| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) 10:40 - Feb 1 with 8698 views | BlueBadger |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:47 - Feb 1 with 1698 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 16:05 - Feb 1 by jaykay |
you do realise giving a bit more to nurses teachers will fuel inflation . electricity , food prices,
petrol prices , hospitality will all go up. oh wait |
Indeed. They will only spend all that extra money they have too driving inflation even further. Force them to use foodbanks instead. After all charity begins at home with our public services. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:54 - Feb 1 with 1668 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:24 - Feb 1 by MattinLondon |
Different unions - I think one didn’t meet the threshold for industrial action to be implemented. |
The NAS and NAHT both balloted but had fewer than 50% vote which is one of the criteria for a ballot to be recognised. If only that turnout were needed for a General Election result to be recognised! | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:55 - Feb 1 with 1653 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:43 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Many teachers work part time and this is the full time salary quoted. A significant chunk of that is then taken back as pension contributions for the supposedly gold-plated pension that the Government has slashed in recent years too. Of course, we don't have to join the pension scheme but you would be daft not to make provision for your retirement.
I hope your daughter sticks it out and does well. It is a superb and highly rewarding profession and the contribution that teachers make to the lives of so many is far beyond what we can possibly ever realise. It is truly sad that so many good people are being driven away from it. This is exactly why I am out today. |
Good on you, and many thanks. My daughter has had a bit of a tough time on her placement which really affected her confidence, but she has managed to turn things round in the last couple of days with the support of the university, and had a really great time today in charge of the class without her supposed teacher who offers her no support or encouragement and criticises her at every opportunity. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 19:13]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:57 - Feb 1 with 1636 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:54 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The NAS and NAHT both balloted but had fewer than 50% vote which is one of the criteria for a ballot to be recognised. If only that turnout were needed for a General Election result to be recognised! |
It is a bitter irony that admin and postal strikes caused the turnout issue for both! I say that as someone who couldn't strike today and would have welcomed a picket line over teaching.
Reballots are incoming apparently and that will really cause chaos as there will be a motivation to meet thresholds, while the government talk tough and point fingers whilst burying the corruption and misspent funds in their mates' back pockets. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:59 - Feb 1 with 1612 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:55 - Feb 1 by DJR |
Good on you, and many thanks. My daughter has had a bit of a tough time on her placement which really affected her confidence, but she has managed to turn things round in the last couple of days with the support of the university, and had a really great time today in charge of the class without her supposed teacher who offers her no support or encouragement and criticises her at every opportunity. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 19:13]
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Probably best to edit that even if it is unlikely to be traceable unless it is already proven.
I always found that teachers have a tendency to focus on the negatives (EDIT to clarify - when reviewing their own performance) and sometimes feedback can feel very critical even when done well. If she is not getting good feedback, it must be incredibly disheartening. I am glad things seem to be moving in the right direction, though. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 18:00]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:04 - Feb 1 with 1578 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:55 - Feb 1 by DJR |
Good on you, and many thanks. My daughter has had a bit of a tough time on her placement which really affected her confidence, but she has managed to turn things round in the last couple of days with the support of the university, and had a really great time today in charge of the class without her supposed teacher who offers her no support or encouragement and criticises her at every opportunity. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 19:13]
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I've mentored PGCEs and more recently ECTs for years, it's a tough gig and many schools unfortunately just take the funding and then the mick. If she's being left alone at all, or responsibilities aren't matching up with what's agreed on her paperwork that's a massive issue for everyone involved.
Unis also don't want to break relationships when placements are scarce, so it's rife with abuse as far as the system goes.
She should get the best possible provision though and the Uni should fight for her on that. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:08 - Feb 1 with 1557 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:54 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The NAS and NAHT both balloted but had fewer than 50% vote which is one of the criteria for a ballot to be recognised. If only that turnout were needed for a General Election result to be recognised! |
My daughter is a student member of the NEA, which is on strike, and I thought that was the main teaching union.
I can understand headteachers having a separate union (NAHT) but what is the purpose of the NASUWT, and wouldn't it be better if the NASUWT and the NEA merged into one union? | | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:14 - Feb 1 with 1551 views | factual_blue |
That's incredibly Civil Servantist of you. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 18:15]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:18 - Feb 1 with 1541 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:04 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
I've mentored PGCEs and more recently ECTs for years, it's a tough gig and many schools unfortunately just take the funding and then the mick. If she's being left alone at all, or responsibilities aren't matching up with what's agreed on her paperwork that's a massive issue for everyone involved.
Unis also don't want to break relationships when placements are scarce, so it's rife with abuse as far as the system goes.
