| ITFC attitude to Blue Action 13:13 - Jan 17 with 11596 views | Zx1988 |
It's been interesting to read the comments on recent BA threads, that suggest that there is a real difference between the club's public messaging regarding creating an atmosphere, and the way in which they treat BA's attempts to create said atmosphere.
When I was reading up on the English Ultra scene yesterday, I noted that the Holmesdale Fanatics took 'strike' action against the lack of assistance/cooperation that they received from Crystal Palace.
Is this something that BA might consider if the club, as it seems, continue to refuse to work with them in a constructive manner and, instead, pay lip service to trying to keep them onside? |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:10 - Jan 17 with 1994 views | Mullet |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 17:40 - Jan 17 by Funge |
You contribute on every thread, despite never going to Portman Road.
As such, your input right here, with regards to a post about improving the atmosphere within the ground on a matchday, is wholly redundant.
As for Blue Action - keep at it. |
Dear boy, he's inherited the crown from Benters via TG etc as the resident post-it-all to make every thread about them.
People just need to stop replying to it. Board won't keep getting derailed or as snarky either. The club could give away tenners and he'd make a post about it relates to him negatively. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:16 - Jan 17 with 1961 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 13:59 - Jan 17 by Zx1988 |
I'm not so much talking about the club not being willing to force other fans to move, but more matters such as the refusal to put up a capo stand, or allow BA to use a megaphone.
Based on the posts of BA members discussing these two things, it seems as if BA have picked apart every reason the club have given them as to why they cannot do it, only to be met with another different reason, which seems to be repeated ad nauseam; the megaphone in particular.
We could build a great atmosphere by Slambo 16 Jan 2023 18:47When they booted me out at the Pompey game because of standing on my seat (which I wasn't) they said they'd build a capo stand. A week later when I chased them about it, they said they couldn't now, because it would stop wheelchair access, despite us showing them a design where the wheelchair could be parked underneath...
We then asked for a megaphone. Immediately batted away because it was a prohibited item. Sent a screenshot of the prohibited items as listed on the club website where there is no mention of a megaphone being prohibited. They then go oh, ok, you can use one; day comes when we want to use it, they say actually you can't because 'if the PA system malfunctions we have designated stewards with a megaphone and we don't want the fans to get confused'...
But as Blue_Order says, there's not a lot of point. It's an absolute wasteland in that section...
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Why would the club build a 'Capo' stand? isn't that all a bit USA! USA! USA! ?
How would that even work without either losing seats or blocking the view of disabled fans?
Not disagreeing, just interested as to how it would work? Same Same with a megaphone, whats that going to do? |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:23 - Jan 17 with 1935 views | HighgateBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:16 - Jan 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Why would the club build a 'Capo' stand? isn't that all a bit USA! USA! USA! ?
How would that even work without either losing seats or blocking the view of disabled fans?
Not disagreeing, just interested as to how it would work? Same Same with a megaphone, whats that going to do? |
God, I don't even know what the hell a capo is. Maybe I'm just too interested in watching the football... |  | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:26 - Jan 17 with 1934 views | HighgateBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:56 - Jan 17 by bluelagos |
Wherever you put the safe standing, some people will moan. We are a nation of proper miserable fckers sometimes and anything new some people will find something to whinge about.
Sometimes you just have to take the lead, make the changes and do what you can to placate those who feel they have a god given right to sit in the same seat, in the same way as they have for the past 20 years.
So be nice, maybe offer them a seat in the upper stand at lower prices for 2 seasons? Give them something to ease the pain of change and trauma they feel for having to sit somewhere else. But do it, do it for the greater good of the stadium/atmosphere/match day experience.
And if they still don't like it, comes a time when you just tell them where to go (This is why I'd never last long in a PR role :-) and then get on with it. Would you rather sit in a bouncing stadium or a quiet one?
And how many BAs have we actually got? 500 or so? Can't be beyond the wit of man to squeeze them into S5 and move a few (still in the North lower or upstairs?) to facilitate the move and improved atmosphere. |
If the club wants to introduce safe standing, and if it is indeed safe, and if they are allowed to do it in the way they want, that's fine by me. No problem at all.
But I really don't think that anyone should be forced to move because they don't sing loud enough, or shout loud enough, or do whatever else Blue Action say fans should be doing in 'their section'.
Live and let live. And yes, sing lots if you want. We're all Town fans, we all want Town to achieve. The only thing I would be moaning about is creating division amongst our fans when none previously existed. | | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:27 - Jan 17 with 1927 views | Funge |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:10 - Jan 17 by Mullet |
Dear boy, he's inherited the crown from Benters via TG etc as the resident post-it-all to make every thread about them.
People just need to stop replying to it. Board won't keep getting derailed or as snarky either. The club could give away tenners and he'd make a post about it relates to him negatively. |
I haven't got an issue with commenting on the players/ 'smarmy' McKenna/ all that guff etc - as much as I disagree with him, more often than not, the purpose of TWTD is to let him talk about this stuff. Fair enough, innit.
