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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 08:11 - Nov 10 by gtsb1966
And they are back again targeting the wrong people. Stories on the radio saying exactly what you've said. People turning against them in their thousands. They really have adopted the wrong strategy.
Exactly they are targeting the wrong people.
The thing is that annoys me is the hypocrisy, are you telling me the protestors do not drive, fly, use trains?!
These protestors are all just champagne socialists
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2 key points Guthrum on 12:16 - Nov 10 with 2536 views
Took your advice and read your post it was very informative, as was Unstalbles post that you replied to. However, it's easy to do when you are carrying out a major refurb, not so easy when you're trying update older properties on a national scale.
It does mean major disruption to the occupants I agree, would probably be necessary to move out while the work's being done. Technically it's vey easy though, which is what I meant.
It wasn't particularly expensive or time-consuming in itself - most of the time & expense would be in clearing fixtures, fittings & furniture to middle of room, stripping back the walls, & getting round elecs & plumbing, then replastering. Personally I'd hate to do it retrospectively! but I do think it'd be worth it eventually in terms of both costs reouped, and environment.
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:11 - Nov 10 by allezlesbleus
I disagree - the vast majority of posts on here are concerning the rights and wrongs of this type of protest. Very few comments are actually discussion ideas / ways to improve things.
Maybe if for example, they chose to protest outside the ITV studio, to highlight the unnecessary amounts of CO2 used to fly "celebrities" half way round the world to film a worthless tv programme. A big publicity boost urging people to boycott watching the show, would have a big impact on future tv planning and also make big advertisers think twice about where they advertise.
Good idea. Why not?
But that’s also the sort of climate protest that people have been making for years and years and has made little to no difference in getting governments to actually face up to the issue. Because they can ignore it whereas they can’t ignore direct action.
The issue with climate change is that it’s no longer about changing people’s and companies’ behaviour and views. But much more about getting governments to act. Significant national and international investment with global cooperation and enforced standards/taxation is largely missing and it’s the key to everything.
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"Right wing" may be.... on 12:24 - Nov 10 with 2520 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:13 - Nov 10 by IP4_Blue
Exactly they are targeting the wrong people.
The thing is that annoys me is the hypocrisy, are you telling me the protestors do not drive, fly, use trains?!
These protestors are all just champagne socialists
The term ‘champagne socialist’ makes no sense to me - just because someone is wealthy or relatively wealthy doesn’t mean that they are not allowed a social conscience. The same argument is used to discredit Marcus Rashford. - basically know your place.
I don’t think hypocrisy comes into play - none of the protestors really want to be there or to inconvenience their fellow citizens. They also don’t want to turn society around to some sort of preindustrial civilisation. Of course they drive but maybe not take their car out instead of walking a few hundred metres to the shops. A silly example but the hypocrisy argument is also silly and it’s used to discredit the protestors.
The planet is dying, more investment is needed for renewable energies, public transport needs to be improved, made a lot cheaper and more of it. And we all need to wake up to the fact that more licensing of oil etc etc is a nonsense and will kill us all.
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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:33 - Nov 10 with 2489 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:20 - Nov 10 by Darth_Koont
Good idea. Why not?
But that’s also the sort of climate protest that people have been making for years and years and has made little to no difference in getting governments to actually face up to the issue. Because they can ignore it whereas they can’t ignore direct action.
The issue with climate change is that it’s no longer about changing people’s and companies’ behaviour and views. But much more about getting governments to act. Significant national and international investment with global cooperation and enforced standards/taxation is largely missing and it’s the key to everything.
But is being stuck in a traffic jam actually going to make any difference either?
Jo Public has had a nightmare last few years, with Brexit, Covid, lockdowns, fuel price hikes, food price hikes, interest hikes. Getting stuck even longer than usual in traffic jams is not going to make them change their ways. If anything, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back and someone could soon be seriously hurt or killed.
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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:58 - Nov 10 with 2451 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:33 - Nov 10 by allezlesbleus
But is being stuck in a traffic jam actually going to make any difference either?
Jo Public has had a nightmare last few years, with Brexit, Covid, lockdowns, fuel price hikes, food price hikes, interest hikes. Getting stuck even longer than usual in traffic jams is not going to make them change their ways. If anything, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back and someone could soon be seriously hurt or killed.
