was not creating a "WTF" narative.”
You then had a pop at my comment to TDS.
Unless you have a logical explanation why my reasonable reply to Ulla should lead you to dragging up a post from October of last year and having several pops at me, then it’s pretty obvious you are stirring. Not sure what you got out of it though. [Post edited 6 May 2022 19:01]
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technically, i think i'm a member three times over because when I've changed address the party has started a new direct debit and never cancelled the old ones. it seemed rude to mention it. father, mother, siblings, in-laws, partner. at least one grand parent certainly goes back to the early 1920s. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:09 - May 6 with 1546 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:55 - May 6 by lowhouseblue |
technically, i think i'm a member three times over because when I've changed address the party has started a new direct debit and never cancelled the old ones. it seemed rude to mention it. father, mother, siblings, in-laws, partner. at least one grand parent certainly goes back to the early 1920s. |
But you said bad things about Corbyn. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:09 - May 6 with 1556 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:55 - May 6 by lowhouseblue |
technically, i think i'm a member three times over because when I've changed address the party has started a new direct debit and never cancelled the old ones. it seemed rude to mention it. father, mother, siblings, in-laws, partner. at least one grand parent certainly goes back to the early 1920s. |
Which means you’re everything wrong with our politics x3.
The idea you consider yourself the opposition is frankly terrifying.
Enjoy your weekend. 😘 |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:11 - May 6 with 1550 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:09 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
But you said bad things about Corbyn. |
Lied about Corbyn. As did you.
Let’s be accurate. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:12 - May 6 with 1545 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:09 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
But you said bad things about Corbyn. |
You voted for Corbyn as leader as a 'joke' despite him being an apparent massive antisemite.
Funny how these things work, innit. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:14 - May 6 with 1541 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:38 - May 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's an incredibly one-sided, fact-twisting/stretching article by someone who clearly doesn't like Starmer. It crowbars various abstentions into "oh this was a bit like this pledge", attacks things he can't change due to not actually being in power, and there are pledges that still can come to fruition but haven't yet due to the timing not being right.
Hardly a pack of "lies". |
Yeah, I don’t think you want to accept it. But Starmer is miles away from the platform he stood on.
At the very least you should look into his record on unity and a supposedly broad church of leftish opinion. He’s gone off the deep end to exclude the members and turn the party towards donors and the PLP. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:15 - May 6 with 1537 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:09 - May 6 by Darth_Koont |
Which means you’re everything wrong with our politics x3.
The idea you consider yourself the opposition is frankly terrifying.
Enjoy your weekend. 😘 |
I don't think I've ever seen lowhouse say anything marginally leftist. Most of his time seems to be 'explaining, not defending' the Tories. Which is quite odd for a lifelong Labour member. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:16 - May 6 with 1530 views | footers |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:14 - May 6 by Darth_Koont |
Yeah, I don’t think you want to accept it. But Starmer is miles away from the platform he stood on.
At the very least you should look into his record on unity and a supposedly broad church of leftish opinion. He’s gone off the deep end to exclude the members and turn the party towards donors and the PLP. |
Dolly thought 'boris' would make a good PM, to be fair. That was after he was a self-described 'Corbynista' and now he's backing Starmer all the way.
I'm not sure his political judgement is entirely reliable. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 19:22 - May 6 with 1513 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour need a new leader on 19:15 - May 6 by footers |
I don't think I've ever seen lowhouse say anything marginally leftist. Most of his time seems to be 'explaining, not defending' the Tories. Which is quite odd for a lifelong Labour member. |
Lowers loves the game of politics. Red team vs. Blue team.
Actual policies and making a difference in people’s lives ruins all that. Ultimately that love of the game – and animosity towards anyone who hates it – is why him and GB are bosom buddies.
Total dangers. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 20:08 - May 6 with 1460 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 16:35 - May 6 by Darth_Koont |
Here you go. A 5-minute read. And there’s plenty more detail if you google for it. Small price to pay for understanding the issues, right?
https://the-free-press.co.uk/2021/03/28/keir-starmers-10-socialist-pledges-foren
That Starmer has broken his pledges and lied during the leadership campaign isn’t even in doubt for those of the membership who took him at his word that he would build on the foundation of the 2017 manifesto. But a bit like Vote Leave or the antisemitism smear campaign against Corbyn, it seems people don’t care about lies if it gets them what they want. And forcibly distancing Labour from even social democracy seems to make a lot of people happy. |
The briefest search on the first pledge shows that 10 months after it “went in the bin” according to that article, Starmer was saying it would still be a priority at the next GE - https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/keir-starmer-priority-remains-to-tax-
2 days ago the DM was wanging on about Starmer still keeping that pledge on the table (I’m not linking as they’re a bunch o’ c****s, but feel free to search.
Doesn’t sound like pledge 1 is “in the bin” at all, which makes me think that article is a load of balls. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 20:33 - May 6 with 1435 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 18:47 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Please stop playing the innocent in this exchange. Let’s rewind a minute fella.
