| ITFC attitude to Blue Action 13:13 - Jan 17 with 11471 views | Zx1988 |
It's been interesting to read the comments on recent BA threads, that suggest that there is a real difference between the club's public messaging regarding creating an atmosphere, and the way in which they treat BA's attempts to create said atmosphere.
When I was reading up on the English Ultra scene yesterday, I noted that the Holmesdale Fanatics took 'strike' action against the lack of assistance/cooperation that they received from Crystal Palace.
Is this something that BA might consider if the club, as it seems, continue to refuse to work with them in a constructive manner and, instead, pay lip service to trying to keep them onside? |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:44 - Jan 17 with 5483 views | bluelagos |
One for BA guys I guess. But like you, am sensing the club is being far from helpful.
People who sat in seats for years won't appreciate it, but they don't "own" their seat, and they have no divine right to sit there. Previously the club has pull down stands and of course it's sad for those who cling to the past, but things do change.
But for them to stand in the way of a group of young fans, seeking to make some noise and some colour, in the very stand that traditionally had lots of noise...does feel like a classic case of entitlement from older fans who would do well to just move to another part of the ground.
I did exactly that when I left the North stand a few years ago, recognised standing for extended periods wasn't for me anymore so rather than moan at those who do, I changed where I sat.
Think the BA guys should be encouraged and anyone who has a problem with a flag being waved occasionally can quite easily move their seat. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:56 - Jan 17 with 5403 views | J2BLUE |
I don't know the full story but I think this is unfair.
BA have now provided a solution and if the club still push back this would be a fair point but up until now the club have had to either say no or disrupt other fans who may have been sitting there for years.
The club have zero reason to oppose BA in any way. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:59 - Jan 17 with 5347 views | Zx1988 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:56 - Jan 17 by J2BLUE |
I don't know the full story but I think this is unfair.
BA have now provided a solution and if the club still push back this would be a fair point but up until now the club have had to either say no or disrupt other fans who may have been sitting there for years.
The club have zero reason to oppose BA in any way. |
I'm not so much talking about the club not being willing to force other fans to move, but more matters such as the refusal to put up a capo stand, or allow BA to use a megaphone.
Based on the posts of BA members discussing these two things, it seems as if BA have picked apart every reason the club have given them as to why they cannot do it, only to be met with another different reason, which seems to be repeated ad nauseam; the megaphone in particular.
We could build a great atmosphere by Slambo 16 Jan 2023 18:47When they booted me out at the Pompey game because of standing on my seat (which I wasn't) they said they'd build a capo stand. A week later when I chased them about it, they said they couldn't now, because it would stop wheelchair access, despite us showing them a design where the wheelchair could be parked underneath...
We then asked for a megaphone. Immediately batted away because it was a prohibited item. Sent a screenshot of the prohibited items as listed on the club website where there is no mention of a megaphone being prohibited. They then go oh, ok, you can use one; day comes when we want to use it, they say actually you can't because 'if the PA system malfunctions we have designated stewards with a megaphone and we don't want the fans to get confused'...
But as Blue_Order says, there's not a lot of point. It's an absolute wasteland in that section...
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:01 - Jan 17 with 5311 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:44 - Jan 17 by bluelagos |
One for BA guys I guess. But like you, am sensing the club is being far from helpful.
People who sat in seats for years won't appreciate it, but they don't "own" their seat, and they have no divine right to sit there. Previously the club has pull down stands and of course it's sad for those who cling to the past, but things do change.
But for them to stand in the way of a group of young fans, seeking to make some noise and some colour, in the very stand that traditionally had lots of noise...does feel like a classic case of entitlement from older fans who would do well to just move to another part of the ground.
I did exactly that when I left the North stand a few years ago, recognised standing for extended periods wasn't for me anymore so rather than moan at those who do, I changed where I sat.
Think the BA guys should be encouraged and anyone who has a problem with a flag being waved occasionally can quite easily move their seat. |
Whilst they don't that seat. When I renewed my ST yearly I had first refusal on if I wanted that seat back. And tbh I'd be pssed right off if the club took it away just so someone can use the seat to have a sing song. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:02 - Jan 17 with 5294 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:59 - Jan 17 by Zx1988 |
I'm not so much talking about the club not being willing to force other fans to move, but more matters such as the refusal to put up a capo stand, or allow BA to use a megaphone.
Based on the posts of BA members discussing these two things, it seems as if BA have picked apart every reason the club have given them as to why they cannot do it, only to be met with another different reason, which seems to be repeated ad nauseam; the megaphone in particular.
We could build a great atmosphere by Slambo 16 Jan 2023 18:47When they booted me out at the Pompey game because of standing on my seat (which I wasn't) they said they'd build a capo stand. A week later when I chased them about it, they said they couldn't now, because it would stop wheelchair access, despite us showing them a design where the wheelchair could be parked underneath...
