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VAR has its faults â€¦ 08:39 - Jan 8 with 3203 views

Largely to do with how it’s implemented but it can’t be denied that it helps avoid the sort of blatant errors and injustices that we’ve seen in the FA cup games this weekend.

VAR has its faults … on 08:49 - Jan 8 with 3117 views

tractorboy1978

I still don't understand how you can have a competition where some of the games have VAR and some don't.

VAR has its faults … on 08:54 - Jan 8 with 3098 views

hoppy

VAR has its faults … on 08:49 - Jan 8 by tractorboy1978
I still don't understand how you can have a competition where some of the games have VAR and some don't.

The Sheffield Wednesday v Newcastle game, if at St James Park is a completely different game, as they both scored goals that VAR would’ve given as offside.

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VAR has its faults … on 08:58 - Jan 8 with 3077 views

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VAR has its faults.

And should be abolished.

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VAR has its faults … on 09:01 - Jan 8 with 3060 views

GlasgowBlue

VAR has its faults … on 08:49 - Jan 8 by tractorboy1978
I still don't understand how you can have a competition where some of the games have VAR and some don't.

I agree. Either have it for all games or don’t have it at all. The competition should be a level playing field.

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VAR has its faults … on 09:04 - Jan 8 with 3031 views

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VAR has its faults … on 08:58 - Jan 8 by ITFC_Forever
VAR has its faults. And should be abolished.

Agreed. Keep goal line technology and abolish VAR. the faffing around looking at every angle takes the flow of the game away. Nor does it always arrive at the right decision. Human error is part of it and anyway, the mk1 eyeball is still the best bit of decision making kit out there.

VAR has its faults … on 09:08 - Jan 8 with 3008 views

hoppy

VAR has its faults … on 09:01 - Jan 8 by GlasgowBlue
I agree. Either have it for all games or don’t have it at all. The competition should be a level playing field.

There’s already been some ties this season where a result has been heavily influenced by VAR decisions (or lack of), meaning a replay taking place, where the replay doesn’t have VAR or vice versa, so even within one tie, there’s some VAR and some not, over the two games - surely that can’t be right?

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VAR has its faults … on 09:12 - Jan 8 with 2963 views

homer_123

Nope. You see VAR hasn't rid the game of those events.

All its done is prolong decisions, slow the game and make things worse.

Part and parcel of football andxwhst makes it what it is...is human decision making and we are not perfect...injustices are part of what makes football great.

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VAR has its faults … on 09:16 - Jan 8 with 2923 views

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VAR has its faults … on 08:58 - Jan 8 by ITFC_Forever
VAR has its faults. And should be abolished.

Absolutely not. VAR has been a massive improvement on what se had as evidenced by the weekend. If we went back the same crying about VAR would now be tenfold when people's team start losing important matches to clear offsides, dives etc etc.

The only issues with VAR are man made and generally on subjective decisions. We've seen big improvements on how it is implemented and will continue to improve.

But people absolutely love to moan about something so either way with or without VAR we'll always have that.

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VAR has its faults … on 09:19 - Jan 8 with 2887 views

Nutkins_Return

VAR has its faults … on 08:49 - Jan 8 by tractorboy1978
I still don't understand how you can have a competition where some of the games have VAR and some don't.

I genuinely can't see any issue whatsoever. Every single match has a different group of officials so there is never an even playing field. It's just an extension of that.

It's better in my opinion then saying "because some games have a worse level of officiating, all games must have a worse level of officiating".

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VAR has its faults … on 09:45 - Jan 8 with 2707 views

Garv

Maybe that's true but overall the sport is worse for it.

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VAR has its faults … on 09:48 - Jan 8 with 2698 views

Basuco

VAR is a Premier League referee watching a slow motion reply multiple times, I cannot understand how they still manage to make so many blatant and obvious errors in decisions. Also taking ages to come to what is any easy decision is strange and annoying.

VAR has its faults … on 09:49 - Jan 8 with 2692 views

Mark

VAR is too slow and is taking away the fun and entertainment from football. When a team scores their fans want to celebrate a goal, not think it may be a goal but we need to wait a minute for VAR before cheering. The decisions continue to be inconsistent. I would scrap VAR, or at least minimise it to occasional overturning of clear and obvious key decisions. Offside decisions need to be instant.

VAR has its faults … on 10:10 - Jan 8 with 2586 views

Nutkins_Return

VAR has its faults … on 09:49 - Jan 8 by Mark
VAR is too slow and is taking away the fun and entertainment from football. When a team scores their fans want to celebrate a goal, not think it may be a goal but we need to wait a minute for VAR before cheering. The decisions continue to be inconsistent. I would scrap VAR, or at least minimise it to occasional overturning of clear and obvious key decisions. Offside decisions need to be instant.

But in the instant of scoring nobody does wait to celebrate. Just celebrate. Yes some might be chalked off for offside which is annoying but the key now is the decision is correct so that's ok.

Previously you would still have the gutting feeling of an offside flag after celebrating but then the prospect the offside wasn't even correct.

The % of correct decisions is so much higher now. For the most part they are working out how to make the delays really minimal.

It's not perfect but it's way better now than life pre VAR.

