| Sunak for PM then.... 16:32 - Jul 8 with 3573 views | homer_123 |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 18:18 - Jul 8 with 1030 views | gtsb1966 |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 18:17 - Jul 8 by jeera |
40 million. Crikey.
Where do they get this stuff from? |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 18:29 - Jul 8 with 1003 views | HARRY10 |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 16:37 - Jul 8 by hype313 |
Labour would have a field day with him, if nothing else their campaign will focus on the fraudulent lost Covid loans.
Not sure the grassroots will be overly keen on a PM who has whacked up taxes to the highest for 70 years.
But, hey, why don't we all throw our hats in. |
"Not sure the grassroots will be overly keen on a PM who .... is brown"
Because that is what it will come down to for a huge number of Tories.
This also blows another hole in the myth of PR. This will be decided by a number of Tory MP s who will select the final two - who will make all the noises to play to their bigoted voters, only. That would be the case with PR.
The problem they face is if they continue their slide to the right they will simply retain the swivel eyed vote, but lose the centre ground which is lost a fair amount to the Libdems already
Move to the centre and they will lose votes to what ever Farage sets up...BigotsRUS, and/ir the latest incarnation of the NF,BNP, EDL,YKIP etc.
As an outsider I would go for Hunt J to make the final two. However I suspect it will cause a spilt among the bigots, whichever way it goes.
Worth noting todays poll
Con 29 - 221 sears
Lab 40 - 338 seats
that is without tactical voting, which is estimated loses the Tories 30/40 seats |  | | |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 19:12 - Jul 8 with 975 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 17:51 - Jul 8 by gtsb1966 |
Going to be Ben Wallace isn't it. He'll declare his intentions very soon and win it. Unfortunately he will win the next election too because people forget too easily. They think a change of leader means a change of policy. |
If Ben Wallace can survive the initial selection process and still be running when the final choice is made by party members he should walk it. |  |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 19:26 - Jul 8 with 954 views | gtsb1966 |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 19:12 - Jul 8 by Pinewoodblue |
If Ben Wallace can survive the initial selection process and still be running when the final choice is made by party members he should walk it. |
And unfortunately he would win the next General election too. Its so bloody obvious. I've nothing against Starmer and would vote for him but as I've said before he just doesn't resonate with the British public and unfortunately we have too many people who see charisma alone as their sole reason to vote for a party. Years ago unless you watched the news or bought a newspaper you had little knowledge of politics and politicians. Sadly today social media is so powerful even the obvious lie will get through to the dumbest in society who have no knowledge or interest in a party's manifesto.Harsh maybe but true. | | | |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 19:29 - Jul 8 with 946 views | Churchman |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 19:12 - Jul 8 by Pinewoodblue |
If Ben Wallace can survive the initial selection process and still be running when the final choice is made by party members he should walk it. |
I think he is their best choice, providing he’s not had his hands in the rouble bag.
Given the dangers posed by Russia, a leader that has a vague understanding of defence might be helpful. |  | | |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 21:03 - Jul 8 with 898 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 19:26 - Jul 8 by gtsb1966 |
And unfortunately he would win the next General election too. Its so bloody obvious. I've nothing against Starmer and would vote for him but as I've said before he just doesn't resonate with the British public and unfortunately we have too many people who see charisma alone as their sole reason to vote for a party. Years ago unless you watched the news or bought a newspaper you had little knowledge of politics and politicians. Sadly today social media is so powerful even the obvious lie will get through to the dumbest in society who have no knowledge or interest in a party's manifesto.Harsh maybe but true. |
In the unlikely event we still have a Tory government after the next election it will be because Labour failed to get the right message over.
The warning signs were clearly visible in the two recent by elections . A monumental effort by Lib Dems to over turn a massive Tory majority while in Wakefield, for all the effort Labour put in, less than 40% of the electorate bothered to vote. Worrying. | |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 22:03 - Jul 8 with 848 views | Swansea_Blue |
FFS. Mad as a box of frogs, the lot of them.
(It won’t be dishy Rishi, he’s blotted his copy book, is a potential open goal for the opposition and also a wet lettuce). [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 22:24]
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 22:20 - Jul 8 with 841 views | bluelagos |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 22:03 - Jul 8 by Swansea_Blue |
FFS. Mad as a box of frogs, the lot of them.
(It won’t be dishy Rishi, he’s blotted his copy book, is a potential open goal for the opposition and also a wet lettuce). [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 22:24]
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Only stumbled on the news article when trying to work out why #gonads was trending tonight. |  |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 22:23 - Jul 8 with 838 views | Swansea_Blue |
Just seen his pitch, massive lol. Is he deliberately trolling us, teasing people with how his grandmother was able to come here and find a job? She wouldn’t get a visa under the government Sunak served in without a job offer. Her family wouldn’t then be able to join her here 12 months later either.
