| Celina 22:02 - Jun 16 with 6651 views | Stu_boy |
Honest question is he really as good as we make him out to be? Everyone can see he has magical moments and play great passes at times. Equally though he seems to vanish from games and make little impact. When we initially brought him in on loan under mick, the team was pretty dire for championship standards due to years of under investment so we clung onto anything inspiring who could offer a glimpse of attacking flair. Due to that i think he's got through last season on that odd magical moment. However, if we are to really push on we need someone a whole lot more consistent. What are your oppinions? |  | | |  |
| Celina on 08:30 - Jun 17 with 956 views | markchips |
| Celina on 08:18 - Jun 17 by nodge_blue |
Scored two of the best goals I've ever seen at PR. Super talented. Could do with a bit more strength, and a yard of extra pace. |
For me there is one hell of a player in there. The draw of Celina , resulting in significant gates for division three would . cover the cost.
The question is , is there better out there available ? I suspect not and , as I have mentioned before, the benefits of a settled side that know each other well, cannot be underestimated.
I would therefore not be surprised to see Santi back along with Thompson.
That leaves the central striker required and that was always the big cost and would take time to secure. We could start the season with Ladapo and Jackson and possibly Pigott has to be moved on before we take a new one in. | | | |
| Celina on 08:31 - Jun 17 with 960 views | SomethingBlue |
Did very well indeed last season given he had *no* pre season and, y'know, a pretty unpleasant Covid-related illness. Imagine what he'll do when he's not come in from a standing start. I'd love to know who people think would be an improvement. If we can get him in longer-term it would be a sensational bit of business. | |
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| Celina on 08:32 - Jun 17 with 949 views | BiGDonnie |
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| Best footballer we had last season. (n/t) on 08:34 - Jun 17 with 940 views | Bloots |
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| Celina on 08:41 - Jun 17 with 919 views | TomTheWriter |
There are a lot of variables in play with Celina. The ultimate question it comes down to is ‘Is Celina worth it?’
As some have said, he gives you those moments of magic no one else can do, and then he looks invisible for 20 minutes and then pops up again. I think the big problem Celina had specifically under McKenna, was that he dropped WAY too deep every game to get the ball. He doesn’t need to do that with two ball-playing midfielders in the 3-4-2-1. If he picked the ball up, say, 15-20 yards further up the field, how dangerous could he have been |  |
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| Celina on 08:41 - Jun 17 with 919 views | jayessess |
| Celina on 08:23 - Jun 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Problem is, it all depends what it is that you are looking for from him. yes if more goals were scored from others his assist stats would be better, but tbh I can ignore assist stats as it relies on others.
But Whilst Celina can score a worldie, he scored 5 goals since November 1st. in an advanced position across 26 games.
In a position which PC & then KM have both said goals are the most important attribute needed in that position. IMO Celina didn't contribute enough in this specific area for us to be bending over backwards to sign him.
That being said, it doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see him return, BUT I'm still not sure KM will go for him. |
I think the assists thing does cut both ways, sometimes you knock the ball sideways and your mate smashes in a 20-yarder and you've got an assist for a very simple pass, other times you get the ball on the halfway line, spin past 2 players, then execute a flat 50 yard through ball through the eye of a needle that the receiving player just has to dink over the keeper.
I don't think I recall KM saying that about his number 10. It would surprise me, because really it's a position that requires both goals and assists. Celina does give you a bit of both and we already have a number 10 who's a pure goalscorer - Chaplin.
Chaplin's an interesting comparison actually. Slightly less productive than Celina (goal or assist every 183 minutes) and between fee and wages probably cost us more, but I don't see anyone questioning whether we could do better there. I don't think we can and I love Chaplin, but I'm not sure what explains the disparity. |  |
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| Celina on 08:46 - Jun 17 with 894 views | BiGDonnie |
| Celina on 08:23 - Jun 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Problem is, it all depends what it is that you are looking for from him. yes if more goals were scored from others his assist stats would be better, but tbh I can ignore assist stats as it relies on others.
But Whilst Celina can score a worldie, he scored 5 goals since November 1st. in an advanced position across 26 games.
In a position which PC & then KM have both said goals are the most important attribute needed in that position. IMO Celina didn't contribute enough in this specific area for us to be bending over backwards to sign him.
That being said, it doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see him return, BUT I'm still not sure KM will go for him. |
He'd walk into your naaridge side. | |
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| Celina on 08:47 - Jun 17 with 880 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Celina on 08:41 - Jun 17 by jayessess |
I think the assists thing does cut both ways, sometimes you knock the ball sideways and your mate smashes in a 20-yarder and you've got an assist for a very simple pass, other times you get the ball on the halfway line, spin past 2 players, then execute a flat 50 yard through ball through the eye of a needle that the receiving player just has to dink over the keeper.
