| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate 09:26 - Feb 15 with 20106 views | tractordownsouth |
Big choice for momentum now if he contests the election as an independent. Their MPs are mostly from the newer intakes and they won’t want to give up their jobs to campaign for Corbyn against a Labour candidate, but having alienated the moderate factions they need his base on board. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 9:28]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:17 - Feb 16 with 1364 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 17:56 - Feb 16 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Higher taxation is the only option and politicians of all colours need to be honest on that.
The “party of fiscal responsibility” have stretched national debt to record level v GDP, presided over sovereign rating downgrades making borrowing more expensive, all while degrading public services. Any further borrowing without a credible plan to pay it back is just goi g to further erode sterling and increase debt repayments. I suspect they arent too displeased with current inflation eroding the debt.
But corporations need to pay their fair share and without more global cooperation that’s not going to happen - there are too many legitimate mechanisms to move capital offshore to the likes of Ireland, Cayman Islands etc. |
All makes sense to me, including needing international cooperation to get more tax out of corporates.
I wish I could remember where I read it, but ages back there was some interesting report about how on the personal front, wealth taxes (even one offs) could help hugely too. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:20 - Feb 16 with 1362 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:13 - Feb 16 by Clapham_Junction |
But the problem is how they did it — specifically using PfI. This one of several long-term legacies of New Labour that is pretty awful - the organisation I work for is still tied into several eye-watering PfI contracts from that era.
It was quite clear under the last Labour leader that most of the New Labour mistakes not be repeated, but the current leadership is concerning to say the least. Housing is an area I have a particular interest in, and currently it's a policy vacuum (the shadow minister refused to answer questions I asked about whether Labour was still committed to abolishing RTB), and is worryingly being dominated by people like my local CLP chair who is effectively paid for by his property developer employers to campaign in their interests (he is one of the few non-Tories I have ever come across who seems to be actively opposed to council housing). |
pfi isn't the way that the labour govt improved the nhs. i'd argue that it was the only way they didn't. the massive investment in public health was the key, as well as training and rewarding nurses.
these are the things that the tories have tried to reverse and these have led to the crisis in staff morale, massive vacancies and health inequalities are back on the rise. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:21 - Feb 16 with 1359 views | positivity |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:17 - Feb 16 by giant_stow |
All makes sense to me, including needing international cooperation to get more tax out of corporates.
I wish I could remember where I read it, but ages back there was some interesting report about how on the personal front, wealth taxes (even one offs) could help hugely too. |
a proper windfall tax on profiteering fossil fuel companies would help | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:28 - Feb 16 with 1331 views | Mullet |
Good. He's yesterday's man and only going to be an albatross to Labour which does nothing but help the Tories.
It's a shame he was a poor leader and politician as he was far more suited to bringing the whackadoodles in line and getting them behind someone competent.
The worst part is how long and how slowly it will take to unpick the Tory mess now, the social fabric of Britain is so damaged I wonder if it'll be my kids and beyond who will really live through any redress rather than me. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 20:29 - Feb 16 with 1240 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:13 - Feb 16 by Clapham_Junction |
But the problem is how they did it — specifically using PfI. This one of several long-term legacies of New Labour that is pretty awful - the organisation I work for is still tied into several eye-watering PfI contracts from that era.
It was quite clear under the last Labour leader that most of the New Labour mistakes not be repeated, but the current leadership is concerning to say the least. Housing is an area I have a particular interest in, and currently it's a policy vacuum (the shadow minister refused to answer questions I asked about whether Labour was still committed to abolishing RTB), and is worryingly being dominated by people like my local CLP chair who is effectively paid for by his property developer employers to campaign in their interests (he is one of the few non-Tories I have ever come across who seems to be actively opposed to council housing). |
This, this and this again but at least we can watch Starmer bestriding the World like a great colossus today. We are being mugged! |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 20:54 - Feb 16 with 1213 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 18:07 - Feb 15 by positivity |
corbyn's policies weren't that left wing.
if he was even halfway decent as a leader and wasn't encumbered by his baggage, he'd have done much better.
shame that the left of the party hasn't had a natural leader for so long (since benn?) |
Actually, I think John McDonnell, my favourite politician, could have been that person, but the time has passed.
He was the brains behind Corbynism, the economic policies of which were much more sound than the media portrayed them.
