| Actively looking to Emigrate now 11:57 - Sep 27 with 14998 views | hype313 |
Both myself and my partner have discussed it for a few years and now we are both at the point where we think its time to leave blighty, can't believe we stuck around the past 6-7 years and looking forward, it's grim, even if Labour get in in 2024.
Both kids are in early stages at school so minimal disruption there, the only thing I'll miss is going to PR every other week, but that's it, and certainly not a strong enough pull to keep us here.
Sad state of affairs, but just can't see a promising future in this country for us or our children. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:57 - Sep 27 with 2180 views | hype313 |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:51 - Sep 27 by urbanblue |
Not sure when you lived in Australia, but things have changed here a lot over the past few years too, and not for the better. I'm sure your family here will have kept you updated on things though.
Then again, there are problems all over the world at the moment.
I have to say some of the stuff going on in Canada sounds far worse. |
I lived on the Outskirts of Brisbane (Everton Park) for a year and then Manly for 18 Months, but yes, we know Australia isn't the land of milk and honey, I get that, but then nowhere is to be honest.
But the UK is a basket case, and I say that with a heavy heart, the future looks incredibly bleak, and were thinking about our children more than ourselves. | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:58 - Sep 27 with 2170 views | hype313 |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:50 - Sep 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Do it sooner rather than later would be my advice. Personally I wouldn’t touch Australia with a barge pole, nor Singapore unless working short term - but my sister went to Vancouver and never regretted it for an instant. If your Canadian office is in Toronto etc you might want to think twice - hellishly humid in summer and perishingly cold in winter.
If you can work from home you might want to consider somewhere closer and more civilised - France for example |
My Cousin lives on Vancouver Island and it it's one of the most amazing places I have visited, our office's are based in Toronto and Montreal. | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:01 - Sep 27 with 2139 views | hype313 |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:25 - Sep 27 by PhilTWTD |
An old friend of mine moved to Malta post-Brexit. |
Funnily enough, a friend of mine also made the move to Malta post Brexit and set up a paddle boarding school, he's absolutely loving it. | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:03 - Sep 27 with 2115 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:57 - Sep 27 by clive_baker |
There isn't a cat in hells chance I would live in Toronto. Expensive, horrible climate, busy, nothing particularly notable about it culturally, not especially nice to look at. Would sooner live in Montreal if you're that side of Canada but wouldn't move there either.
I missed British climate for sure, love having 4 distinct seasons and seeing them change. Missed our pub culture too, in any of those seasons. Can't beat a nice old pub, fire lit, few pints, days at the football etc. Or beer garden vibes in summer.
Agree France might be an option but Paris is horrible in parts now. Get down South and you might be on to a winner, also easy to visit the UK.
Maybe a move to a different part of the UK might help the OP. Friend of mine has recently gone up to Scotland and is enjoying it. |
Good point about moving within the UK. My niece has recently sold up in London and has gone to Scotland - the kids love it. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:03 - Sep 27 with 2109 views | chicoazul |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:11 - Sep 27 by hype313 |
Deep. |
I’ve lived and worked in 3 countries as well as here. All I’m saying is, look inwards before looking outwards. Otherwise you just take your problems with you. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:04 - Sep 27 with 2105 views | hype313 |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:57 - Sep 27 by clive_baker |
There isn't a cat in hells chance I would live in Toronto. Expensive, horrible climate, busy, nothing particularly notable about it culturally, not especially nice to look at. Would sooner live in Montreal if you're that side of Canada but wouldn't move there either.
I missed British climate for sure, love having 4 distinct seasons and seeing them change. Missed our pub culture too, in any of those seasons. Can't beat a nice old pub, fire lit, few pints, days at the football etc. Or beer garden vibes in summer.
Agree France might be an option but Paris is horrible in parts now. Get down South and you might be on to a winner, also easy to visit the UK.
