| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 09:35 - Nov 9 with 28988 views | gtsb1966 |
Just trying to earn a living. Enough is enough. Time to get heavy with this lot. |  | | |  |
| It's better on here if.... on 14:07 - Nov 14 with 2252 views | Bloots |
| The problem is…. on 14:05 - Nov 14 by unbelievablue |
Was better on here when you ignored each other, I think. |
....everyone ignores each other. |  |
| "Great to see you back on here mate, I was considering deactivating my account if you hadn’t returned" - TWTD User (Aug 2025) |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 14:26 - Nov 14 with 2206 views | monytowbray |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 20:56 - Nov 13 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I only usually browse on here during weekends when we play, as I have a job. However, when I see an 8 pager still on the forums first page I can always guess posters like you and Callis will be in fine angry form. Thanks for checking back in on it yourself though! |
I posted once so dunno why you’re name dropping me Trumpty Dumpty. |  |
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| The problem is…. on 14:29 - Nov 14 with 2206 views | Darth_Koont |
| The problem is…. on 14:05 - Nov 14 by unbelievablue |
Was better on here when you ignored each other, I think. |
Better for who?
I’m not going to ignore his smeary lies and disingenuous posting. Why should anyone let that go unchallenged on a public forum? |  |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 14:43 - Nov 14 with 2172 views | Bloots |
| The problem is…. on 14:29 - Nov 14 by Darth_Koont |
Better for who?
I’m not going to ignore his smeary lies and disingenuous posting. Why should anyone let that go unchallenged on a public forum? |
....it's a members forum.
The moderators decide the members and decide the rules.
(well, plus a select few trusted members obviously)
So you all need to watch your step, it's not a free for all. | |
| "Great to see you back on here mate, I was considering deactivating my account if you hadn’t returned" - TWTD User (Aug 2025) |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 14:49 - Nov 14 with 2153 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's not a public forum.... on 14:43 - Nov 14 by Bloots |
....it's a members forum.
The moderators decide the members and decide the rules.
(well, plus a select few trusted members obviously)
So you all need to watch your step, it's not a free for all. |
Yes, but it’s still a public forum.
And I don’t think weaponising issues and lying to win the game of politics does the forum any good. The vast majority of discussions around politics on here are interesting, honest and informative and need to remain so. | |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 15:37 - Nov 14 with 2112 views | unbelievablue |
| It's not a public forum.... on 14:49 - Nov 14 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, but it’s still a public forum.
And I don’t think weaponising issues and lying to win the game of politics does the forum any good. The vast majority of discussions around politics on here are interesting, honest and informative and need to remain so. |
The vast majority of discussions around politics end up with you and him slagging each other off about the same thing. |  |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 16:00 - Nov 14 with 2092 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's not a public forum.... on 15:37 - Nov 14 by unbelievablue |
The vast majority of discussions around politics end up with you and him slagging each other off about the same thing. |
Look, if he keeps posting disingenuous and smeary bobbins I'll keep pulling him up for it. I'm not going to ignore it or nod along to it, nor should anyone. | |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 16:23 - Nov 14 with 2059 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:00 - Nov 14 by Darth_Koont |
Look, if he keeps posting disingenuous and smeary bobbins I'll keep pulling him up for it. I'm not going to ignore it or nod along to it, nor should anyone. |
perhaps you'd like to point out where my "disingenuous and smeary bobbins" and my "smeary lies and disingenuous posting" that you had to challenge on this thread.
I posted a tweet from a British Jew, Daniel Sugarman, complaining about the Stop Oil protesters comparing themselves to those who hid Anne Frank.
Your first thought was to attack that Jewish person and then go on a deranged rant against the Campaign Against Antisemitism, the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Labour Movement and Labour against Antisemitism. None of whom were mentioned by anybody ese in this thread.
Look we know that you have a history of supporting anti semites and repeating their antisemitism on here (Your Chris Williamson and Pete Willsman posts are still available for public view), but how about letting Jews be offended when people use somebody like Anne Frank as a political football. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 16:25]
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| It's not a public forum.... on 16:33 - Nov 14 with 2046 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:23 - Nov 14 by GlasgowBlue |
perhaps you'd like to point out where my "disingenuous and smeary bobbins" and my "smeary lies and disingenuous posting" that you had to challenge on this thread.
