| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) 10:40 - Feb 1 with 8696 views | BlueBadger |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:15 - Feb 1 with 1450 views | clive_baker |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:47 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Thanks Badger. Hearing of and reading lots of things trying to paint teachers in a greedy and lazy light. The best thing to ask those doing so is "why aren't you doing it then?"
I like the quote below: "A huge element is the fact that we have to protect the education sector and the teaching profession going forward. We have to do something about it, otherwise nobody will want to become a teacher."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/teacher-strikes-to-begin-and-this-school-i |
So greedy not being happy with your real term pay decrease of -20% since 2010. Won't you think of the children and get back to the classroom? |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:15 - Feb 1 with 1443 views | BlueNomad |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:22 - Feb 1 by Ewan_Oozami |
That is not teachers sending out those letters, it is the school hierarchy - and if your kids' school is an academy, it will be more interested in making money in any way it can in preference to educating your children.. |
Even academies don’t collect the money |  | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:15 - Feb 1 with 1444 views | BlueBadger |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:14 - Feb 1 by mo_itfc |
If you have an ill child, then the absense is justified. You're not getting fined for illness.
You're either trolling or a moron. |
It doesn't need to be an either/or here... | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:16 - Feb 1 with 1435 views | Fixed_It |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 12:33 - Feb 1 by Guthrum |
The biggest issue is going to be running out of teachers, as they are leaving in droves (including the newly qualified), as much, if not more, due to the workload and lack of support than the wages. |
Totally this. As a fairly recently retired teacher of well over 30 years service, absolutely no way could I be tempted back to help with the shortage. I used to love the job, but the erosion of pay and conditions (especially the latter) made the job almost impossible towards the end. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:19 - Feb 1 with 1419 views | clive_baker |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 12:33 - Feb 1 by Guthrum |
The biggest issue is going to be running out of teachers, as they are leaving in droves (including the newly qualified), as much, if not more, due to the workload and lack of support than the wages. |
They're increasingly asked for more in return for less. It's not a sustainable formula. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:23 - Feb 1 with 1406 views | buoyant |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
You've had children?! |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:27 - Feb 1 with 1400 views | nodge_blue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 12:45 - Feb 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
She should not be taking the class unless she normally would do. If she is in a union she should report the fact that she was asked to and have refused to do so. No union member should be covering an absence due to strike action. I am unsure whether someone who is not in a union may do so. Anyone not in a union has the right to join one. |
She's not in the union and has been told she has to go into school today even though her teacher isn't there. I'll ask her tonight exactly what she had to do over and above normal.
I think teaching is a pretty thankless task these days and demands of parents and school paperwork is too much.
But I think what she has to do on minimum wage, teaching, looking after special needs kids and report filling is ridiculous. She comes home exhausted most nights. And they don't get a mention in comparison to teachers. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:00 - Feb 1 with 1349 views | Vaughan8 |
The school my son is at, it seems some classes are on, and some are not depending on the teachers who are striking.
Why would only roughly half of the teachers be striking? Different unions or just personal choice?
Not a dig, just interested as to why |  | | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:18 - Feb 1 with 1313 views | StokieBlue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
Surely this is an opportunity?
A man of your debating prowess could teach them a lot over those two days with respect to how to make points clearly and coherently.
Valuable skills in our modern world.
SB [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 14:23]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:24 - Feb 1 with 1301 views | MattinLondon |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:00 - Feb 1 by Vaughan8 |
The school my son is at, it seems some classes are on, and some are not depending on the teachers who are striking.
Why would only roughly half of the teachers be striking? Different unions or just personal choice?
Not a dig, just interested as to why |
Different unions - I think one didn’t meet the threshold for industrial action to be implemented. |  | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:30 - Feb 1 with 1290 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:24 - Feb 1 by MattinLondon |
Different unions - I think one didn’t meet the threshold for industrial action to be implemented. |
Whilst different unions may play some part, I imagine it is more a case of personal choice.