She should get the best possible provision though and the Uni should fight for her on that. |
I think the school has taken a bit of an advantage, but it is also difficult for a trainee to stand up for themselves given the power imbalance between her and the teacher. But fortunately the university have got involved and improved things immeasurably. | | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:48 - Feb 1 with 1499 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:09 - Feb 1 by giant_stow |
One of the teachers I know wants nothing more than to be left to teach. She doesn't want to 'progress' into management jobs, or head of year or subject titles - just fair pay to reflect her now vast experience. I think this causes her trouble within the school though as she becomes evermore relatively expensive compared to newly qualified arrivals. Tricky situation for her and leaves her vulnerable to cost cutting, despite her being in a position to offer the best language teaching anyone could ever receive in a school. |
Yep. This will come to a shock to those who think teachers are only in the profession for the holidays (so Daily Mail readers), but many (all those I know) genuinely only do it because they want to make a difference to young people’s lives. That’s not a big sample course, and most is us have suffered bad teachers, but I went to a teacher training college and so have several good friends who teach, and the father/mother in law we’re teachers too. Stupidly dedicated some of them. It’s going back a couple of decades now, but my father in law used to go into school during the holidays to sort out the building improvements; and I mean to actually do them, not just organise contractors (they couldn’t afford those). Tiling, painting, plumbing, etc., he would do it himself. He’s nicely nuts though, so that was probably an exception and it wouldn’t be allowed today. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:57 - Feb 1 with 1487 views | Whos_blue |
I'm not a teacher, but a family member is.
I was proud to join them on their rally in Cambridge today.
Fantastic support.
It was also billed as a defend the right to strike rally, so gteat to see other trade unions represented there too. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 19:01 - Feb 1 with 1480 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:08 - Feb 1 by DJR |
My daughter is a student member of the NEA, which is on strike, and I thought that was the main teaching union.
I can understand headteachers having a separate union (NAHT) but what is the purpose of the NASUWT, and wouldn't it be better if the NASUWT and the NEA merged into one union? |
The NEU rather than NEA. There used to be the ATL but it merged with NUT to form NEU.
Not sure of the history of the different unions. It might be better for them to merge but there is a tradition that the NAS are more accepting of things (probably why their ballot didn't reach the threshold, although I believe it was a majority for action among those who did vote). | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 19:15 - Feb 1 with 1469 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:59 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Probably best to edit that even if it is unlikely to be traceable unless it is already proven.
I always found that teachers have a tendency to focus on the negatives (EDIT to clarify - when reviewing their own performance) and sometimes feedback can feel very critical even when done well. If she is not getting good feedback, it must be incredibly disheartening. I am glad things seem to be moving in the right direction, though. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 18:00]
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Thanks for the advice. I've edited it.
As regards the criticism, it's often been very petty such as saying "I don't put the pencils back that way" or complaining about the way my daughter had formatted a document, or even worse saying "why didn't you send me the plans" when she hadn't even asked for them.
And of course, if you're subjected to this sort of thing regularly, with never any praise, it's very demoralising. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 19:22]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 19:17 - Feb 1 with 1468 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 19:01 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The NEU rather than NEA. There used to be the ATL but it merged with NUT to form NEU.
Not sure of the history of the different unions. It might be better for them to merge but there is a tradition that the NAS are more accepting of things (probably why their ballot didn't reach the threshold, although I believe it was a majority for action among those who did vote). |
And I suppose with only one union, there might never be a majority for strike action, given what you say. | | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 19:18 - Feb 1 with 1468 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:57 - Feb 1 by Whos_blue |
I'm not a teacher, but a family member is.
I was proud to join them on their rally in Cambridge today.
Fantastic support.
It was also billed as a defend the right to strike rally, so gteat to see other trade unions represented there too. |
Fair play, that's good support. I chickened out of joining colleagues on the picket line today, but I did cancel going in, so as to not cross it, and then went for an extra long walk on the beach/cliffs at lunchtime to learn 'em a lesson! But apart from that I worked and felt a bit scabby.
Striking is not an easy decision to make if you're not in a union. It's legal, but unfamiliar. 'Union types' have put me off the unions to be honest. Ironically, at our place the people who are most vocal in the unions are the exact reason why you should join a union. Most are complete arses to their staff.
So in short, I'm still toying with whether to join in. I probably should, just to support the younger colleagues who are going to get hammered by the pension changes in higher education, never mind the 7%+ real terms pay cut this year. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 19:29]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 19:26 - Feb 1 with 1432 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:57 - Feb 1 by Whos_blue |
I'm not a teacher, but a family member is.
I was proud to join them on their rally in Cambridge today.
Fantastic support.