We then asked for a megaphone. Immediately batted away because it was a prohibited item. Sent a screenshot of the prohibited items as listed on the club website where there is no mention of a megaphone being prohibited. They then go oh, ok, you can use one; day comes when we want to use it, they say actually you can't because 'if the PA system malfunctions we have designated stewards with a megaphone and we don't want the fans to get confused'...
But as Blue_Order says, there's not a lot of point. It's an absolute wasteland in that section...
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A megaphone probably won't be allowed as a safety measure. Let alone being annoying. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:07 - Jan 17 with 5261 views | Zx1988 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:02 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
A megaphone probably won't be allowed as a safety measure. Let alone being annoying. |
I'd hazard that it's probably not a Frimmers issue, given that it wouldn't be audible outside the stadium... | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:10 - Jan 17 with 5217 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:07 - Jan 17 by Zx1988 |
I'd hazard that it's probably not a Frimmers issue, given that it wouldn't be audible outside the stadium... |
Doesn't need to be an issue to me to have my say, it's a public forum. But good try in having a discussion. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:12 - Jan 17 with 5209 views | iamipswich |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:02 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
A megaphone probably won't be allowed as a safety measure. Let alone being annoying. |
Speaking of megaphones is the fella who walks laps of the ground speaking tunelessly into the megaphone before games still about? Feel like I haven't seen him for years. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:14 - Jan 17 with 5179 views | MattinLondon |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:01 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst they don't that seat. When I renewed my ST yearly I had first refusal on if I wanted that seat back. And tbh I'd be pssed right off if the club took it away just so someone can use the seat to have a sing song. |
But you don’t own that seat and have no right to it when the season draws to an end. All a season ticket gives you is the certainty of being able to attend matches. |  | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:16 - Jan 17 with 5158 views | MattinLondon |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:44 - Jan 17 by bluelagos |
One for BA guys I guess. But like you, am sensing the club is being far from helpful.
People who sat in seats for years won't appreciate it, but they don't "own" their seat, and they have no divine right to sit there. Previously the club has pull down stands and of course it's sad for those who cling to the past, but things do change.
But for them to stand in the way of a group of young fans, seeking to make some noise and some colour, in the very stand that traditionally had lots of noise...does feel like a classic case of entitlement from older fans who would do well to just move to another part of the ground.
I did exactly that when I left the North stand a few years ago, recognised standing for extended periods wasn't for me anymore so rather than moan at those who do, I changed where I sat.
Think the BA guys should be encouraged and anyone who has a problem with a flag being waved occasionally can quite easily move their seat. |
I was under the impression that whilst under the ME the club made little effort to engage with BA this had all changed under Ashton. Be interesting see what he has to say -maybe various posts on here on this issue will draw his attention to it. | | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:17 - Jan 17 with 5137 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:14 - Jan 17 by MattinLondon |
But you don’t own that seat and have no right to it when the season draws to an end. All a season ticket gives you is the certainty of being able to attend matches. |
I think personally if someone has sat there year on year they have every right to have first refusal on it... unless of course the seating area was being ripped apart and that seat wasn't physically available. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:20 - Jan 17 with 5133 views | homer_123 |
I think a move to the Cobbold Stand by BA is the right one.
The North Stand used to work because....well, it's obvious right? You'd be having a little banter with the supporters next door?
If BA move and the noise, chanting etc. is next to oppo fans, that's a good thing right. Bouncing off each other, likely drive up some noise elsewhere?
That won't detract from the North Stand being vocal but I think it's a smart move and one worth trying.
Oh, I appreciate that wasn't the point of your OP.
EDIT: and I could have easily contributed the above to the actual thread that is on this very subject! [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 14:22]
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:21 - Jan 17 with 5114 views | homer_123 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:17 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I think personally if someone has sat there year on year they have every right to have first refusal on it... unless of course the seating area was being ripped apart and that seat wasn't physically available. |
You get first refusal but you have no rights. You aren't buying the land or the seat merely the opportunity to sit in it....you don't own it. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:21 - Jan 17 with 5111 views | SheffordBlue |
I like what BA are trying to do but I'm not sure it's clear cut.
They are a small subset of the fans who attend games and don't represent all of the other groups. E.g families, people who are more intersted in watching the football than the atmosphere. The club want to appeal to as many of the groups as possible without alienating any of them - not an easy balance at times I suspect.
There is already an Official Supporters Club that the Club formally meet with. There is a limit to the number of groups that the club will want to formally meet with due to time constraints, etc. I don't know how much BA have tried to engage with the official supporters group but that might be an avenue for communication.
There may well be longer term plans for stadium development that the club are unwilling to release or discuss but would cause problems for them if they implemented some of BAs requests. E.g If they know they will have to shift a proportion of season tickets holders relatively soon for infrastructure works they may well not want to annoy another group of season ticket holders by moving them for games. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:23 - Jan 17 with 5075 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:21 - Jan 17 by homer_123 |
You get first refusal but you have no rights. You aren't buying the land or the seat merely the opportunity to sit in it....you don't own it. |
Of course. But I think it's admirable that the club is keen to look after their loyal fans. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:24 - Jan 17 with 5075 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I really dont think there is much that the Club/BA can do.