I also think he came across well as a media performer, something I think Corbyn was very bad at. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 20:55]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:10 - Feb 16 with 1172 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 20:54 - Feb 16 by DJR |
Actually, I think John McDonnell, my favourite politician, could have been that person, but the time has passed.
He was the brains behind Corbynism, the economic policies of which were much more sound than the media portrayed them.
I also think he came across well as a media performer, something I think Corbyn was very bad at. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 20:55]
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"He was the brains behind Corbynism"
i know the competition was poor but christ almighty. on this basis i'm guessing that len mccluskey was the sex appeal. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:14 - Feb 16 with 1142 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 20:54 - Feb 16 by DJR |
Actually, I think John McDonnell, my favourite politician, could have been that person, but the time has passed.
He was the brains behind Corbynism, the economic policies of which were much more sound than the media portrayed them.
I also think he came across well as a media performer, something I think Corbyn was very bad at. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 20:55]
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Ah, the quartermaster.
If a Tory had used the vile misogynist remarks about a female Labour MP that McDonnell did about Esther McVey, you and others on the left would be demanding they were prosecuted and kicked out of politics. |  |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:18 - Feb 16 with 1116 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:10 - Feb 16 by lowhouseblue |
"He was the brains behind Corbynism"
i know the competition was poor but christ almighty. on this basis i'm guessing that len mccluskey was the sex appeal. |
I'm pretty sure your views were formed by the media. Can you ever remember any media story complimentary about Corybn or his policies?
At the end of the day, Corbyn's policies were merely a partial return to the social democracy that prevailed in the UK until 1979, and are common in most successful western European countries.
Anyway, I imagine you must be very pleased how thing have turned out these last 13 years. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 21:18]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:21 - Feb 16 with 1096 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:18 - Feb 16 by DJR |
I'm pretty sure your views were formed by the media. Can you ever remember any media story complimentary about Corybn or his policies?
At the end of the day, Corbyn's policies were merely a partial return to the social democracy that prevailed in the UK until 1979, and are common in most successful western European countries.
Anyway, I imagine you must be very pleased how thing have turned out these last 13 years. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 21:18]
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I think Lowhouse’ views were formed by being a lifelong active member of the Labour Party and not by the media. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:21 - Feb 16 with 1096 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:14 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Ah, the quartermaster.
If a Tory had used the vile misogynist remarks about a female Labour MP that McDonnell did about Esther McVey, you and others on the left would be demanding they were prosecuted and kicked out of politics. |
yeah but, no but.
have you noticed that none of his defenders want to comment on his closest political ally describing corbyn in 2016 as "in his heart of hearts a Brexiteer"? people who defended him to the hilt and who also consider brexit to be the greatest disaster in a generation are almost the definition of congnitive dissonance. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:24 - Feb 16 with 1078 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:18 - Feb 16 by DJR |
I'm pretty sure your views were formed by the media. Can you ever remember any media story complimentary about Corybn or his policies?
At the end of the day, Corbyn's policies were merely a partial return to the social democracy that prevailed in the UK until 1979, and are common in most successful western European countries.
Anyway, I imagine you must be very pleased how thing have turned out these last 13 years. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 21:18]
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hmmm, your views are formed by intellect and independent research and anyone who disagrees with you is a product of the media. well done you. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:26 - Feb 16 with 1059 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:21 - Feb 16 by lowhouseblue |
yeah but, no but.
have you noticed that none of his defenders want to comment on his closest political ally describing corbyn in 2016 as "in his heart of hearts a Brexiteer"? people who defended him to the hilt and who also consider brexit to be the greatest disaster in a generation are almost the definition of congnitive dissonance. |
I just like him that little bit more now. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:27 - Feb 16 with 1057 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:21 - Feb 16 by lowhouseblue |
yeah but, no but.
have you noticed that none of his defenders want to comment on his closest political ally describing corbyn in 2016 as "in his heart of hearts a Brexiteer"? people who defended him to the hilt and who also consider brexit to be the greatest disaster in a generation are almost the definition of congnitive dissonance. |
Not sure how they reconcile it with their “all brexiters are thick racists” comments. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:28 - Feb 16 with 1045 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:21 - Feb 16 by lowhouseblue |
yeah but, no but.
have you noticed that none of his defenders want to comment on his closest political ally describing corbyn in 2016 as "in his heart of hearts a Brexiteer"? people who defended him to the hilt and who also consider brexit to be the greatest disaster in a generation are almost the definition of congnitive dissonance. |
Your political love in with GB is our national politics on a football forum. A beautiful thing. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:35 - Feb 16 with 1029 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:14 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Ah, the quartermaster.