Maybe a move to a different part of the UK might help the OP. Friend of mine has recently gone up to Scotland and is enjoying it. |
Where are you based Clive? | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:12 - Sep 27 with 2054 views | clive_baker |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:04 - Sep 27 by hype313 |
Where are you based Clive? |
Right now I'm in not so sunny Suffolk again, I deemed it the right place to raise my little ones and the wife is loving being 'in the sticks' as she grew up in Ireland and sees similarities. But at different times I've lived in Durham, Bristol, New York, London, Toronto, London again, Zurich. Also spent 6 months in Spain at one point with work.
I'm a bit of a nomad, but being back where I grew up is nice, gives me some roots again which I'm appreciating. Agree with your assessment of the UK right now, it's bleak. If I were an alien from another planet, with no context or links to Earth, I sure wouldn't pick Suffolk. I wouldn't pick the UK at all, and if I did it wouldn't be Suffolk. But, alas, that's not the scenario is it, parents aren't getting any younger etc and having them close is nice.
For me there's only one place that's ever truly felt like home, but that's a reflection on me rather than the places I've lived. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:18 - Sep 27 with 2031 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Ironic that Truss and cronies have looked to help the wealthiest of the population, yet these are the people most able and likely to leave as they see their assets crashing.
Not suggesting you are in this bracket, but a wider observation of the insanity of the situation. | | | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:22 - Sep 27 with 2008 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:01 - Sep 27 by hype313 |
We both work for organisations that have offices in Singapore, Canada, Australia, and have had positive initial discussion with all three offices.
Won't be an overnight move, but we're putting plans together. |
Canada is an amazing country. I came very close to moving there and had done all of the research.
5 years qualification for citizenship (you can complete in less than that if you stay in Canada for 3.5 years total in a 5 year period I think) which you can hold as Joint Citizenship with British. Which then gives you the right to travel throughout USA visa free, and even live there if you want to. This makes joint British-Canadian citizenship the best gift you could give your kids, in my opinion.
Toronto is a fantastic, world class, city. Hot summers, much colder than UK winters, mind.
Kingston along the lake from there is a lovely University small city/decent sized town.
Vancouver has less extreme weather patterns than most of Canada, and is more akin to Manchester for climate (more rain than snow).
Calgary isn't quite as good as those two, but has the stunning Banff and Jasper Natonal Parks only an hour away. Wealthier, oil and gas and cowboys!
Montreal is French Canada. Interesting to visit, but had an edginess that I didn't find in the other Canadian cities- and not in a good way.
Not been to Edmonton or Ottawa, or the Eastern Provinces.
Maybe watch the Griff Rhys Jones series on All4 (something like Griff's Canadian Adventure) or Portillo's Railroads to give yourself more of a feel for the different regions and cities?
It's an active, outdoor lifestyle. Positive, friendly people. Diverse and open, and a relatively young demographic.
Vancouver and Toronto house prices are high, but the other cities work out cheaper than you would expect for similar accommodation in similar areas of major British cities (at least that was the case 3 years ago, but devaluation of the pound means that if you have a property to sell, you will get quite a bit less).
If I was at your life-stage I would go in a heartbeat.
Not been to Australia or Singapore, but have friends who raved about living in Melbourne and others who liked Singapore, but I think you need either a determination to integrate fully or to be completely content with ex-pat life to live there. | | | |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:23 - Sep 27 with 1998 views | jeera |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:03 - Sep 27 by chicoazul |
I’ve lived and worked in 3 countries as well as here. All I’m saying is, look inwards before looking outwards. Otherwise you just take your problems with you. |
Well given the reasons he listed earlier in the thread I'm not sure that works. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:25 - Sep 27 with 1992 views | WeWereZombies |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:57 - Sep 27 by clive_baker |
There isn't a cat in hells chance I would live in Toronto. Expensive, horrible climate, busy, nothing particularly notable about it culturally, not especially nice to look at. Would sooner live in Montreal if you're that side of Canada but wouldn't move there either.
I missed British climate for sure, love having 4 distinct seasons and seeing them change. Missed our pub culture too, in any of those seasons. Can't beat a nice old pub, fire lit, few pints, days at the football etc. Or beer garden vibes in summer.
Agree France might be an option but Paris is horrible in parts now. Get down South and you might be on to a winner, also easy to visit the UK.