Furthermore, I was relatively pessimistic after Plymouth; being of a similar mindset to him, genuinely makes me think I should take a step back and stop being so gloomy....
But sniping about Blue Action when you *literally* never go to the ground? Fix up, man. |  | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:36 - Jan 17 with 1903 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:27 - Jan 17 by Funge |
I haven't got an issue with commenting on the players/ 'smarmy' McKenna/ all that guff etc - as much as I disagree with him, more often than not, the purpose of TWTD is to let him talk about this stuff. Fair enough, innit.
Furthermore, I was relatively pessimistic after Plymouth; being of a similar mindset to him, genuinely makes me think I should take a step back and stop being so gloomy....
But sniping about Blue Action when you *literally* never go to the ground? Fix up, man. |
I wasn't moaning about BA as a group. What they do is great. The time spent on posters. Painting etc is excellent down at the waterfront etc.
My issue was the talk of could they take strike action against the club. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:38 - Jan 17 with 1897 views | Pinewoodblue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:16 - Jan 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Why would the club build a 'Capo' stand? isn't that all a bit USA! USA! USA! ?
How would that even work without either losing seats or blocking the view of disabled fans?
Not disagreeing, just interested as to how it would work? Same Same with a megaphone, whats that going to do? |
I have been to soccer games n the good ol' USA but they didn't have a Capo stand.. The individuals tasked with orchestrating the fans, singing - flag waving etc. balanced on the lower bar of the railings, at the front of the stand, facing away from the pitch. It is worth pointing out that they didn't block the view of any fans in disabled sections.
One idea I did like was the equivalent of BA78 gathered in the fans zone and marched to their position in the stand chanting. in the way fans to on the concourse, and also waving their flags etc.
Suspect BA78 are too Suffolk(too reserved) to do that. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 19:24 - Jan 17 with 1829 views | Mullet |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:27 - Jan 17 by Funge |
I haven't got an issue with commenting on the players/ 'smarmy' McKenna/ all that guff etc - as much as I disagree with him, more often than not, the purpose of TWTD is to let him talk about this stuff. Fair enough, innit.
Furthermore, I was relatively pessimistic after Plymouth; being of a similar mindset to him, genuinely makes me think I should take a step back and stop being so gloomy....
But sniping about Blue Action when you *literally* never go to the ground? Fix up, man. |
We're going up. Defence rests m'lord | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 19:30 - Jan 17 with 1813 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:38 - Jan 17 by Pinewoodblue |
I have been to soccer games n the good ol' USA but they didn't have a Capo stand.. The individuals tasked with orchestrating the fans, singing - flag waving etc. balanced on the lower bar of the railings, at the front of the stand, facing away from the pitch. It is worth pointing out that they didn't block the view of any fans in disabled sections.
One idea I did like was the equivalent of BA78 gathered in the fans zone and marched to their position in the stand chanting. in the way fans to on the concourse, and also waving their flags etc.
Suspect BA78 are too Suffolk(too reserved) to do that. |
Right-o. So what on earth is a 'Capo Stand'? | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 19:54 - Jan 17 with 1776 views | Funge |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 19:24 - Jan 17 by Mullet |
We're going up. Defence rests m'lord |
Good enough for me. | | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:11 - Jan 17 with 1754 views | NeedhamChris |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 15:42 - Jan 17 by sotd78 |
Everyone who says allow BA into S5 and move the existing long-term fan is missing a point. The existence of fixed seats with a Season Ticket attached to it is the obstacle. How long before our energetic S6BA become a new but too old S5
Go read the articles about USA capos and how they are burned out by aged 30.
The answer lies in unreserved rail seats. Focus on that. Wherever in the ground it can be allowed. |
Surely you'd need the rail seats to be reserved to make it safe standing? | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:15 - Jan 17 with 1716 views | Mullet |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:11 - Jan 17 by NeedhamChris |
Surely you'd need the rail seats to be reserved to make it safe standing? |
Seem to remember reading it's a legal requirement. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:29 - Jan 17 with 1682 views | Pinewoodblue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 19:30 - Jan 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Right-o. So what on earth is a 'Capo Stand'? |
This is a reasonable example of a Capo stand
Capo is actually the head honcho cheerleader. He conducts the fans in much the same way a conductor leads an orchestra.
A capo stand is where the Capo stands. Personally I thought the word related to Mafia heads but was put right. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:30 - Jan 17 with 1670 views | FifeITFC |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 15:42 - Jan 17 by sotd78 |
Everyone who says allow BA into S5 and move the existing long-term fan is missing a point. The existence of fixed seats with a Season Ticket attached to it is the obstacle. How long before our energetic S6BA become a new but too old S5
Go read the articles about USA capos and how they are burned out by aged 30.