My daughter is currently on a placement in a primary school in Kent, and I think only one teacher plans to strike, despite the teachers (as opposed to the head teacher) being members of the same union.
Rather like the NHS strikes, where certain areas of the country were less affected, I thinks it's a case of the further south and east you go in the country (London and Brighton apart), the less likely union members are to strike.
You don't get many lefties in the Home Counties, and a significant proportion of teachers have high-earning partners which means pay is less of an issue. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 17:33]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:35 - Feb 1 with 1281 views | itfcjoe |
It's funny when you see teaching described as this doddle with massive holidays and great earnings and pensions that the country is crying out for them. The job should be oversubscribed judging by how great it is according to the right wing press |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:47 - Feb 1 with 1250 views | hype313 |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:35 - Feb 1 by itfcjoe |
It's funny when you see teaching described as this doddle with massive holidays and great earnings and pensions that the country is crying out for them. The job should be oversubscribed judging by how great it is according to the right wing press |
My Sister and Mum are teachers (Mum recently retired) and can say hand on heart, no amount of money would tempt me to do that job, my sister just moved to St Joe's from State sector and is finding it more palatable, shall we say. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:52 - Feb 1 with 1239 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 13:14 - Feb 1 by BlueBadger |
Shouldn't you be looking after your kids then, rather than sharing your next 48 hot takes on here then? |
No. That's what the wife's for
Oh and I'm at work myself. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:55 - Feb 1 with 1229 views | DJR |
My daughter is currently doing her twelve week, final year placement in a primary school.
She has worked solidly evenings and weekends, and even for most of the Christmas holiday, with not much other than breaks for meals.
Add to that-
(a) a challenging school,
(b) pupils many of whom are not interested in learning and who are at least a year or two below what they should be in terms of ability, maturity and behaviour largely as a result of Covid, but also because they did not have a teacher for much of last year, and
(c) recruitment issues which means that it is not clear that her class teacher (from whom she is supposed to learn) is actually a teacher,
and she is seriously considering whether she has chosen the right profession.
The galling thing is that her salary if she gets a job will be less than someone she knows who took a six months' personal assistant course after school and now works up in London, with no work or worries after she leaves work for the evening. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 16:54]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 15:25 - Feb 1 with 1197 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 14:55 - Feb 1 by DJR |
My daughter is currently doing her twelve week, final year placement in a primary school.
She has worked solidly evenings and weekends, and even for most of the Christmas holiday, with not much other than breaks for meals.
Add to that-
(a) a challenging school,
(b) pupils many of whom are not interested in learning and who are at least a year or two below what they should be in terms of ability, maturity and behaviour largely as a result of Covid, but also because they did not have a teacher for much of last year, and
(c) recruitment issues which means that it is not clear that her class teacher (from whom she is supposed to learn) is actually a teacher,
and she is seriously considering whether she has chosen the right profession.
The galling thing is that her salary if she gets a job will be less than someone she knows who took a six months' personal assistant course after school and now works up in London, with no work or worries after she leaves work for the evening. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 16:54]
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Out of interest. What's the expectation regarding teacher salary.
In this region the average says £39000.. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 15:45 - Feb 1 with 1139 views | noggin |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 by meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. |
FFS! Trolling surely. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 16:05 - Feb 1 with 1095 views | jaykay |
you do realise giving a bit more to nurses teachers will fuel inflation . electricity , food prices,
petrol prices , hospitality will all go up. oh wait |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 16:52 - Feb 1 with 1039 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 15:25 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Out of interest. What's the expectation regarding teacher salary.
In this region the average says £39000.. |
I would imagine the average salary is boosted by the salaries of older teachers whose pay before 2010 progressed much more quickly.
Outside London, the starting salary for a teacher is £28,000, but the way things have been going on pay since 2010, I think my daughter will be lucky if her starting salary ever increases in real terms. | | | |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:01 - Feb 1 with 1023 views | DJR |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 12:24 - Feb 1 by nodge_blue |
Im a bit on the fence with this.