Maybe a move to a different part of the UK might help the OP. Friend of mine has recently gone up to Scotland and is enjoying it. |
I was house hunting around Carcassonne for a year or so a while back (seventeen year ago now I come to think about it) but didn't go through with a move in the end. On reflection I am quite glad i didn't and not just because of Brexit (or my poor French, which nevertheless has been praised by a couple of French hitch hikers when I have given them lifts in Scotland, I think they just liked not having to speak English all the time.) I think you have to work really hard at joining in to avoid becoming a 'marginal'. I see this as less of a problem in Scotland where I live now, you can jump from being viewed as a scruff to a toff in the blink of an eye, and understand it and why it has happened just as quickly - there is still the language problem though...
[edit] And I forgot the real reason for replying as I went off at a tangent, there have been some extreme instances of prolonged heatwaves in Southern France in recent years (with scandals surrounding elderly people being left unattended and dying.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:28 - Sep 27 with 1970 views | Kieran_Knows |
Not so much emigrate, but I wish in my younger years I moved to another country (would've loved to have moved to Germany) for a year or 2, just to experience another country/culture other than for holidays/weekends away. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:33 - Sep 27 with 1924 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Quitter! 
The fun is only just starting and it's going global. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:38 - Sep 27 with 1895 views | Ryorry |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:33 - Sep 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Quitter!
The fun is only just starting and it's going global. |
You do have a point there (Italy's election just now on top of others; climate change of course) - but right now, I think UK does have to take the wooden spoon for the ultimate #PerfectSh1tstorm.
Perhaps that might also make us the first to really shake things up & turn it around in a good way? 🙠|  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:45 - Sep 27 with 1873 views | Daninthecampo |
I moved out to Spain 5 years ago this weekend, the best decision we ever made, You will be surprised how little you miss the UK. I only really miss a good traditional Pub(although there aren't many of those left these days) watching ITFC and of course friends and family is a given but they can come out to see you for free holidays.
Having also worked for short periods in the Caribbean I fully appreciate moving long haul is a much bigger issue than short haul although at least in Canada and Oz you don't have to worry about learning a new language etc.
The UK is a total mess and getting worse, it's a laughing stock if you live out of the UK.
Do it, you wont regret it! | | | |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:47 - Sep 27 with 1860 views | blueasfook |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:45 - Sep 27 by Daninthecampo |
I moved out to Spain 5 years ago this weekend, the best decision we ever made, You will be surprised how little you miss the UK. I only really miss a good traditional Pub(although there aren't many of those left these days) watching ITFC and of course friends and family is a given but they can come out to see you for free holidays.
Having also worked for short periods in the Caribbean I fully appreciate moving long haul is a much bigger issue than short haul although at least in Canada and Oz you don't have to worry about learning a new language etc.
The UK is a total mess and getting worse, it's a laughing stock if you live out of the UK.
Do it, you wont regret it! |
I lived in Spain for a couple of years back in the 90s. Loved it. Great climate, relaxed way of life, sexy senoritas. My plan is to retire to Spain or Canary Islands. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:48 - Sep 27 with 1844 views | hype313 |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:18 - Sep 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Ironic that Truss and cronies have looked to help the wealthiest of the population, yet these are the people most able and likely to leave as they see their assets crashing.
Not suggesting you are in this bracket, but a wider observation of the insanity of the situation. |
I wish! | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:49 - Sep 27 with 1838 views | chicoazul |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:23 - Sep 27 by jeera |
Well given the reasons he listed earlier in the thread I'm not sure that works. |
It sounds like OP wants a new start and better life chances for his children. I say, rather than trying to change external things like where you live, first interrogate yourself. What do you really want? If you want your children to have for eg better life chances there is hardly anything in the world that can beat being raised in the UK, other than for eg being immensely wealthy. Life in Germany France Ireland and Canada are much of a muchness to here.