I posted a tweet from a British Jew, Daniel Sugarman, complaining about the Stop Oil protesters comparing themselves to those who hid Anne Frank.
Your first thought was to attack that Jewish person and then go on a deranged rant against the Campaign Against Antisemitism, the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Labour Movement and Labour against Antisemitism. None of whom were mentioned by anybody ese in this thread.
Look we know that you have a history of supporting anti semites and repeating their antisemitism on here (Your Chris Williamson and Pete Willsman posts are still available for public view), but how about letting Jews be offended when people use somebody like Anne Frank as a political football. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 16:25]
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Sugarman was being an absolute t*** in what he was saying about JSO though. Just because he's Jewish, and British, doesn't prevent him from having a stupid opinion.
JSO's point was that sometimes good people have to break bad laws, which fundamentally was correct even if some found it insensitive. That morality and legality don't always coincide. That was as far as the comparison went, and they also quoted other examples of resistance. It was a fundamentally correct analogy. |  |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 16:43 - Nov 14 with 2016 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:33 - Nov 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Sugarman was being an absolute t*** in what he was saying about JSO though. Just because he's Jewish, and British, doesn't prevent him from having a stupid opinion.
JSO's point was that sometimes good people have to break bad laws, which fundamentally was correct even if some found it insensitive. That morality and legality don't always coincide. That was as far as the comparison went, and they also quoted other examples of resistance. It was a fundamentally correct analogy. |
And you are perfectly entitled to think his his opinion is stupid. Then again, you haven't followed up that view with a deranged rant against the Campaign Against Antisemitism, the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Labour Movement and Labour against Antisemitism or have a history of engaging in antisemitic conspiracy theories.
I disagree with you though. I believe that had they compare themselves to Rosa Parks, MLK or the people who helped slaves along the escape lines from the South to the north of the USA, there would have been similar anger amongst some black people. And most sensible people would have understood why it could be offensive.
I usually make it a rule to let those who have been on the end of persecution decide what they should be offended about when people invoke their shared traumatic history.
Dan made the most sensible reply to Sugarman's tweet. That should have been the end of it.
The problem is…. by DanTheMan 11 Nov 2022 9:28Again they're making a valid point in the worst way possible.
All they had to say is that equating morality with lawfulness doesn't make sense and that plenty of people have been arrested and put in jail for the greater good.
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| It's not a public forum.... on 16:48 - Nov 14 with 2021 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:23 - Nov 14 by GlasgowBlue |
perhaps you'd like to point out where my "disingenuous and smeary bobbins" and my "smeary lies and disingenuous posting" that you had to challenge on this thread.
I posted a tweet from a British Jew, Daniel Sugarman, complaining about the Stop Oil protesters comparing themselves to those who hid Anne Frank.
Your first thought was to attack that Jewish person and then go on a deranged rant against the Campaign Against Antisemitism, the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Labour Movement and Labour against Antisemitism. None of whom were mentioned by anybody ese in this thread.
Look we know that you have a history of supporting anti semites and repeating their antisemitism on here (Your Chris Williamson and Pete Willsman posts are still available for public view), but how about letting Jews be offended when people use somebody like Anne Frank as a political football. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 16:25]
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Well, a simple "Just Stop oil frank" twitter search gave up the usual cranky suspects. And pretty much only them, because you need to be a crank to push such a disingenuous framing of the tweet.
You both have a hard-on for the left. Let's not pretend otherwise. But you clearly don't know when you've gone into loon territory.
You did exactly the same with BLM and pushing your Middle Class White Boys nonsense from weapons like Andy Ngo and Maajid Nawaz. And I'm sure you'll keep doing it because that's all you know.
And no, I don't have a history of supporting antisemites. I do have a history of supporting people who say things that are true and defending them against the worst accusations that are your stock in trade. That always ensures you then smear me as being antisemitic or repeating antisemitism but see above.
Here's an idea – just stop it. | |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 16:52 - Nov 14 with 2009 views | DJR |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:43 - Nov 14 by GlasgowBlue |
And you are perfectly entitled to think his his opinion is stupid. Then again, you haven't followed up that view with a deranged rant against the Campaign Against Antisemitism, the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Labour Movement and Labour against Antisemitism or have a history of engaging in antisemitic conspiracy theories.