You stated that Lowhouse’ posting had been very “pro Tory”
Ulla posted that Lowhouse was Labour “clear as day”
I replied to Ulla, not you, that I understood !owehouse to be “ has been a lifelong Labour activist and member. And his father before him. ”
You then went back to a thread from October of last year to suggest I had accused you of political point scoring over the murder of David Amesss. Very odd to do so.
I then replied that nobody had accused you of political point scoring over the murder. I linked the thread.
You then continued the spat with “ The inference of this reply is enough. Also, the lack of apology after I made it very clear I was not creating a "WTF" narative.”
You then had a pop at my comment to TDS.
Unless you have a logical explanation why my reasonable reply to Ulla should lead you to dragging up a post from October of last year and having several pops at me, then it’s pretty obvious you are stirring. Not sure what you got out of it though. [Post edited 6 May 2022 19:01]
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‘Far right or Corbynite? Springs to mind. To me Lowie’s always come across as defending the Tories and taking the line of their client press. I could well be wrong of course and I’m sure he can speak for himself. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 20:59 - May 6 with 1395 views | tractordownsouth |
| Labour need a new leader on 15:59 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Now this is funny. Bloke stands as a paper candidate in a Tory seat that he supposedly had no chance of winning. Didn't bother canvassing . Went to bed as normal only to be woken up in the middle of the night to be told to get down to the count as it was getting very close. Ends up being elected.
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Cardiff Council very good for Labour. Went from 38 to 55/70 seats. Unfortunately my mate didn’t get elected and we were in the only ward where our vote went down but he was against decent Liberal councillors with some NIMBYist backlash against Labour proposals and couldn’t benefit from anti-Johnson backlash.
Another friend of mine stood as a paper candidate and got within 200 votes of accidentally winning. Her and the incumbent Liberal were on edge about the result but for completely different reasons! |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 21:28 - May 6 with 1357 views | Seablu |
| Labour need a new leader on 14:14 - May 6 by mutters |
I'd love to see in any of my historical posts where I have said anything remotely "yes but labour". Go on have a look, happy to wait.
What is it about this police investigation that is worrying you? Shouldn't you let them decide what the truth is here? Or are you saying that because it's the labour party they don't have to respect this?
I hope there is nothing to find, I suspect that there isn't. However, if the police have decided there is something to look at then i will wait until then.
Tribalism politics at its best!!! |
You did get particularly hot under your doggie collar when Boris was referred to as fat boy.
Pulled you up on it about 6 weeks ago, but you slipped your lead and ran off.
Evidence is piling up, cartoon dog boy… |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:29 - May 6 with 1358 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 17:39 - May 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Wait, what Rahman is standing? Surely electoral fraud would preclude you from politics for life?
Another nail in our farce of democracy - straight out of the banana republic playbook! |
Should be a life ban imo. I’m all for second chances to allow people to atone for mistakes and rebuild their lives, but some areas of work require exceptions. We should no more re-appoint corrupt public servants than we would paedophile teachers or dodgy coppers. | |
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| Labour need a new leader on 21:33 - May 6 with 1347 views | jeera |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:29 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Should be a life ban imo. I’m all for second chances to allow people to atone for mistakes and rebuild their lives, but some areas of work require exceptions. We should no more re-appoint corrupt public servants than we would paedophile teachers or dodgy coppers. |
Agree and couldn't give a sh1t what his political affiliations are, Labour or otherwise.
If anything having someone like him still in the picture looks bad for the party; association and all that.
How the feck can someone convicted of any kind of fraud find themselves back in a position of trust. |  |
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| Labour need a new leader on 21:38 - May 6 with 1341 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:33 - May 6 by jeera |
Agree and couldn't give a sh1t what his political affiliations are, Labour or otherwise.
If anything having someone like him still in the picture looks bad for the party; association and all that.
How the feck can someone convicted of any kind of fraud find themselves back in a position of trust. |
In 2016 one of my local councillors was convicted of housing fraud and sent to prison (he got a council flat while already owning properties).
He is running in the local elections as an independent, and has been tacitly backed by Rahman's party, which has only put up two candidates in a three-seat ward.
How the hell anyone can vote for a man who falsely obtained council housing in a borough with a 20k waiting list is completely beyond me. How he even has the brass neck to stand is another question. |  | | |
| Labour need a new leader on 21:43 - May 6 with 1325 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour need a new leader on 20:59 - May 6 by tractordownsouth |
Cardiff Council very good for Labour. Went from 38 to 55/70 seats. Unfortunately my mate didn’t get elected and we were in the only ward where our vote went down but he was against decent Liberal councillors with some NIMBYist backlash against Labour proposals and couldn’t benefit from anti-Johnson backlash.
Another friend of mine stood as a paper candidate and got within 200 votes of accidentally winning. Her and the incumbent Liberal were on edge about the result but for completely different reasons! |
Swansea overall a Labour hold too still with a big majority (slightly down on 2017), but in our ward the Tory increased his majority by 50%. A long standing independent didn’t stand and all his votes went to the Tories. WTF is wrong with people? We are surrounded by well off retirees, but still. Depressing stuff. Lib Dems bombed in our ward - only 50 something votes out of about 1,600. | |
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