Utterly tone deaf and unaware or, more likely, a disingenuous a-hole. You’d think people aren’t stupid enough to fall for it, but we’ve seen plenty of evidence the last 6 years that they’re plenty daft enough, especially amongst the Party ranks.
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 22:43 - Jul 8 with 827 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 22:23 - Jul 8 by Swansea_Blue |
Just seen his pitch, massive lol. Is he deliberately trolling us, teasing people with how his grandmother was able to come here and find a job? She wouldn’t get a visa under the government Sunak served in without a job offer. Her family wouldn’t then be able to join her here 12 months later either.
Utterly tone deaf and unaware or, more likely, a disingenuous a-hole. You’d think people aren’t stupid enough to fall for it, but we’ve seen plenty of evidence the last 6 years that they’re plenty daft enough, especially amongst the Party ranks.
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Knocked that all up in the last few days too of course… |  | | |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 23:09 - Jul 8 with 803 views | Ely_Blue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 16:45 - Jul 8 by hoppy |
You misspelt (Tom). |
And Rishi |  |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 23:16 - Jul 8 with 795 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 17:45 - Jul 8 by Churchman |
What they should do is stop anyone standing who:
1. Took donations from an oligarch or kleptocrat - or any other dodgy source
2. Was fined for getting the beers in during lockdown when everyone else sacrificed seeing loved ones, including when they were needed
3. Was involved in any dodgy contracts issued during the pandemic
4. Took a job offered by Johnson
5. Didn’t vote for his removal when they tried to ditch him
6. Supported him after the lockdown party scandal
I reckon that’ll leave Larry the No 10 cat for the top job with Gladstone the Treasury cat as Chancellor. I’ve met Gladstone and he’s very pleasant. Clever too. Certainly a better option to manage the nations finances than teeth and crocodile smile Sunak. [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 17:45]
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I hope Gladstone is a bit more competent with taxes than 'Arry's dog was. Although, then again, don't we have a recent tradition of the Chancellor avoiding tax? |  |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 23:16 - Jul 8 with 795 views | Ely_Blue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 18:29 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
"Not sure the grassroots will be overly keen on a PM who .... is brown"
Because that is what it will come down to for a huge number of Tories.
This also blows another hole in the myth of PR. This will be decided by a number of Tory MP s who will select the final two - who will make all the noises to play to their bigoted voters, only. That would be the case with PR.
The problem they face is if they continue their slide to the right they will simply retain the swivel eyed vote, but lose the centre ground which is lost a fair amount to the Libdems already
Move to the centre and they will lose votes to what ever Farage sets up...BigotsRUS, and/ir the latest incarnation of the NF,BNP, EDL,YKIP etc.
As an outsider I would go for Hunt J to make the final two. However I suspect it will cause a spilt among the bigots, whichever way it goes.
Worth noting todays poll
Con 29 - 221 sears
Lab 40 - 338 seats
that is without tactical voting, which is estimated loses the Tories 30/40 seats |
Well it will be interesting re your point about the grass roots tortes not voting for “someone who is brown” if the last 2 left standing are any 2 from Rishi, Javid & Zahawi! | |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 23:21 - Jul 8 with 785 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 21:03 - Jul 8 by Pinewoodblue |
In the unlikely event we still have a Tory government after the next election it will be because Labour failed to get the right message over.
The warning signs were clearly visible in the two recent by elections . A monumental effort by Lib Dems to over turn a massive Tory majority while in Wakefield, for all the effort Labour put in, less than 40% of the electorate bothered to vote. Worrying. |
This is the biggest issue. For whatever reasons, 60% of those entitled to vote are not turning out and are effectively enabling the status quo.
Reaching those who don't vote and persuading them that there is a better alternative is a massive challenge/opportunity for the opposition parties. | |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 06:25 - Jul 9 with 686 views | solomon |
Rory Stewart, if only you hadn’t quit. |  | | |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 06:50 - Jul 9 with 682 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 06:25 - Jul 9 by solomon |
Rory Stewart, if only you hadn’t quit. |
He didn’t quit. He was deselected by Johnson. Along with David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and even Churchill’s grandson FFS. |  |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 06:55 - Jul 9 with 676 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 18:29 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
"Not sure the grassroots will be overly keen on a PM who .... is brown"
Because that is what it will come down to for a huge number of Tories.
This also blows another hole in the myth of PR. This will be decided by a number of Tory MP s who will select the final two - who will make all the noises to play to their bigoted voters, only. That would be the case with PR.
The problem they face is if they continue their slide to the right they will simply retain the swivel eyed vote, but lose the centre ground which is lost a fair amount to the Libdems already
Move to the centre and they will lose votes to what ever Farage sets up...BigotsRUS, and/ir the latest incarnation of the NF,BNP, EDL,YKIP etc.