It was also billed as a defend the right to strike rally, so gteat to see other trade unions represented there too. |
As a retired member of a civil service union, I had hoped to go up to London to show support for the day of action, which I think may have also involved other trade unions, but the rail strike prevented me.
By the way, I always honk my car when I drive past a picket line, such as outside the station or the post office. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 19:28]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 20:14 - Feb 1 with 1376 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:08 - Feb 1 by DJR |
My daughter is a student member of the NEA, which is on strike, and I thought that was the main teaching union.
I can understand headteachers having a separate union (NAHT) but what is the purpose of the NASUWT, and wouldn't it be better if the NASUWT and the NEA merged into one union? |
NASUWT is the only dedicated to teachers.
NEU is affiliated to the TUC, GMB and can represent support staff too. It is also much more politically affiliated and has a sort of pressure group aspect to its operation. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 20:15 - Feb 1 with 1359 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
You mean...
2 days off school for your son in a week due to teachers not being paid sufficiently by the government.
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending due to government legislation.
Sounds to me like you are in agreement with the teachers. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 20:34 - Feb 1 with 1320 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 20:14 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
NASUWT is the only dedicated to teachers.
NEU is affiliated to the TUC, GMB and can represent support staff too. It is also much more politically affiliated and has a sort of pressure group aspect to its operation. |
Is it common for a school to have members from both unions? Or is it the case that individual schools tend to be dominated by one of the unions? If that is the case, and the NEU are more radical, perhaps the NEU tends to be more prominent in the larger towns and cities, and the NASUWT elsewhere.
I'm interested to know because of my daughter but if it were me, I'd generally prefer a more radical union. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 20:38]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 21:03 - Feb 1 with 1285 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 20:34 - Feb 1 by DJR |
Is it common for a school to have members from both unions? Or is it the case that individual schools tend to be dominated by one of the unions? If that is the case, and the NEU are more radical, perhaps the NEU tends to be more prominent in the larger towns and cities, and the NASUWT elsewhere.
I'm interested to know because of my daughter but if it were me, I'd generally prefer a more radical union. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 20:38]
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Entirely depends, most just join one for free as a trainee and go with them.
Our place is split, but many left NEU. Depends who the reps are, what the management is like and loads of other factors.
I'm not sure how much geography differs, but I know NASUWT was lacking for votes down South for example. Probably best your daughter either looks at both websites and decides which one aligns with her most, see what the school she gets a job in is like.
As for "radical" it was me and NASUWT that took on certain issues at our place, NEU didn't join us so it entirely depends on who is active at local level in my experience. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 21:16 - Feb 1 with 1275 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 21:03 - Feb 1 by Mullet |
Entirely depends, most just join one for free as a trainee and go with them.
Our place is split, but many left NEU. Depends who the reps are, what the management is like and loads of other factors.
I'm not sure how much geography differs, but I know NASUWT was lacking for votes down South for example. Probably best your daughter either looks at both websites and decides which one aligns with her most, see what the school she gets a job in is like.
As for "radical" it was me and NASUWT that took on certain issues at our place, NEU didn't join us so it entirely depends on who is active at local level in my experience. |
Many thanks for the advice. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 21:16]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 21:20 - Feb 1 with 1251 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 21:16 - Feb 1 by DJR |
Many thanks for the advice. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 21:16]
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Any time, hope she can get a good start to her ECT year too | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 21:33 - Feb 1 with 1233 views | BlueBadger |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:52 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
No. That's what the wife's for
Oh and I'm at work myself. |
Surely the only people paid to be mucking about on here doing nothing actually valuable are Phil and Gav? | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 21:38 - Feb 1 with 1223 views | factual_blue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 by meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. |
Your only school was the school of hard knocks, wasn't it? | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 22:06 - Feb 1 with 1187 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 18:48 - Feb 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep. This will come to a shock to those who think teachers are only in the profession for the holidays (so Daily Mail readers), but many (all those I know) genuinely only do it because they want to make a difference to young people’s lives. That’s not a big sample course, and most is us have suffered bad teachers, but I went to a teacher training college and so have several good friends who teach, and the father/mother in law we’re teachers too. Stupidly dedicated some of them. It’s going back a couple of decades now, but my father in law used to go into school during the holidays to sort out the building improvements; and I mean to actually do them, not just organise contractors (they couldn’t afford those). Tiling, painting, plumbing, etc., he would do it himself. He’s nicely nuts though, so that was probably an exception and it wouldn’t be allowed today. |
My parents were both teachers....lived and breathed it. My father who ended up a headmaster but was an English teacher took no greater pleasure than seeing a student write something from the heart regardless of spelling and punctuation. He also did lots of school D.I.Y. in the Summer holidays. |  |
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