I disagree with you though. I believe that had they compare themselves to Rosa Parks, MLK or the people who helped slaves along the escape lines from the South to the north of the USA, there would have been similar anger amongst some black people. And most sensible people would have understood why it could be offensive.
I usually make it a rule to let those who have been on the end of persecution decide what they should be offended about when people invoke their shared traumatic history.
Dan made the most sensible reply to Sugarman's tweet. That should have been the end of it.
The problem is…. by DanTheMan 11 Nov 2022 9:28Again they're making a valid point in the worst way possible.
All they had to say is that equating morality with lawfulness doesn't make sense and that plenty of people have been arrested and put in jail for the greater good.
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As an aside on antisemitism (in the Labour Party), I thought you be interested to know that I know both one of the Jewish founders of Jewish Voice for Labour, and Euan Philipps (who is not Jewish) who set up and runs Labour Against Antisemitism. It's a small world.
But I don't want this post to be an excuse for condemnation of either body. |  | | |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:54 - Nov 14 with 2003 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:43 - Nov 14 by GlasgowBlue |
And you are perfectly entitled to think his his opinion is stupid. Then again, you haven't followed up that view with a deranged rant against the Campaign Against Antisemitism, the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Labour Movement and Labour against Antisemitism or have a history of engaging in antisemitic conspiracy theories.
I disagree with you though. I believe that had they compare themselves to Rosa Parks, MLK or the people who helped slaves along the escape lines from the South to the north of the USA, there would have been similar anger amongst some black people. And most sensible people would have understood why it could be offensive.
I usually make it a rule to let those who have been on the end of persecution decide what they should be offended about when people invoke their shared traumatic history.
Dan made the most sensible reply to Sugarman's tweet. That should have been the end of it.
The problem is…. by DanTheMan 11 Nov 2022 9:28Again they're making a valid point in the worst way possible.
All they had to say is that equating morality with lawfulness doesn't make sense and that plenty of people have been arrested and put in jail for the greater good.
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Clumsy and naive comparison maybe, but it was never an intentional dig specifically against Jewish people. Sugarman's reply wasn't proportional imo and is just deflecting from a very important message (possibly the most important message people everywhere need to hear).
So yes, I agree with Dan's response. Had JSO focused on the point without the analogy it would have been better for all involved. They didn't of course, but we can chose to do so. I suspect Mr Sugarman doesn't like the point, based on his accusation of them "cosplaying", but could be wrong. | |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 17:12 - Nov 14 with 1969 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's not a public forum.... on 16:48 - Nov 14 by Darth_Koont |
Well, a simple "Just Stop oil frank" twitter search gave up the usual cranky suspects. And pretty much only them, because you need to be a crank to push such a disingenuous framing of the tweet.
You both have a hard-on for the left. Let's not pretend otherwise. But you clearly don't know when you've gone into loon territory.
You did exactly the same with BLM and pushing your Middle Class White Boys nonsense from weapons like Andy Ngo and Maajid Nawaz. And I'm sure you'll keep doing it because that's all you know.
And no, I don't have a history of supporting antisemites. I do have a history of supporting people who say things that are true and defending them against the worst accusations that are your stock in trade. That always ensures you then smear me as being antisemitic or repeating antisemitism but see above.
Here's an idea – just stop it. |
"I don't have a history of supporting antisemites. I do have a history of supporting people who say things that are true and defending them against the worst accusations that are your stock in trade"
Hmmmmmmm.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/459669/page:1 | |
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| It's not a public forum.... on 17:18 - Nov 14 with 1967 views | Darth_Koont |
| It's not a public forum.... on 17:12 - Nov 14 by GlasgowBlue |
"I don't have a history of supporting antisemites. I do have a history of supporting people who say things that are true and defending them against the worst accusations that are your stock in trade"
Hmmmmmmm.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/459669/page:1 |
I've already done this on several occasions with you. Just read what I wrote on that thread and the subsequent ones.