As an outsider I would go for Hunt J to make the final two. However I suspect it will cause a spilt among the bigots, whichever way it goes.
Worth noting todays poll
Con 29 - 221 sears
Lab 40 - 338 seats
that is without tactical voting, which is estimated loses the Tories 30/40 seats |
‘Not sure the grassroots will be overly keen on a PM who .... is brown"
Here’s a “brown” man explains why your comment is extremely problematic Harry.
sadly, over the next few weeks Sunak, Suella Braverman and Nadhim Zahawi and any other BAME Tory M.P.’s who throw their hat into the ring fur the leadership are going to be constantly reminded by people like you that they are not quite one of us. [Post edited 9 Jul 2022 7:07]
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 07:48 - Jul 9 with 652 views | solomon |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 06:50 - Jul 9 by GlasgowBlue |
He didn’t quit. He was deselected by Johnson. Along with David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and even Churchill’s grandson FFS. |
Would still be a good choice though | | | |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 07:57 - Jul 9 with 646 views | DanTheMan |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 06:50 - Jul 9 by GlasgowBlue |
He didn’t quit. He was deselected by Johnson. Along with David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and even Churchill’s grandson FFS. |
It's a shame. I doubt I have too much in common with Rory Stewart but he at least seemed like he had a backbone and was serious about things.
I imagine it's going to end up as Ben Wallace which doesn't leave me particularly happy but he's the obvious choice.
One of the things I'd like the most out of any potential candidate (and it's niche) is their position on how serious they are about tackling climate change. Outside of a few platitudes from all the current leading candidates I can find nothing to suggest they particularly care about it. |  |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 08:06 - Jul 9 with 634 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 22:43 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
Knocked that all up in the last few days too of course… |
I don’t know whether there’s any truth to it as it was the Mail and Express reporting it, but they reckoned Lynton Crosby has been helping Zahawi plan his leadership bid for months. Another one who wants to pull the ladder up behind him. | |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 08:07 - Jul 9 with 634 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 23:21 - Jul 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This is the biggest issue. For whatever reasons, 60% of those entitled to vote are not turning out and are effectively enabling the status quo.
Reaching those who don't vote and persuading them that there is a better alternative is a massive challenge/opportunity for the opposition parties. |
You are missing the point. LibDems won because they got people to vote. Labour, for all their bluster, only won because those who had voted Tory at the General Election stayed away.
Come the GE those Tory voters aren’t going to abstain. There needs to be a realistic alternative with clear achievable policies and strong leadership If Labour are to get a majority. | |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 08:16 - Jul 9 with 620 views | Dubtractor |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 06:55 - Jul 9 by GlasgowBlue |
‘Not sure the grassroots will be overly keen on a PM who .... is brown"
Here’s a “brown” man explains why your comment is extremely problematic Harry.
sadly, over the next few weeks Sunak, Suella Braverman and Nadhim Zahawi and any other BAME Tory M.P.’s who throw their hat into the ring fur the leadership are going to be constantly reminded by people like you that they are not quite one of us. [Post edited 9 Jul 2022 7:07]
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That was an awful tweet from Maugham, and he's gone down in my estimation because of it. Even his correction later didn't really make it better, when a straight up apology would have been the right thing to do.
This government is bloody awful in so many ways, but the cabinet is as diverse as I can remember so accusations of racism are miles off. |  |
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 08:16 - Jul 9 with 616 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 07:57 - Jul 9 by DanTheMan |
It's a shame. I doubt I have too much in common with Rory Stewart but he at least seemed like he had a backbone and was serious about things.
I imagine it's going to end up as Ben Wallace which doesn't leave me particularly happy but he's the obvious choice.
One of the things I'd like the most out of any potential candidate (and it's niche) is their position on how serious they are about tackling climate change. Outside of a few platitudes from all the current leading candidates I can find nothing to suggest they particularly care about it. |
You should read his books and listen to his podcast with Alistair Campbell. You’ll find you probably have more in common than you realise.
Especially his endless humanitarian work which he does for no financial reward, his views on prison reform, how we should have handled Covid and Brexit.
This country would be in a lot better shape had he won in 2019. [Post edited 9 Jul 2022 8:17]
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| Sunak for PM then.... on 08:17 - Jul 9 with 609 views | DanTheMan |
| Sunak for PM then.... on 08:16 - Jul 9 by Dubtractor |
That was an awful tweet from Maugham, and he's gone down in my estimation because of it. Even his correction later didn't really make it better, when a straight up apology would have been the right thing to do.
This government is bloody awful in so many ways, but the cabinet is as diverse as I can remember so accusations of racism are miles off. |
I'm with you, generally been supportive of Maugham but that's an awful thing to say and especially not to just apologise for. | |
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