Wherever you go, you’re still you, and you bring that you-baggage with you. | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:51 - Sep 27 with 1823 views | hype313 |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:03 - Sep 27 by chicoazul |
I’ve lived and worked in 3 countries as well as here. All I’m saying is, look inwards before looking outwards. Otherwise you just take your problems with you. |
My problems aren't personal, as I outlined, it's more about the state of the UK now and going forward, and what opportunities it may or may not give my kids (the latter from what I can see)
This is about them more than myself and my wife. | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:54 - Sep 27 with 1822 views | bungaytractor |
Things arent so bad here and no guarantee's that there better abroad either
Alot of bad news around but reason people still want to live in blighty..... | | | |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:55 - Sep 27 with 1816 views | Ryorry |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:49 - Sep 27 by chicoazul |
It sounds like OP wants a new start and better life chances for his children. I say, rather than trying to change external things like where you live, first interrogate yourself. What do you really want? If you want your children to have for eg better life chances there is hardly anything in the world that can beat being raised in the UK, other than for eg being immensely wealthy. Life in Germany France Ireland and Canada are much of a muchness to here.
Wherever you go, you’re still you, and you bring that you-baggage with you. |
Quite apart from your patronising tone, your comment -"Life in Germany France Ireland and Canada are much of a muchness to here" is just laughable. | |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:57 - Sep 27 with 1801 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 12:50 - Sep 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Do it sooner rather than later would be my advice. Personally I wouldn’t touch Australia with a barge pole, nor Singapore unless working short term - but my sister went to Vancouver and never regretted it for an instant. If your Canadian office is in Toronto etc you might want to think twice - hellishly humid in summer and perishingly cold in winter.
If you can work from home you might want to consider somewhere closer and more civilised - France for example |
Is it even possible anymore to just casually decide to move to France?
I did hear a few months ago that most places in France will make it fairly easy for you to get a Residency Card and work permit if you have a job there, but surely post-Brexit otherwise it is not possible. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:57 - Sep 27 with 1794 views | Swansea_Blue |
When I was younger, I found a good balance working overseas for about 3-4 months of the year. I'd spend anything up to 6 weeks at a time away. It was great in breaking up the monotony and routine at home, gave you experiences of being somewhere new but with none of the issues over commitment. It worked really well when i was single, but can imagine I'd lose my testivals if I tried that theses days!
Having said that, if it wasn't for the missus being wedded to Wales, I'd certainly look at relocating. |  |
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| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 14:05 - Sep 27 with 1729 views | bungaytractor |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:57 - Sep 27 by Swansea_Blue |
When I was younger, I found a good balance working overseas for about 3-4 months of the year. I'd spend anything up to 6 weeks at a time away. It was great in breaking up the monotony and routine at home, gave you experiences of being somewhere new but with none of the issues over commitment. It worked really well when i was single, but can imagine I'd lose my testivals if I tried that theses days!
Having said that, if it wasn't for the missus being wedded to Wales, I'd certainly look at relocating. |
Same used to do summer work overseas on the isle of wight but always good to get home again ..... 👠| | | |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 14:20 - Sep 27 with 1688 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Actively looking to Emigrate now on 13:51 - Sep 27 by hype313 |
My problems aren't personal, as I outlined, it's more about the state of the UK now and going forward, and what opportunities it may or may not give my kids (the latter from what I can see)
This is about them more than myself and my wife. |
As Zombies suggests, look at Scotland.
In terms of opportunities for your kids:
1 University tuition is free. That's a 30 grand plus saving on the student loan.
2 There is a possibility of independence and rejoining the EU. I would put it as less than 50-50 in the next 10 years, but possible. So your kids could regain Freedom of Movement.
3 The countryside is beautiful and varied. An outdoor lifestyle is possible. Walking, running, climbing, biking, camping, swimming. Head North and wintersports are on the doorstep.
4 Glasgow is easily the equal of cities like Manchester or Birmingham. Edinburgh has everything that a world class cultural capital has, plus the seaside on the doorstep. Both are truly international cities, with diversity and a flow of ideas, creativity and life.
5 House prices are way cheaper than in England. If you aren't on the ladder, it will become a possibility- if you are then you will be able to buy much more with your capital. Which gives more space or a better lifestyle location for you and your family.
If you both can work up here then consider it! | | | |
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