The answer lies in unreserved rail seats. Focus on that. Wherever in the ground it can be allowed. |
That will never work or be allowed due to safety concerns. You need to allocate seats/spaces. Otherwise with big crowds like you're getting now, you have no way to police, monitor, check on overcrowding etc because a large portion of people will feel they have a right to stand/be there and feel aggrieved as to why they should move to allivate any overcrowding etc.
You saw it on the news about the Newcastle fans at Sheffield Wednesday etc. And you look at the Hillsborough disaster as a reason why they need to monitor crowd areas etc (even if it was ultimately the police making an incorrect decision).
Without having an allocated space and stewards/police having the ability to control this, you're opening up the potential for another disaster or accident, if not Portman Road, elsewhere.
Will never work or happen. |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:30 - Jan 17 with 1661 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:29 - Jan 17 by Pinewoodblue |
This is a reasonable example of a Capo stand
Capo is actually the head honcho cheerleader. He conducts the fans in much the same way a conductor leads an orchestra.
A capo stand is where the Capo stands. Personally I thought the word related to Mafia heads but was put right. |
Sorry. They want one of those at PR..? | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:34 - Jan 17 with 1653 views | MattinLondon |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:29 - Jan 17 by Pinewoodblue |
This is a reasonable example of a Capo stand
Capo is actually the head honcho cheerleader. He conducts the fans in much the same way a conductor leads an orchestra.
A capo stand is where the Capo stands. Personally I thought the word related to Mafia heads but was put right. |
Don’t Capo make retro replica shirts? |  | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:39 - Jan 17 with 1642 views | hoppy |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:34 - Jan 17 by MattinLondon |
Don’t Capo make retro replica shirts? |
I thought it was something you put on a guitar? |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:41 - Jan 17 with 1637 views | blueislander |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 16:15 - Jan 17 by blueislander |
Pardon my ignorance but how many BA members are there? Also I guess there will be some younger supporters who would like to be with BA |
I am still interested to know the answer to this | | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 21:36 - Jan 17 with 1539 views | Zx1988 |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 20:30 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Sorry. They want one of those at PR..? |
That's a rather ostentatious example.
The ones I've seen in the German game are much smaller, and are essentially a raised dais big enough for one or two people to stand at the front and lead the ultras group and drum.
This, for example, is the one found at Union Berlin:
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 21:39 - Jan 17 with 1529 views | FrimleyBlue |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 21:36 - Jan 17 by Zx1988 |
That's a rather ostentatious example.
The ones I've seen in the German game are much smaller, and are essentially a raised dais big enough for one or two people to stand at the front and lead the ultras group and drum.
This, for example, is the one found at Union Berlin:
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OK got to be honest. But it is just personal opinion and no it doesn't effect me I get that.
But that at PR is hilarious | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 00:00 - Jan 18 with 1380 views | FifeITFC |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 21:36 - Jan 17 by Zx1988 |
That's a rather ostentatious example.
The ones I've seen in the German game are much smaller, and are essentially a raised dais big enough for one or two people to stand at the front and lead the ultras group and drum.
This, for example, is the one found at Union Berlin:
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There's people complaining about flags obscuring their view (rightly) for however long during games, so you want one of these built to block people's view for 90 minutes?
Besides which, it would be difficult to implement at Portman Road (and most UK stadiums) as the stands are built pitch level and very close to the surface. And as ITFC have said, the space in the corner between the SBR and Cobbold Stand would be a H&S matter due to it being an exit and disabled access etc.
British stadia is largely very different from others around Europe and the world in the fact the stands are built very close to the pitch. | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 07:59 - Jan 18 with 1259 views | Wickets |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 14:01 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst they don't that seat. When I renewed my ST yearly I had first refusal on if I wanted that seat back. And tbh I'd be pssed right off if the club took it away just so someone can use the seat to have a sing song. |
I fully support BA and it would be great if they manage to get Portman Rd rocking . Of course Fans who have season tickets should get ample time to renew every year and from what I have read BA have actually always agreed with this . |  | | |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 08:06 - Jan 18 with 1250 views | Metal_Hacker |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 18:36 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I wasn't moaning about BA as a group. What they do is great. The time spent on posters. Painting etc is excellent down at the waterfront etc.
My issue was the talk of could they take strike action against the club. |
NO sorry...you were actually moaning about a blocked spectators view by the waving of flags not just strike action |  |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 08:27 - Jan 18 with 1190 views | NeedhamChris |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 08:06 - Jan 18 by Metal_Hacker |
NO sorry...you were actually moaning about a blocked spectators view by the waving of flags not just strike action |
I'm all for what BA are doing but surely blocking other spectators views is a genuine reason for complaint? | |
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| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 08:28 - Jan 18 with 1184 views | Metal_Hacker |
| ITFC attitude to Blue Action on 08:27 - Jan 18 by NeedhamChris |
I'm all for what BA are doing but surely blocking other spectators views is a genuine reason for complaint? |
If you attend games ...yep
* perhaps best reading the whole thread - if you want to be bored | |
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