My partner as a teacher assistant on a third of the teachers pay is now in today having to take the class instead of the absent teacher. |
My daughter, who is a trainee teacher on a placement in her final University year, took the class today in the absence of the teacher, who couldn't get to work because of the rail strike.
Private schools, free schools and academies aren't required to use qualified teachers.
As it turned out, she really enjoyed it, and the class learned much more than it usually does under the supposed teacher. [Post edited 1 Feb 2023 17:02]
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:29 - Feb 1 with 1008 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 10:48 - Feb 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes thanks
2 days off school for my son in a week due to teachers being off
Yet you have an ill child and you get threatened with fines for them not attending. |
This is a lie.
It's nothing to do with teachers.
Remove it. |  |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:34 - Feb 1 with 1006 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:17 - Feb 1 by meekreech |
I would like to know what advice career teachers are giving to students .
It appears to me that they have to offer the following choices for careers.
First option is a job with more strikes so that very little work actually happens and the rest of economy is allowed to stagnate.
The second option is a job that does not spend time striking allowing more work to be performed and the economy to improve.
Services funded from the public purse should have the right to strike removed as in the long run it is not just inconvenient for the public but also potentially harmful in many ways. |
Teachers don't tend to give career advice. That role in most schools is done by a dedicated professional.
This is the first time there has been a national strike since when? If you were correct there would be regular strikes and no acceptance of a real terms pay cut for the last 10+ years.
The second option has seen real term pay rises numerous times in that period and is too diffuse to measure accurately as the private sector can adjust budgets, staffing levels etc much more nimbly and to suit their business strategy.
You seem to understand how severe things must be for strikes to occur across numerous professions, yet blame the wrong people and absolve those responsible.
Perhaps you can explain what public servants should do after all that has happened in the past 10+ years, the pandemic and the resultant problems faced since under this government? | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:39 - Feb 1 with 999 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 11:44 - Feb 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Those bl00dy smarmy teachers!
On the radio they just said 1/3 of teachers leave the profession within 5 years. That’s insane. |
Retention is barely half the battle, recruitment figures are way below target in every area. Even the old days of stacking school full of young and cheap staff has worn so thin it's reached breaking point.
The levels of assault, defiance, litigation, entitlement etc is beyond comprehension for most people. It is driven by parents who are fed a media diet of propaganda denigrating teachers, education and blaming numerous scapegoats for their ills.
The knock on effect it has on behaviour and damage it does to the education of families who value school is criminal quite frankly and this is driven in part by the damage of marketisation and apply business nonsense to education. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:42 - Feb 1 with 985 views | Mullet |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 12:24 - Feb 1 by nodge_blue |
Im a bit on the fence with this.
My partner as a teacher assistant on a third of the teachers pay is now in today having to take the class instead of the absent teacher. |
Teaching assistants are criminally underpaid and always will be as long as it remains a job where degrees aren't required, term time only means it attracts women with childcare responsibilities.
Hopefully your Mrs works in a place where she is appreciated by teachers at least. Leadership should not be pressuring support staff to cover ideally either. | |
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| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 17:43 - Feb 1 with 976 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Solidarity with my teaching and education chums (n/t) on 16:52 - Feb 1 by DJR |
I would imagine the average salary is boosted by the salaries of older teachers whose pay before 2010 progressed much more quickly.
Outside London, the starting salary for a teacher is £28,000, but the way things have been going on pay since 2010, I think my daughter will be lucky if her starting salary ever increases in real terms. |
Many teachers work part time and this is the full time salary quoted. A significant chunk of that is then taken back as pension contributions for the supposedly gold-plated pension that the Government has slashed in recent years too. Of course, we don't have to join the pension scheme but you would be daft not to make provision for your retirement.
I hope your daughter sticks it out and does well. It is a superb and highly rewarding profession and the contribution that teachers make to the lives of so many is far beyond what we can possibly ever realise. It is truly sad that so many good people are being driven away from it. This is exactly why I am out today. |  |
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