Did you try the "Just stop oil frank" Twitter search? Cranks a-plenty. | |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 17:29 - Nov 14 with 1937 views | jaykay |
i wonder what twtd would have made of women trying to get the vote. things like interrupting the derby, blowing up buildings defacing paintings . the poll tax demos .
i expected they all lead to disruptions. even the countryside alliance (toffs foxhunting] demos must have lead to ambulances etc getting held up |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 19:14 - Nov 14 with 1885 views | bluelagos |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 17:29 - Nov 14 by jaykay |
i wonder what twtd would have made of women trying to get the vote. things like interrupting the derby, blowing up buildings defacing paintings . the poll tax demos .
i expected they all lead to disruptions. even the countryside alliance (toffs foxhunting] demos must have lead to ambulances etc getting held up |
I often put that exact point to people complaining about the protesters. I suspect quite a few on here would have been firmly in the "lock them up" side of the debate around the suffragettes. |  |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 21:41 - Nov 14 with 1835 views | eireblue |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 19:14 - Nov 14 by bluelagos |
I often put that exact point to people complaining about the protesters. I suspect quite a few on here would have been firmly in the "lock them up" side of the debate around the suffragettes. |
There have been quite a few protests over the years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_Kingdom
JSO seems quite mild compared to some.
Seems you couldn’t get anything done without a bit of a protest.
Luckily I think the government have plans about that. |  | | |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:59 - Nov 15 with 1738 views | DJR |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 19:14 - Nov 14 by bluelagos |
I often put that exact point to people complaining about the protesters. I suspect quite a few on here would have been firmly in the "lock them up" side of the debate around the suffragettes. |
I don't care what else they do, but I draw the line at attempting to damage works of art. No cause can justify that. | | | |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 14:22 - Nov 15 with 1723 views | jeera |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:59 - Nov 15 by DJR |
I don't care what else they do, but I draw the line at attempting to damage works of art. No cause can justify that. |
Unless there's been another separate incident then no one tried to damage any art.
There wasn't any danger to the painting, assuming we're talking about Sunflowers.
The shock was the whole point surely. |  |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 15:40 - Nov 15 with 1686 views | DJR |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 14:22 - Nov 15 by jeera |
Unless there's been another separate incident then no one tried to damage any art.
There wasn't any danger to the painting, assuming we're talking about Sunflowers.
The shock was the whole point surely. |
I don't buy the "they didn't do any damage argument". The following suggests such attacks could do, and makes it clear they have been quite a few incidents worldwide.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/11/climate-activists-attacking
Incidentally, there's been another attack today on a Klimt painting in Vienna. [Post edited 15 Nov 2022 15:41]
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 15:58 - Nov 15 with 1669 views | monytowbray |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 15:40 - Nov 15 by DJR |
I don't buy the "they didn't do any damage argument". The following suggests such attacks could do, and makes it clear they have been quite a few incidents worldwide.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/nov/11/climate-activists-attacking
Incidentally, there's been another attack today on a Klimt painting in Vienna. [Post edited 15 Nov 2022 15:41]
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So you don’t “buy” facts or reality?!
Really not thought this through, have ya?!
I don’t buy the fact ITFC are in League One, but pretending they aren’t doesn’t make it any less true. | |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 16:05 - Nov 15 with 1653 views | giant_stow |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 15:58 - Nov 15 by monytowbray |
So you don’t “buy” facts or reality?!
Really not thought this through, have ya?!
I don’t buy the fact ITFC are in League One, but pretending they aren’t doesn’t make it any less true. |
It'll be interesting to see if these protests on art works were deemed to be too much, as opposed to disrupting the gigger's working life. Strange priorities if so. |  |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 16:21 - Nov 15 with 1616 views | monytowbray |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 16:05 - Nov 15 by giant_stow |
It'll be interesting to see if these protests on art works were deemed to be too much, as opposed to disrupting the gigger's working life. Strange priorities if so. |
Eventually you always find the same fundamental issue with the WAH PROTESTS crowd, which is protest is okay so long as everyone can ignore it. | |
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| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 16:25 - Nov 15 with 1600 views | DJR |
| Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 15:58 - Nov 15 by monytowbray |
So you don’t “buy” facts or reality?!
Really not thought this through, have ya?!
I don’t buy the fact ITFC are in League One, but pretending they aren’t doesn’t make it any less true. |
Have you read the article? | | | |
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