I don't think I recall KM saying that about his number 10. It would surprise me, because really it's a position that requires both goals and assists. Celina does give you a bit of both and we already have a number 10 who's a pure goalscorer - Chaplin.
Chaplin's an interesting comparison actually. Slightly less productive than Celina (goal or assist every 183 minutes) and between fee and wages probably cost us more, but I don't see anyone questioning whether we could do better there. I don't think we can and I love Chaplin, but I'm not sure what explains the disparity. |
I think Chaplins goals in the final few games of the season has played a part in that. As you know I did post about all the front line players but I do appreciate why each has their own fans. It will be interesting, There are certainly cases for why you'd keep with all of them, but likewise there are reasons we might not. I guess we can only wait and see and end of of the day really KM is the one who knows what he wants, we can just enjoy the ride :) |  |
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| Celina on 08:52 - Jun 17 with 871 views | rickw |
The apparent wages which came out for last season showed Celina on £20k per week which was 3-4 times anyone else, do people think he's worth that? |  |
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| Celina on 08:55 - Jun 17 with 855 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
The answer is yes.....Quite clearly yes.
Anyone who says otherwise is talking complete nonsense |  |
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| Celina on 08:56 - Jun 17 with 853 views | StokieBlue |
| Celina on 08:52 - Jun 17 by rickw |
The apparent wages which came out for last season showed Celina on £20k per week which was 3-4 times anyone else, do people think he's worth that? |
You honestly think Celina is on 3 or 4 times the wage of Morsy, Edmundson or Walton?
Perhaps it's best not to believe fictitious salary sites (unless you can show me a couple of P60s or something direct from the club).
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| Celina on 09:02 - Jun 17 with 840 views | Parky |
You’d struggle to get better in League One.
Football’s a game of opinions of course, but if we had a clinical goalscorer upfront, his stats would have been a lot higher, in my opinion.
I also think he was dropping too deep to get the ball last season, with the right central midfielder in there (hopefully Ball) I don’t think he’d have to do that and instead, will get on the ball on the most threatening areas.
From all I’ve heard and read, I don’t think he’s McKenna’s number one target and may be one that we look into later on in the window if required. | | | |
| He doesn't 'vanish from games'...? on 09:09 - Jun 17 with 832 views | Dyland |
One of the current myths among our support.
He's not very good at tackling, sure! Makes an effort though, always. Under McK he always looked dangerous, all game, whenever he played. There were moments under both McCarthy and Cook he may have looked a bit meh, but who didn't. |  |
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| He doesn't 'vanish from games'...? on 09:14 - Jun 17 with 807 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| He doesn't 'vanish from games'...? on 09:09 - Jun 17 by Dyland |
One of the current myths among our support.
He's not very good at tackling, sure! Makes an effort though, always. Under McK he always looked dangerous, all game, whenever he played. There were moments under both McCarthy and Cook he may have looked a bit meh, but who didn't. |
Definitely a more complete player under McK. |  |
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| He doesn't 'vanish from games'...? on 09:17 - Jun 17 with 808 views | Dyland |
| He doesn't 'vanish from games'...? on 09:14 - Jun 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Definitely a more complete player under McK. |
Innit ba. And if we can afford him, and he fits into what may be a slightly tweaked team, and plays higher.... I really can't imagine who else we could get who was anywhere near his skill level. It would be an amazing signing, quite clearly. | |
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| Celina on 09:23 - Jun 17 with 795 views | Mullet |
He's probably better - he still produced during the perfect storm of his ill health and our shocking management from Cook.
We would fly with him at full power. |  |
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| Celina on 09:35 - Jun 17 with 766 views | Ely_Blue |
| Celina on 08:52 - Jun 17 by rickw |
The apparent wages which came out for last season showed Celina on £20k per week which was 3-4 times anyone else, do people think he's worth that? |
If I were to do a direct comparison with him and our other 10 (Chaplin) based on work rate, goals and assists then I know which one contributes more.
Did that worldie goal vs Crewe get us more than 3 points? |  |
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| Celina on 09:54 - Jun 17 with 738 views | Guthrum |
| Celina on 08:07 - Jun 17 by jayessess |
I don't think Celina had a perfect season by any means, I just think people are massively overestimating what level of consistency and involvement you're going to get from an attacking midfielder.
You're going to have games where your 10 doesn't get in the game very much, where they can't get the ball in areas where they hurt the opposition (because collectively we're not moving the ball in ways that find them space or because the opposition defend them well). You're going to have games where they try stuff that doesn't come off (because they're trying to do the hardest thing for a footballer to do, the final ball). You're just not going to find a 10 for whom that isn't the case, not even Twine!
If we go out and get an attacking midfielder who makes a direct, concrete contribution from open play as often as Celina did this season, we'll have done really good work. |
If you have a player who gains a reputation as being particularly good, the opposition will set up to mark him out of the game. That's some of what happened to Bonne in the middle of last season.