Portman road isn't built for a big atmosphere, the acoustics are just all wrong. Some of the best grounds for atmosphere in this league, Plymouth, Derby, Pompey. Are all set up better.
The former two because they are modern stadiums the sounds travels round the whole stadium, and Pompey because of their one tier 'Kop'. Combine that with Ipswich fans being in the most part fairly placid
I love Portman road btw, and think BA are great. But it doesn't work. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:25 - Jan 17 with 5055 views | homer_123 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:24 - Jan 17 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I really dont think there is much that the Club/BA can do.
Portman road isn't built for a big atmosphere, the acoustics are just all wrong. Some of the best grounds for atmosphere in this league, Plymouth, Derby, Pompey. Are all set up better.
The former two because they are modern stadiums the sounds travels round the whole stadium, and Pompey because of their one tier 'Kop'. Combine that with Ipswich fans being in the most part fairly placid
I love Portman road btw, and think BA are great. But it doesn't work. |
Excuse me.....I am a very loud tutter and mutterer thank you very much. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:26 - Jan 17 with 5042 views | BlueStreak |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:10 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Doesn't need to be an issue to me to have my say, it's a public forum. But good try in having a discussion. |
You never go, you should stay away from this thread. Zero value will be added by your input. |  | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:27 - Jan 17 with 5037 views | hoppy |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:25 - Jan 17 by homer_123 |
Excuse me.....I am a very loud tutter and mutterer thank you very much. |
Do you noisily ruffle your tartan blanket and put the lid on your flask too? If not, why not? |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:28 - Jan 17 with 5040 views | sotd78 |
As an old codger I remember being like the BA group when I was younger. Of course, in those days you went and stood in or amongst the singing groups - the North if you could cope with the "aggro" and Churchman's if you wanted to be "sensible". Both ends sang - lots at times. And when the then old codgers got going Churchman's was worth a goal to the team at times.
The real answer to all this predicament is to put in unreserved rail seating behind one of the goals. Upper deck North if " 'elf and safety" allows. That would put the whole situation back to the pre-all seater stadium days when to get the "best" spot you turned up early.
Done properly we could have places for capo's (if I understood that correctly)
That can all be done without confronting "this is my seat" situations. The club has no excuse now not to engage in this. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:29 - Jan 17 with 5016 views | homer_123 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:27 - Jan 17 by hoppy |
Do you noisily ruffle your tartan blanket and put the lid on your flask too? If not, why not? |
One tries. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:30 - Jan 17 with 4996 views | homer_123 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:28 - Jan 17 by sotd78 |
As an old codger I remember being like the BA group when I was younger. Of course, in those days you went and stood in or amongst the singing groups - the North if you could cope with the "aggro" and Churchman's if you wanted to be "sensible". Both ends sang - lots at times. And when the then old codgers got going Churchman's was worth a goal to the team at times.
The real answer to all this predicament is to put in unreserved rail seating behind one of the goals. Upper deck North if " 'elf and safety" allows. That would put the whole situation back to the pre-all seater stadium days when to get the "best" spot you turned up early.
Done properly we could have places for capo's (if I understood that correctly)
That can all be done without confronting "this is my seat" situations. The club has no excuse now not to engage in this. |
That's far too sensible a post for on here. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:33 - Jan 17 with 4946 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:26 - Jan 17 by BlueStreak |
You never go, you should stay away from this thread. Zero value will be added by your input. |
I have a family member in the stand you're trying to kick out. So I'll continue to have input ta.
A group put together in the last few years trying to oust people who've been going to PR for 40 odd years and then seeing thinks like strike action if the club don't help. It's crazy.
So yes I will carry on getting involved ta. Joys of a public forum. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:35 - Jan 17 with 4941 views | Zx1988 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:33 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I have a family member in the stand you're trying to kick out. So I'll continue to have input ta.
A group put together in the last few years trying to oust people who've been going to PR for 40 odd years and then seeing thinks like strike action if the club don't help. It's crazy.
So yes I will carry on getting involved ta. Joys of a public forum. |
At what point did I say that BA should take strike action if the club doesn't turn Section 5 over to them? | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:38 - Jan 17 with 4905 views | BlueStreak |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:33 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I have a family member in the stand you're trying to kick out. So I'll continue to have input ta.
A group put together in the last few years trying to oust people who've been going to PR for 40 odd years and then seeing thinks like strike action if the club don't help. It's crazy.
So yes I will carry on getting involved ta. Joys of a public forum. |
Crazy? Oust? Have a day off you absolute melt. Things evolve, hopefully for the better, get a grip and get on board.
BA have been magnificent in bringing the noise back to a dead ground and 'we' need to be doing everything that we can to support it. If it means moving 20 seats to one side, then so bl00dy be it. | | | |
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