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VAR has its faults … on 11:24 - Jan 8 with 2431 views

Crawfordsboot

VAR has its faults … on 09:48 - Jan 8 by Basuco
VAR is a Premier League referee watching a slow motion reply multiple times, I cannot understand how they still manage to make so many blatant and obvious errors in decisions. Also taking ages to come to what is any easy decision is strange and annoying.

On the factual issues they make very very few mistakes and correct a great many errors. On the matters of opinion dive or not a dive etc. there has to be a clear and obvious error. Generally VAR gets these right too. Games are refereed in the context of what has been allowed earlier in the game, particularly in difficult conditions etc. Some refs might be stricter than others in their interpretation of various laws so you need that clear and obvious over ride.

If VAR is available for a cup game then use it. It allows better decisions to be made and applied equally to both teams. If it’s not available, again that applies equally to both teams. No individual team gains an unfair advantage over another.

VAR has its faults … on 11:28 - Jan 8 with 2412 views

pointofblue

Used properly then VAR is great. It was brilliant at the Euros and not really an issue at the World Cup. For some reason, the English league officials tend to make an utter mess of using it.

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VAR has its faults … on 11:49 - Jan 8 with 2373 views

norfsufblue

VAR has its faults … on 11:28 - Jan 8 by pointofblue
Used properly then VAR is great. It was brilliant at the Euros and not really an issue at the World Cup. For some reason, the English league officials tend to make an utter mess of using it.

For me ... I liked the old part of the seeking to gain an advantage of the offside law... yesterday's wolves goal would have stood because as the fella was taking a corner in no way could coming back from that position on the pitch be deemed to have been "seeking an advantage " ... the original law makers generally had most of the laws correct, modern "improvements " have over complicated it!

VAR has its faults … on 11:57 - Jan 8 with 2349 views

Plums

VAR has its faults … on 09:04 - Jan 8 by Churchman
Agreed. Keep goal line technology and abolish VAR. the faffing around looking at every angle takes the flow of the game away. Nor does it always arrive at the right decision. Human error is part of it and anyway, the mk1 eyeball is still the best bit of decision making kit out there.

Offside was also implemented to remove unfair advantage. A player's bell end being beyond the defender is not an advantage. It's ludicrous.

Having it inconsistently used in the same competition make a mockery of what is already spoiling the game.
Chesterfield would already be in the next round had it been in place for their match.

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VAR has its faults … on 12:01 - Jan 8 with 2335 views

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VAR has its faults … on 08:58 - Jan 8 by ITFC_Forever
VAR has its faults. And should be abolished.

Don't agree with abolishing it, except maybe in its current format.
The issue is, it's applied wrongly, its original purpose was for 'clear and obvious mistakes'.

Clearly offside goals, wrongful sending offs.

But Mike Riley got his mitts on it and started applying it to everything, because EVERYTHING Mike Riley does, has to be about Mike Riley.

Edit, said Mike Dean, meant Mike Riley.

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VAR has its faults … on 12:29 - Jan 8 with 2274 views

Nutkins_Return

VAR has its faults … on 11:57 - Jan 8 by Plums
Offside was also implemented to remove unfair advantage. A player's bell end being beyond the defender is not an advantage. It's ludicrous. Having it inconsistently used in the same competition make a mockery of what is already spoiling the game. Chesterfield would already be in the next round had it been in place for their match.

Having a different ref/lino at the game might have had a different result.

Because some clubs don't have the infrastructure and you get a rubbish decision (from the past pre VAR) is a nonsense reason to not have better decisions going on in other games. Any anyway it's just another 'romantic' part of the FA cup with lower league teams just like they would have worse pitches (should all the games have to be played on bad pitches...no of course not).

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VAR has its faults … on 22:36 - Jan 8 with 2096 views

Mark

VAR has its faults … on 10:10 - Jan 8 by Nutkins_Return

True, occasionally we celebrate a goal now without noticing an offside flag or the ref may rule a goal out for a foul. With VAR though goals are ruled out so often, and so late, that I would find it harder to fully celebrate when the ball goes into the net.

If a linesman thinks a player is offside I like the flag to go up so we know, not let the player score then raise the flag and wait for a VAR decision.

VAR has its faults … on 23:40 - Jan 8 with 2013 views

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VAR has its faults … on 09:04 - Jan 8 by Churchman
Agreed. Keep goal line technology and abolish VAR. the faffing around looking at every angle takes the flow of the game away. Nor does it always arrive at the right decision. Human error is part of it and anyway, the mk1 eyeball is still the best bit of decision making kit out there.

not the league one version of the mk1 eyeball ... THAT's for sure

VAR has its faults … on 11:55 - Jan 9 with 1707 views

Garv

VAR has its faults … on 10:10 - Jan 8 by Nutkins_Return

You've used the word 'correct' three times there. That's the issue for me, we're constantly striving for perfect which is just a bit unrealistic. Not to mention the fact that so many decisions are subjective and simply cannot ever be 'correct'.

I'd rather improve officiating standards and actually see refereeing as a skill/art and accept that it won't always be perfect.

If a player misses a tap in from a yard out, it's not 'correct' because he should score 99% of the time, but he makes a mistake. You have to accept human error as part of sport, and that applies to referees. The trouble is now that it all means a bit too much especially at the top level, sadly that's why VAR is here to stay.

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