Climate protestors are killed and injured. You think protestors don’t know the risks?
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:33 - Nov 10 by allezlesbleus
But is being stuck in a traffic jam actually going to make any difference either?
Jo Public has had a nightmare last few years, with Brexit, Covid, lockdowns, fuel price hikes, food price hikes, interest hikes. Getting stuck even longer than usual in traffic jams is not going to make them change their ways. If anything, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back and someone could soon be seriously hurt or killed.
The biggest threat to Joe Public is the same as the biggest threat to the planet: uncaring, short-sighted and/or self-interested politicians.
Confronting and holding them to account is in the interests of the general public. Especially with all of us (not those in power) in line to bear the brunt of the climate change turmoil.
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:33 - Nov 10 by allezlesbleus
But is being stuck in a traffic jam actually going to make any difference either?
Jo Public has had a nightmare last few years, with Brexit, Covid, lockdowns, fuel price hikes, food price hikes, interest hikes. Getting stuck even longer than usual in traffic jams is not going to make them change their ways. If anything, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back and someone could soon be seriously hurt or killed.
Many of the things you've listed are actually the fault of the Tories, perhaps "Joe Public" should refocus their efforts on them rather than some protesters who are trying to raise awareness about the issues the planet is facing?
Your last line is ridiculous, if someone is hurt or killed for protesting then the perpetrator should feel the full force of the law. People have the right to peaceful protest in this country without fear of retribution.
I knew we were on the path to banana republic but I didn't realise we were almost there.
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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:24 - Nov 10 with 2403 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:20 - Nov 10 by Darth_Koont
Good idea. Why not?
But that’s also the sort of climate protest that people have been making for years and years and has made little to no difference in getting governments to actually face up to the issue. Because they can ignore it whereas they can’t ignore direct action.
The issue with climate change is that it’s no longer about changing people’s and companies’ behaviour and views. But much more about getting governments to act. Significant national and international investment with global cooperation and enforced standards/taxation is largely missing and it’s the key to everything.
Your last paragraph is indeed the crux of the matter.
How this is done globally though when many governments are so authoritarian will prove to be difficult. I also include more liberal regimes in this as the political will worldwide appears scant at best.
We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub.
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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:28 - Nov 10 with 2385 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:35 - Nov 9 by jeera
No excuses to not ensure new homes are kitted out for long-term use for many generations to come is there.
Another trick missed which will need to be corrected retrospectively at greater cost giving more reason to not bother at some point down the line.
All new buildings should incorporate solar panels at the very least.
I have often wondered why so few new build houses have no solar panels as part of the build. My own conclusion is that it adds cost to the house and people (given a choice) will not pay. I think the jury on solar is still out. We can all work out the cost of installation and the return on investment. What no-one seems able to say is what it costs to decommission old solar panels at the end of their lifetime?
Blue shirts/white shorts - sotd78
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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:31 - Nov 10 with 2374 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 12:20 - Nov 10 by Darth_Koont
Good idea. Why not?
But that’s also the sort of climate protest that people have been making for years and years and has made little to no difference in getting governments to actually face up to the issue. Because they can ignore it whereas they can’t ignore direct action.
The issue with climate change is that it’s no longer about changing people’s and companies’ behaviour and views. But much more about getting governments to act. Significant national and international investment with global cooperation and enforced standards/taxation is largely missing and it’s the key to everything.
"Because they can ignore it whereas they can’t ignore direct action."
of course they can ignore direct action. if it doesn't have broad public support, ignoring it actually strengthens the government's position. it gives them an enemy the public dislike. direct action which antagonises most of the public doesn't threaten the government. for direct action to work it has to win over the public to support it. randomly blocking the m25 doesn't achieve that.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:31 - Nov 10 with 2374 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:31 - Nov 10 by lowhouseblue
"Because they can ignore it whereas they can’t ignore direct action."
of course they can ignore direct action. if it doesn't have broad public support, ignoring it actually strengthens the government's position. it gives them an enemy the public dislike. direct action which antagonises most of the public doesn't threaten the government. for direct action to work it has to win over the public to support it. randomly blocking the m25 doesn't achieve that.
How do you know that it antagonises 'most' of the public?