If a Tory had used the vile misogynist remarks about a female Labour MP that McDonnell did about Esther McVey, you and others on the left would be demanding they were prosecuted and kicked out of politics. |
To be honest, I believe in free speech and am not someone who has knee-jerk reactions to what people say, particularly as they are often taken out of context.
Looking at the particular instance you mention, it appears to have been made at a comedy evening. I suppose if you were to ignore that context, you could say the remarks were insensitive but I struggle to see how they are misogynistic.
In any event, knee-jerk reactions are equally common amongst people like you and others on the right. And your point backfires because those on the right did in fact react in a way that you condemn as regards those on the left. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 21:37]
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:38 - Feb 16 with 1019 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:35 - Feb 16 by DJR |
To be honest, I believe in free speech and am not someone who has knee-jerk reactions to what people say, particularly as they are often taken out of context.
Looking at the particular instance you mention, it appears to have been made at a comedy evening. I suppose if you were to ignore that context, you could say the remarks were insensitive but I struggle to see how they are misogynistic.
In any event, knee-jerk reactions are equally common amongst people like you and others on the right. And your point backfires because those on the right did in fact react in a way that you condemn as regards those on the left. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 21:37]
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So that’s a tick for his misogynistic incitement to violence.
Next up. His support for the IRA when they were blowing up kids outside of McDonalds? | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:44 - Feb 16 with 1008 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:27 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Not sure how they reconcile it with their “all brexiters are thick racists” comments. |
Well that ties quite well with Corbyn… | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:45 - Feb 16 with 1008 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:24 - Feb 16 by lowhouseblue |
hmmm, your views are formed by intellect and independent research and anyone who disagrees with you is a product of the media. well done you. |
Are you saying that large parts of the media don't have an agenda and don't have an influence on people's views?
If that was the case, why do papers like the Mail, Express, Times and Telegraph take the line they do? | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:51 - Feb 16 with 965 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:45 - Feb 16 by DJR |
Are you saying that large parts of the media don't have an agenda and don't have an influence on people's views?
If that was the case, why do papers like the Mail, Express, Times and Telegraph take the line they do? |
sorry i clearly wasn't clear enough. accusing people who disagree with you of doing so because their "views are formed by the media" is a little bit blinkered and arrogant. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:59 - Feb 16 with 928 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:51 - Feb 16 by lowhouseblue |
sorry i clearly wasn't clear enough. accusing people who disagree with you of doing so because their "views are formed by the media" is a little bit blinkered and arrogant. |
Sadly though it is often true, but I accept that it may not be in your case, so apologies for any offence. I think I was just reacting to the tone of your post, which suggests you can give as good as you take. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:01 - Feb 16 with 911 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:59 - Feb 16 by DJR |
Sadly though it is often true, but I accept that it may not be in your case, so apologies for any offence. I think I was just reacting to the tone of your post, which suggests you can give as good as you take. |
thank you and indeed. ;-) | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:10 - Feb 16 with 882 views | DJR |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 21:38 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
So that’s a tick for his misogynistic incitement to violence.
Next up. His support for the IRA when they were blowing up kids outside of McDonalds? |
I've no doubt you've got a dossier on John McDonnell, and have aired points like this many times before on the board, but nothing you say is going to change my views on him. | | | |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:14 - Feb 16 with 867 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:10 - Feb 16 by DJR |
I've no doubt you've got a dossier on John McDonnell, and have aired points like this many times before on the board, but nothing you say is going to change my views on him. |
So joking about hanging a female MP and supporting the IRA diesnt change your admiration for John McDonnell?
Blimey. | |
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| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:26 - Feb 16 with 839 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn not standing as a Labour candidate on 22:14 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
So joking about hanging a female MP and supporting the IRA diesnt change your admiration for John McDonnell?
Blimey. |
1916, Cromwell....up the RA! What is the time limit on moral outrage? Fan of Rangers too aren't you.
Imagine there being 2 sides in an armed conflict. I guess at the end of the day it's all about where your sympathies lie. | |
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