However, even if that is the case, it should create space for others to exploit. |  |
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| Celina on 09:55 - Jun 17 with 738 views | franz_tyson |
| Celina on 08:56 - Jun 17 by StokieBlue |
You honestly think Celina is on 3 or 4 times the wage of Morsy, Edmundson or Walton?
Perhaps it's best not to believe fictitious salary sites (unless you can show me a couple of P60s or something direct from the club).
SB |
No, he's probably not, but he's likely to be the top earner. And whilst I cannot see Walton, Edmundson and Morsy dropped / rested - I'd bet that during the season he'd be benched quite frequently. Those other guys are crucial to the side and we'd miss them when not avaliable.
The fact is ...if we want to push the boat out on him - he has to deliver. Whilst we want work-rate, we're not paying top dollar for his tackling, heading, cover,etc... we get that from other players. We need that bit more....
It's up to McKenna how much more we can get out of him and is he worth persevering with for the wages. Pretty sure everywhere he's been that kind of player who can do something special, but has never been that truly crucial player. | | | |
| Celina on 10:00 - Jun 17 with 721 views | rickw |
| Celina on 08:56 - Jun 17 by StokieBlue |
You honestly think Celina is on 3 or 4 times the wage of Morsy, Edmundson or Walton?
Perhaps it's best not to believe fictitious salary sites (unless you can show me a couple of P60s or something direct from the club).
SB |
Yes, the club have said or at least indicated to EADT that we could only get him in a loan deal because of the contract he's on in France and he obviously wouldn't want to sign elsewhere for say 50% of the wages he currently gets.
If we can get him on the wages of the players you mentioned then I'd say get him, but for double or treble that I'd look elsewhere | |
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| Celina on 10:12 - Jun 17 with 705 views | Mookamoo |
Celina is a fantastic footballer, but what I never really fully understood from last season was our lack of goals from set pieces. For us to invest a big chuck of the wages on a single attacking flair player with the apparent talent of Celina, I would have expected a better return from free kicks/corners. I know it shouldn't all be on him and that isn't his
forte - a left back that could swing a decent ball in the right would be help - but if we could improve that part of our game without Celina I think we would better off than continuing to stutter with him. |  | | |
| Celina on 10:13 - Jun 17 with 702 views | jayessess |
| Celina on 09:35 - Jun 17 by Ely_Blue |
If I were to do a direct comparison with him and our other 10 (Chaplin) based on work rate, goals and assists then I know which one contributes more.
Did that worldie goal vs Crewe get us more than 3 points? |
Chaplin 12 goals and assists in 2200 minutes
Celina 12 goals and assists in 2131 minutes
Work rate is more difficult to quantify, but Celina created more chances, completed a lot more passes, as well as more dribbles and more tackles. I like both players, but Celina's more involved than Chaplin is.
I think the eye test is deceptive in this comparison, because Chaplin scurries and battles like a small guy, whereas Celina glides elegantly. | |
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| Celina on 10:17 - Jun 17 with 693 views | StokieBlue |
| Celina on 10:00 - Jun 17 by rickw |
Yes, the club have said or at least indicated to EADT that we could only get him in a loan deal because of the contract he's on in France and he obviously wouldn't want to sign elsewhere for say 50% of the wages he currently gets.
If we can get him on the wages of the players you mentioned then I'd say get him, but for double or treble that I'd look elsewhere |
No, that's not any type of proof, it's complete conjecture based on a quote you think has been indicated to the EADT.
Probably best not to state someone is on 4 times the amount of our other good players without any evidence and then hold them up to some different level based on that assumption.
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| Celina on 11:01 - Jun 17 with 638 views | itfcjoe |
| Celina on 09:35 - Jun 17 by Ely_Blue |
If I were to do a direct comparison with him and our other 10 (Chaplin) based on work rate, goals and assists then I know which one contributes more.
Did that worldie goal vs Crewe get us more than 3 points? |
Our 10s and forwards last season on the open play metric - (Goals + Assists - Penalty Kicks per 90 minutes)
1. Kayden Jackson - 0.95
2. James Norwood - 0.67
3= Bersant Celina - 0.46
= Macauley Bonne - 0.46
5, Connor Chaplin - 0.45
6. Sone Aluko - 0.18
7. Joe Pigott - 0.10 |  |
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| Celina on 11:12 - Jun 17 with 606 views | BonneNIL |
| Celina on 22:32 - Jun 16 by You_Bloo_Right |
Having a player like Celina in the team in L1 is almost like cheating ..... ergo we keep him if we can. |
While I rate him, he didn't walk it either. It wasn't like Gio in the Championship when the guy was so much better than everyone on both teams it was unfair.
If only we had made that happen permanently we'd have gone up the following season! Instead, we got Lee Martin.
You are what you eat.... |  |
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