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:28 - Nov 10 by sotd78
I have often wondered why so few new build houses have no solar panels as part of the build. My own conclusion is that it adds cost to the house and people (given a choice) will not pay. I think the jury on solar is still out. We can all work out the cost of installation and the return on investment. What no-one seems able to say is what it costs to decommission old solar panels at the end of their lifetime?
I think there's also the look, which if they're on the roof is rather unattractive to many (contravenes regs. in some places, e.g. conservation areas). Can go on the ground where there's sufficient space to the S, but most houses don't have that.
It does mean major disruption to the occupants I agree, would probably be necessary to move out while the work's being done. Technically it's vey easy though, which is what I meant.
It wasn't particularly expensive or time-consuming in itself - most of the time & expense would be in clearing fixtures, fittings & furniture to middle of room, stripping back the walls, & getting round elecs & plumbing, then replastering. Personally I'd hate to do it retrospectively! but I do think it'd be worth it eventually in terms of both costs reouped, and environment.
I totally agree however, unless you're planning a complete refurb it's not practical. I have refurbed an Edwardian terraced house, plus worked on construction projects for over 50 years one house dated back to 1357. If your insulating wall ect. You're looking at completely replumbing & heating the whole property plus electrics.
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Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 14:12 - Nov 10 with 2318 views
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 13:40 - Nov 10 by noggin
How do you know that it antagonises 'most' of the public?
To be fair, I’ve not heard much in the way of support for the protestors in the way they are going about it this week during my interactions with people during work or otherwise. Most however understand the reasons behind it. On a more personal note, my wife has a project for the foreseeable around West London and she has now decided to stay in a hotel during the week rather than run the risk of massive hold ups on the M25 to and from home. Indirectly will be having an impact on our family life so in a roundabout way it’s impacting us. No great hardship in the grand scheme of things but I do sympathise to a degree those folks who frequent the motorway for their day to day business.
We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub.
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2 key points Guthrum on 14:42 - Nov 10 with 2284 views
I totally agree however, unless you're planning a complete refurb it's not practical. I have refurbed an Edwardian terraced house, plus worked on construction projects for over 50 years one house dated back to 1357. If your insulating wall ect. You're looking at completely replumbing & heating the whole property plus electrics.
I tell you what, if you thought the migrant crisis caused by Syria was bad, or that the number of people crossing on boats now is too high, you wait until tensions rise in Africa over food and water.
I tell you what, if you thought the migrant crisis caused by Syria was bad, or that the number of people crossing on boats now is too high, you wait until tensions rise in Africa over food and water.
This was in the guardian yesterday too and is bang on the money as a protest. I had no idea how many private flights there are or how much damage they do. Hats off to the protestors and their aims of banning private flights fill stop.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Third consecutive day stuck on the M25 on 08:09 - Nov 11 by giant_stow
This was in the guardian yesterday too and is bang on the money as a protest. I had no idea how many private flights there are or how much damage they do. Hats off to the protestors and their aims of banning private flights fill stop.
There was a young child in one of those planes who had to miss an urgent overseas hospital appointment!!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
I think they have realised that the public is against what they are doing ( not the cause) and realise that this could soon turn to unrest. I'm glad they have seen sense.....for now.
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I’ve just seen the interview…. on 08:36 - Nov 11 with 2132 views
….that Mark Austin did with JSO “representative” Indigo Rumbelow (yes really), if anyone wants an example of why these people are losing/have lost the public sympathy then you really should watch it.
If she thinks that we are more likely to save the planet when there are people like her on it then she is gravely mistaken.
Indigo Fooking Rumbelow indeed.
Awful, dreadful.
"Great to see you back on here mate, I was considering deactivating my account if you hadn’t returned" - TWTD User (Aug 2025)
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I’ve just seen the interview…. on 08:42 - Nov 11 with 2121 views
I’ve just seen the interview…. on 08:36 - Nov 11 by Bloots
….that Mark Austin did with JSO “representative” Indigo Rumbelow (yes really), if anyone wants an example of why these people are losing/have lost the public sympathy then you really should watch it.
If she thinks that we are more likely to save the planet when there are people like her on it then she is gravely mistaken.
Indigo Fooking Rumbelow indeed.
Awful, dreadful.
I watched it last night. Car crash of an interview.
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